this should really be useful for all those people who believe that the Bible is an original book dictated by God to Moses on Mt Sinai
the dates of all the various books have been discussed for quite some time and not one is as old as is claimed by any religious source
GENESIS Compiled from several oral traditions, Possibly by Ezra
J source 950 BCE
E source 750 BCE
P source 539
EXODUS J,E,P,D sources As above
LEVITICUS P source As above
NUMBERS J, E, P source As above
DEUTERONOMY D source 800 BCE?
JOSHUA Several 587 BCE
JUDGES Several + editor, some 8th and 9th Century BCE sources 6th Century BCE
RUTH Unknown as late as 3rd Cent BCE
1 SAMUEL Several + Editor Compiled around 560 BCE (some argue for 610)
2 SAMUEL As above As above
1 KINGS Unknown ca 560 BCE
2 KINGS As above As above
1 CHRONICLES Unknown ca 400 BCE
2 CHRONICLES Unknown early 4th century BCE
EZRA Ezra possibly early 4th century BCE
NEHEMIAH NEHEMIAH 4th century BCE
ESTHER Unknown 125 BCE
JOB Unknown 3rd-6th Century BCE
PSALMS Several before 586 BCE
PROVERBS Several 8th century BCE or later
ECCLESIATES Unknown 3rd Century BCE
SONG OF SOLOMON Unknown Unknown
ISAIAH (ch 1-39) Isaiah 6-7th Century BCE
Others 200-300 years later
JEREMIAH Jeremiah 626-586 BCE
Others 626-586 BCE
Editor 626-586 BCE
LAMENTATIONS Jeremiah (?) 597 BCE
EZEKIEL Ezekiel + others after 597 BCE
DANIEL Unknown between 167-164 BCE
HOSEA Hosea 745 B.C.E
JOEL Joel 1st Half of 4th Century BCE
AMOS Amos 750 BCE
OBADIAH Obadiah after 586 BCE5th Century
JONAH Jonah (not the guy in the story) 5th Cen BCE
MICAH Micah et al 6th or Early 5th Cen BCE
NAHUM Nahum, et al Early 5th Century
HABAKKUK Habakkuk Early 5th Century
ZEPHANIAH Zephaniah 612-640 BCE
HAGGAI Haggai 520 BCE
ZECHARIAH Zechariah 518 BCE
MALACHI Unknown 450 BCE
as you can see not one of the books are older than 1000bce
here you can see the development of just two of those stories that most people think are only biblical stories which in both cases have their origins
in another culture and an earlier religion
Here is the King James Version of a certain passage from:-
5Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof
6Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
And here is the original version from the Hebrew bible
5 The shades tremble beneath the waters and the inhabitants thereof.
6 The nether world is naked before Him, and Destruction hath no covering.
There was a translation of this passage in 1922 by Dr James Moffat who was an advocate of the “Atlantis is real” theory like so many other
scholars of his time
"The Titans tremble beneath the waters and the inhabitants thereof. Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering."
which in view of the Babylonian version which came to light later is completely untenable when you compare it to the Babylonian version which contains
this passage which is so obviously the original
5. He sent a storm wind to the horizon;
To the breast of the earth it bore a blast
Into the depth of his ocean the disembodied spirit vanished
Unnumbered spirits he sent back to the under-world.
The................of the hag-demons he sent straight to the mountain.
So the book of Job is clearly based on the Babylonian version which dates from 1700bce which is 200 years before the claim of the writing lesson on mt
sinai and the existence of Moses, which now seems to be a plot piece to avoid claims of plagiarism as in
"we didn't steal it God did"
and this extract compares the story of Noah with an extract taken from the epic of Gilgamesh whicxh predates the biblical version by 1500 years and
the claimed existence of Moses by 1000 years
When a seventh day arrived
I sent forth a dove and released it.
The dove went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.
8 And he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground. 9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of
her foot, and she returned unto him to the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth
I sent forth a raven and released it.
The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.
7 And he sent forth a raven, and it went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth
Even the wording is unchanged, he sent forth a bird, then sent forth another bird, the only thing that is markedly different between these two stories
is the ending where YHWH proclaims to Noah:-
“I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite
any more every thing living, as I have done”
The reason for this difference comes down to the timing of the individual stories creation. The first was written after Enlil had fallen from favour
as the head of the mesopotamian pantheon. The world was now under the protection of Enki who had never sent a flood and had actively participated in
lessening the effects of the first one whereas the Noah story was written at a time when early Judaism desperately needed something to believe in and
wanted to keep that belief as a way forward.
In other words YHWH was a keeper and Enlil had already been discarded.
Funnily enough neither story mentions ducks. If there had really been an actual global deluge then by now ducks would be the dominant species on this
planet. They’re just about the only creature that isn’t affected by rainfall and really isn’t bothered by how high the water rises. You
couldn’t plan a global devastation intending to blot out man from the face of the earth and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air without
planning for ducks could you. Does this mean that God loves ducks more than mankind? Or are they creatures of Satan over which he has no control. Just
why do ducks get such favourable treatment when it comes to global floods
probably because when someone puts together a tool of mass control they can't alway allow for people who know the truth coming forward and saying
"hey wait a minute" you forgot something. they used to allow for that by calling those sorts of people Heretics and burning them alive. apparently
there were 150,000,000 Heretics living in south america when the spanish bought Gods word to them. a few years later this ceased to be the case
there is no possibility of an oral history being the reasoning behind these similarities as the Hebrews did not exist at the time that either of these
two texts were originally written who compiled it in their own book changing the names to suit their purpose, which at that time was simply to make it
more valid to the audience reading it. this happens with all stories from religious texts to Cinderella
its not quite chinese whispers
its a deliberate changing os small details to make it more culturally relevant
to make it a more interesting story.
even hollywood does this. how many of you saw pearl harbour and watched a lone american pilot win first the battle of britain and then the air war in
that didn't actually happen that way you know.
but it didn't spoil the action did it
there are two strong possibilities for the dissemation of this knowledge to the Hebrews
the first is Ashurbanipal a king of Assyria
During his rule, Assyrian splendour was not only visible in its military power, but also its culture and art. Ashurbanipal created "the first
systematically collected library" at Nineveh, where he attempted to gather all cuneiform literature available by that time
Ashurbanipal had slaves who he used as Librarians. they were semitic hebrews. it was their job to translate ancient texts into Babylonian and Assyrian
so that anyone could read them
the second is the Babylonian captivity
The Babylonian captivity, or Babylonian exile, is the name generally given to the deportation and exile of the Jews of the ancient Kingdom of
Judah to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar
at this point it is believed by most biblical scholars that the bible was actually compiled. It was put together by a race who had been totally
enslaved by another as a means to give them hope.
it worked well didn't it
theres a new book out which covers this in much more detail if anyones interested
see this really gets to the heart of the subject of this forum
the origins of the bible which is a book written in the ancient world has really been a mystery because its been covered and hidden by the religions
keeping its origins a secret so that they can retain power
but its origins lie in the ancient civilisations that are now mysteries to anyone who doesnt study them
so you can if you like folow what you were taught in church and continue to believe that God did it all
or you could look into it yourself a little with an open mind and find the truth, which is that our species is responsible for everything you see
around you and everything that has ever been written
we are the gods
the truth does as they say set you free
and who knows
maybe you might find the truth about a few other mysteries along the way
[edit on 30-3-2007 by Marduk]
[edit on 30-3-2007 by Marduk]