Will Milosevic be re-elected?

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No good deed goes unpunished.

WTF wow!!
Red Neck friend of mine says the USA should give him a medal for killing muslims.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
WTF wow!!
Red Neck friend of mine says the USA should give him a medal for killing muslims.

this comment is about as ignorant as his friends comment.



birds of a feather...

"well i'll just call him a redneck, yeah that'll make me look defiant against his brand of ignorance by showing my own brand of ignorance. i am so clever!"

most amusing post in a month! thank you, no really.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
WTF wow!!
Red Neck friend of mine says the USA should give him a medal for killing muslims.

this comment is about as ignorant as his friends comment.

birds of a feather...

"well i'll just call him a redneck, yeah that'll make me look defiant against his brand of ignorance by showing my own brand of ignorance. i am so clever!"

most amusing post in a month! thank you, no really.

Wow your welcome. I got more redneck stories. You wouldn't believe the stuff he does. He buries everything from his guns to car batteries I could u2u some of the stuff it's really funny.

you two have more in common than you realize...seriously.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
you two have more in common than you realize...seriously.

Well of course or I wouldn't hang out with him. He loves guns so do I. Plus he is a great friend. He rags on me all the time about being a liberal. I always break his George W. Bush dolls and re-glue his head on his ass. That�s cost me at least 100 bucks over the last 3 years but it�s funny.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
you two have more in common than you realize...seriously.

Well of course or I wouldn't hang out with him. He loves guns so do I. Plus he is a great friend. He rags on me all the time about being a liberal. I always break his George W. Bush dolls and re-glue his head on his ass. That�s cost me at least 100 bucks over the last 3 years but it�s funny.

so you admit to hanging around with a guy who buries car batteries, loves guns, is a redneck (quoting you) and collects dolls.

i see! (please dont tell us anything about you, i'm deathly afraid of what you'll say about yourself if you're saying these revealing things about your friend)

time to end this thread...

so you admit to hanging around with a guy who buries car batteries, loves guns, is a redneck (quoting you) and collects dolls.

i see! (please dont tell us anything about you, i'm deathly afraid of what you'll say about yourself if you're saying these revealing things about your friend)

time to end this thread...

Jesus what did I ever do to you? Lot's of people collect dolls of their favorite presidents. I�m not ashamed of calling him a friend, because he is. I don�t really have any strange habits, but I do play with a lot of Barbie dolls but only because my 3 year old daughter loves them and wants me to play with her. I don�t like to let her down.

[Edited on 27-12-2003 by DiRtYDeViL]

hmmm.
Upon first glance at the title of this thread, I thought it said:
Will Milosevic be electrocuted?

Seems more appropriate.

BG

in retorspect, the title of the thread is wrong. I don't think he was really elected the first time.

None the less, it is a disturbing trend. The Serbs have ben handed a golden opportunity to shape their future, yet they seem incapable of doing so. Why is this. I am assuming that they are as inteligent as any other group of people. The problem, I fear is that they are so inured and cynical from decades of miserable dictatorship from Tito through Milosevic, that they simply can not grasp the fundamentals of how a democracy is supposed to function.

The thing is, I fear that the same thing will happen in Iraq.

Well PrankyMonkey, Of course, when you see others saying things you disagree with then you decide to bring your very own brand of assinine ignorance to a topic.

How about you remove your head from your ass?

I believe the message was to illustrate the ignorance of a friend.

Birds of a feather flock together eh?
Monkey see, Monkey do.

HowardRoark, I think you are correct.

Unfortunately, sometimes fear, ignorance and hate have the loudest voices.

BG

what was this thread about? rednecks or something?

Originally posted by The General
what was this thread about? rednecks or something?

No, just a redneck hijack attempt.

there are two sides to every story. winning an election seat will add credibility to his.

Originally posted by The General
there are two sides to every story. winning an election seat will add credibility to his.

Please forgive me, I don't understand what you mean. Surely you are not saying that Milosevic is a victim.

Respectfully,
BG

well the news is not all good nor all bad.

Nationalist parties on Sunday looked set to take 41 per cent of the seats in Serbia's parliament as elections gave the country's democratic reformers their biggest losses since forcing Slobodan Milosevic from power in 2000.
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Unofficial results from parliamentary elections in the former Yugoslav republic showed reformists had captured 59 per cent of parliamentary seats, enough to form a broad ruling coalition.

But a strong showing by the ultra-nationalist Radical party of Vojislav Seselj, a war crimes defendant jailed with Mr Milosevic in The Hague, which took 33 per cent of the vote, and Mr Milosevic's Socialists, which took 8 per cent, appeared to have reserved the remaining seats for vociferously anti-western parties.

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I am surpised that this has not caused greater comment.

i'm not taking any position on the issue, but putting this here to illustrate that there is always another side to the story, and what we hear is biased by political interests.

here is another side of the story:

from serbtiger at axis history forum:

forum.axishistory.com...

The war of NATO aggression as it is known in Serbia lasted 78 days.
The operation is referred to as Allied Force by NATO.

For ease of reading I provide a number of sub sections. All data presented is factual and unbiased to the best of my ability present both sides of the conflict.

I assume you are familiar with the event leading to the peace summit in Rambouillet. The Serbian forces were engaged in action against a terrorist organisation (recognised by US as such) know as the KLA, police brutality was common and crimes committed by both sides.
It should be noted that the KLA considered itself a liberation organisation.
To prevent further violance a peace summit war arranged however this would be the catalyst for war.....

Brief Prelude to war

The Rambouillet Accords Appendix B required that all of Serbia not just Kosovo be occupied by NATO not UN troops and that after 3 years Kosovo be given the right to vote for independence. Appendix B is not widely known in the media but it was basically a document of occupation.
This was unacceptable to the Serbian side, the agreement rejected and the war begun.
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Was the war legal?

The war was illegal it is against the UN Charter (as specified by Article 2 and Article 53 which prohibit the use of force against a sovereign state unless there is a Security Council Resolution - which is not granted).
It is against its own, NATO charter (which requires force to be used only when a member of NATO is attacked). This action is also against the 1980 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties which forbids the use of coercion and force to compel any state to sign a treaty or agreement, and it is against the Helsinki Accords Final Act of 1975 which guarantees the territorial frontiers of the states of Europe.
Serbia was not invading a foreign nation but fighting a terrorist organisation recognised as such by the US, and known as the KLA. Although the KLA insists it was a liberation army.

The Serbian police and military are fighting against an internationally recognized terrorist organization, known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), not the Albanian population living in Kosovo. This conflict, due to various factors such as the formation of paramilitary groups, occasionally escalated to jeopardize the lives of civilians on both sides.

Crimes against Humanity

The Serb forces outraged at the bombing of their own nation instated a sense of fear (through violance) into the local Albanian population cause mass exodus of around 500,000 � 800,000 Albanians, this is the biggest crime of the war and Serbia has handed over Milosevic and many other man wanted over this crime.

It should be noted that the amount of crimes was greatly exaggerated in the media it was claimed that 100,000's Albanians were killed, the actual number including combat deaths is much less around 2,000 � 10,000 depending on whom you like to believe but I have not seen any claims greater than 10,000.

Over 500 civilians were killed by NATO bombs.

The KLA committed numerous atrocities against its own Albanian population and Serbian civillians as recognised by the Hague.


END RESULTS OF WAR

Kosovo is now ethnically pure Albanian state. The results was not to bring peace but simply to reverse the ethnic cleansing by ejecting almost the entire Serbian population from the province. Over 100 Serbian churches have been destroyed dating from the middle ages and Serbs live in barbed wire ghettos and enclaves.
The operation is considered a success by NATO and the Western World and is a precedent for future �humanitarian� intervention.
The war is also considered as having some major success in Serbia , since Kosovo was to be administered by the UN not NATO and Kosovo remains the integral part of Serbia, also Serbian troops will be allowed to return to Kosovo.
Most of the Serbian Military strength remains intact however the country was devested especially industry by the bombing and will suffer for the next 20 years.
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I hoped this helps please fell free to ask for clarification on any points raised, details have been left out due to the need for a concise post.

[Edited on 28-12-2003 by The General]