F-35 Lightning II (2) testing and production thread, page 2
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reply posted on 15-6-2007 @ 06:08 AM by RichardPrice
Originally posted by Ghost01

What is your definition of a prototype and how is it any different from having a test plane?

Tim


A prototype is, as you say, the first cut design that is built (in some fashion), but is not simply anything that comes prior to production models.

However, there are large differences between a 'prototype' and 'prototyping' - and the latter is done to a great extent in the development phases as well.

Take the Concorde as an example:

2 Prototype aircraft (MSN001, MSN002)
2 Development aircraft (MSN101, MSN102) - also sometimes referred to as 'pre-production'
2 Pre-production aircraft (MSN201, MSN202) - also sometimes referred to as 'production standard test'

A prototype is a validation of the project design - it will prove that the basic design is sound and worth continuing with. Prototypes invariably get retired very quickly. In this case, the X-35 that won the competition would be classed as prototype

A development aircraft is where the bulk of the design improvement happens - it incorporates any changes made after the prototype and during the development phase. In Concordes case there was a lot of prototyping done on the development aircraft for new systems, resulting in large changes over the cycle.

A pre-production (or production standard test) will validate the development phase, and while it will differ from the development aircraft in sometimes substantial ways, it will not differ substantially from any following production standard.

Indeed, in many cases, pre-production standard aircraft will often be elevated to production standard at some point after the certification is carried out.

Examples of this happening are the A380 (excluding all its difficulties for now please) -

MSN001 is a prototype aircraft and differs from the production standard pretty significantly.

MSN002, 003, 004 and 007 are pre-production standard aircraft and will eventually be refurbished and go to Qatar.

Eurofighter is another project where the development aircraft are actually largely production standard (essentially what are called 98% performance aircraft) and have been by and large increased to production standard and incorporated in production fleets (mainly its the initial deliveyr of two seat trainers).


reply posted on 18-6-2007 @ 08:03 AM by Canada_EH
Well again just some more information from the assembly plant.

Northrop Grumman Corporation has delivered, more than two and one-half months ahead of schedule, the center fuselage for the first F-35 Lightning II static test aircraft, a non-flying, short take-off, vertical landing (STOVL) variant designated BG-1.


Good news in my openion. Anything they can get ahead of time and underbuget or heck even on budget is a great thing. Considering this programe takes so much heat its a good thing that they can still have news like this and the fact that they are open or pretend to be with whats going on. Unlike the A400M as of late which has had very little progress reports. Here is a little bit of further info.

"This delivery, which was 77 days early, demonstrates Northrop Grumman's commitment to helping its F-35 customer produce the most advanced, most formidable multi-role fighter in the world on cost and on schedule," said Janis Pamiljans, vice president of tactical systems and F-35 program manager for Northrop Grumman's Integrated Systems sector. "By streamlining our engineering and production processes during the SDD phase, we're driving down program risks and laying the foundation for a successful and affordable low-rate initial production program

Northrop Grumman's current SDD work share includes producing 21 center fuselages: 15 for flight test aircraft and six for static test aircraft, two for each of three variants. Each static test article delivery will support the final assembly and flight test programs for the corresponding variant.


www.irconnect.com...


reply posted on 27-7-2007 @ 09:59 AM by Canada_EH
Originally posted by Fang
I understand that Rolls Royce are developing an engine for the F-35. Will this be purely for the UK F-35's? How will it differ from Pratt and Whitneys current offering in terms of performance etc.?


Well here is link out lining the main feature and production of the F136 which is the engine that is being developed.

www.rolls-royce.com...

a lil blurb
In 2007, tests will be run on the engine’s fan and low-pressure turbine system, software and controls systems, and the augmentor. These tests will be held at GE facilities in Cincinnati and Peebles, Ohio; and at the Arnold Engineering Center at Tullahoma, Tennessee.

The SDD phase is scheduled to run through 2013; the first production F136 engines are scheduled to be delivered in 2012 for the F-35 Lightning II aircraft. This occurs during the fourth lot of F-35 aircraft production, which is very early in the overall aircraft production program.


some states on the engines.
F136 link: en.wikipedia.org...

F135 link: en.wikipedia.org... (other power system)

Comparisons:
-23,800 lbf (106 kN) for the Harrier's Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine
-39,800 lbf (177 kN) for the F135
-39,950 lbf (178 kN) for the F136

[edit on 22/08/06 by Canada_EH]
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