Originally posted by imitator

how is 'retrieval' possible if every trip creates a new universe? how does his trip benefit anyone back home? i am sure i missed something.

You missed the part where Titor said:

John Titor: The computer units and gravity sensors "record" your trip and you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin


And when Titor returns it would be like:

John Titor: From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected.



[edit on 15-7-2008 by imitator]

re22666
did not miss that. i read it. and unfortunately, that doesnt jive with the string theory this is supposedly all based on right? besides, it doesnt make sense just from his own explanation of a new timeline being created. he said himself that he would never return to his own place and time but 'another' john very similar to him will show up where he left.

re22666
you guys dont even agree with each other on what he said or the science he used. can i get a straight answer without being told -heres what you missed...and then something that contradicts what i apparently missed the last time?

Originally posted by imitator

re22666
did not miss that. i read it. and unfortunately, that doesnt jive with the string theory this is supposedly all based on right? besides, it doesnt make sense just from his own explanation of a new timeline being created. he said himself that he would never return to his own place and time but 'another' john very similar to him will show up where he left.

I think your confounded by his "point of origin." It doesn't literally mean exact time line, nothing contrary about that.

re22666
you guys dont even agree with each other on what he said or the science he used. can i get a straight answer without being told -heres what you missed...and then something that contradicts what i apparently missed the last time?

I gave you pretty much a straight answer from Titor, it's just a corroboration from what he said and not from someone else. I gave you no contradictory statement. It seems your trying to make us antagonistic, given how commonly science is antagonistic toward many things.


[edit on 16-7-2008 by imitator]

i am not confounding anything, nor am i trynig to be antagonistic. I asked a very simple question, got two different answers, and i can find contradictions to both in john titors own words soooooooooooooooooo.........

re22666
if you dont care to help make this case believable to someone with a mind that is actually open to it...well then why did you bother posting anything back to me at all?

Originally posted by imitator

i am not confounding anything, nor am i trynig to be antagonistic. I asked a very simple question, got two different answers, and i can find contradictions to both in john titors own words soooooooooooooooooo.........

You said, "you guys dont even agree with each other". That comment would seem antagonistic by grouping people as inconsistent. I usuually agree with the Titorites, maybe our personal views seem different, however I didn't start off by giving my views in this thread. I do apologize if there is a misunderstanding in that. Just thought it'll be more clear on how retrieval is possible and how it would benefit, assuming you read some of Titor's posts.

They'll get the IBM, if you could see Titor and his worldlines like a section of computing code.

1. The program starts
2. Input the task
3. Display worldline percentages for task
4. Repeat steps 1 thru 3 until task complete
5. Displays task results: Game Over!
I'm not a very good programmer, maybe it's something like that. Gosub is the key word... lol

re22666
if you dont care to help make this case believable to someone with a mind that is actually open to it...well then why did you bother posting anything back to me at all?

I find myself defending my posts by trying to help. You said, "its a fraud obviously. unless i missed something". And of course I assumed you missed something. An open minded person wouldn't start off by calling it a fraud and grouping people as inconsistent. That form of discourse doesn't seem open minded to me.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by imitator]

Originally posted by imitator
Maybe I should add: Game Over! Please try again or Task complete program terminates. They would complete their task no matter what and one of the John's could be sent to line 1 or before line 1.



[edit on 17-7-2008 by imitator]

Originally posted by imitator
re22666,

Yes, there could be lower numbers that precede inside the program, this program could have other dimensions or worldines that lead back to 1. It looks like your using a form of Basic, and that would make it very limited.

For it to work, you should assume the language is considerably complex, not basic.

You could also see it like a form of loop logic in a syntax tree by sending data back to line 1 without running into any paradoxes. Those branches could have several executional parts, that resides in it, or one could have "sub-statements" returning back to line 1 through another dimension or worldline where the task completes, making it self-consistent.

I could go on trying to make sense of it, but something tells me you wouldn't agree lol.


[edit on 17-7-2008 by imitator]

Originally posted by Springer
...This genuine scientist absolutely destroyed the "science" that Titor was proclaiming as the means of his travels... ...

Originally posted by imitator
Of course each destination creates a new world line. My analogy was: if you could see a syntax tree as worldlines and John as the data.

The example Titor used A,B,C,D is somewhat like subroutines, with it in reverse D,C,B he's using alternative timelines to return to point A. The condition your creating with subroutines assumes either that there is only one timeline, or alternative timelines that's not accessible to any worldline. It seems your seeing it as basic code.

You don't know the state of Titor's A, it could be switching from one state to another, with B,C,D going in and out of it.



[edit on 17-7-2008 by imitator]

Originally posted by imitator

I'm not a very good programmer, maybe it's something like that. Gosub is the key word... lol

and this statement right here is why you should stop usng this as your analogy then. any subjects that you might have at least a little knowledge of that might work better. it is hard to prove your point when trying to speak a language you do not know.

Originally posted by Zenagain
Myself and my fiancee' (Who has since passed away), both read Titor's posts back around 2002ish and to both of us, it had the "ring" of truth. The type of thing that gives you goosebumps. Was he real? I for one cannot answer that question and unlike about 500,000 other people on this and MANY other forums will not make myself look like a moron by asserting with no proof that he wasn't who he said he was. Like another poster in this thread, i will say that it was VERY interesting and definitely gave me a thrill that no other Sci-Fi has before or since, so I guess it doesn't really matter? One way or another, real or fake, the "name" is now LEGEND.