there is absolutely nothing stopping greer from presenting his evidence.

if he has any, of course.


and youre really not supposed to start a damn cult! that really took all of his credibility away, as far as im concerned.

...vectoring ufos.... what does that even mean....is there a chant?!

[edit on 26-3-2007 by nightsider]

If you should watch the conscious life expo video, it should be explained in there.

A cult? CSETI is not a cult. They have scientific methods and very strict rules on how things are done, and documented etc.
The fact that you don't buy with remote viewing, doesn't mean you should tag them so easily.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

Greer it's a good person...the disclosure porject was real nice...but yeah the spiritual thing is something i dont get it fully. He know talks about it a lot..that's cool for him., the last videos of him is only about this and he says he has vector ET craft...seeing by many people supously (not a fact that i know)..but if this was true..why dont do some videos about it?..why wouldnt anybody that has go to his conventions would aloud to bring some video cameras when they try to communicate with ET craft?...Greer says this has happent o him on many ocasions..it's too hard to bring up some photos or videos???

That's the only thing that i dont like about this spiritual thing..were is the evidence to support they have made some type of contact with this craft..but no video or photo available for it???

Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by dariousg

Originally posted by tock

I'm not a business specialist, but correct me here. CSETI and Disclosure Project are both Non profit organisation, correct?
I'm sure you can request their statement. Hope this is the correct word, in French is "Bilan".

I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the undesirable, excuse me the word, away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

[softened my speak a bit]

[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

I can understand the reasoning for the price. I AM a business person with an MBA, BS in Business Management and working on Ph. D. Psychology. A higher price is one way to imply a higher quality product. Yes, it keeps the 'less desirables' away. The key term being 'less desirables'. What does this equate to? It equates to THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT MOST!!! If it truly was a spiritual journey then it would be open to ALL. Especially those that could not afford it. You see where I am getting at? This is why he has lost so much of his credibility. It is looking more and more like he is doing it for the money.

He just asked me for some more money about a month ago for his 'next big push' to get disclosure. Well, I still haven't seen anything from the last big push.

If he was truly sending a spiritual message he would then understand that the source wants ALL of its spirits to be taken care of. Even the less desirable ones.

I know you didn't mean anything ill by the statement Tock. I have read many of your posts and understand where you are coming from. I think you need to think through your statements before you post them. Especially if English is not your native tongue. People will pick apart your words and their interpreted meanings and you will get caught up in back and forth bantering.

Anyway, maybe the move that the French made with declassifying their UFO records and posting them to their site will help to force the hand of the US Government. I know that China is pushing for mid April to have ALL of their UFO documents declassified and posted as well as one or two other nations (Brazil?). Anyway, it's a start.

No one can state that there is no money in the UFO industry. It's big business. Books, tours, seminars, toys, and even towns and freeways ;-)

I have no doubt that other forms of life exist, and do not doubt the millions of witnesses dating back to the time man first started recording history.

What I do doubt is every professional speaker, book writer, or anyone earning an income (be it for or not for profit) from Alien oriented means. You can earn a very lucrative living from fronting a "not for profit" organization. All you need is a creative tax accountant and they are a dime a dozen these days.

If Greer wants my respect, he'll post ALL his documents out to the public domain. Until then, I'm not spending $0.08 to see him. I can spend the day on You Tube and Google Video and get the same thing for free. Heck, what am I saying!! I can stay right here on ATS!

I see kroms33 popping in this thread, he's probably complaining again?
There is so much complaining to do in a day, gotta do it

Originally posted by dariousg

Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by dariousg

Originally posted by tock

I'm not a business specialist, but correct me here. CSETI and Disclosure Project are both Non profit organisation, correct?
I'm sure you can request their statement. Hope this is the correct word, in French is "Bilan".

I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the undesirable, excuse me the word, away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

[softened my speak a bit]

[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

I can understand the reasoning for the price. I AM a business person with an MBA, BS in Business Management and working on Ph. D. Psychology. A higher price is one way to imply a higher quality product. Yes, it keeps the 'less desirables' away. The key term being 'less desirables'. What does this equate to? It equates to THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT MOST!!! If it truly was a spiritual journey then it would be open to ALL. Especially those that could not afford it. You see where I am getting at? This is why he has lost so much of his credibility. It is looking more and more like he is doing it for the money.

He just asked me for some more money about a month ago for his 'next big push' to get disclosure. Well, I still haven't seen anything from the last big push.

If he was truly sending a spiritual message he would then understand that the source wants ALL of its spirits to be taken care of. Even the less desirable ones.

I know you didn't mean anything ill by the statement Tock. I have read many of your posts and understand where you are coming from. I think you need to think through your statements before you post them. Especially if English is not your native tongue. People will pick apart your words and their interpreted meanings and you will get caught up in back and forth bantering.

Anyway, maybe the move that the French made with declassifying their UFO records and posting them to their site will help to force the hand of the US Government. I know that China is pushing for mid April to have ALL of their UFO documents declassified and posted as well as one or two other nations (Brazil?). Anyway, it's a start.

He's probably set the price, to the lowest he can go, without going bankrupt...I don't know, I know that the way he flies all over the world for the meeting gotta be one heck of a bill at the end of the year. 3-4k a pop, with hotel and etc...

Trust me on this dariousg. During the night field work, you want to have group with a great cohesion, to maximize the chance of contact. If you get any joblo starting to fool around, it would be a big mess.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

Originally posted by tock
I see kroms33 popping in this thread, he's probably complaining again?
There is so much complaining to do in a day, gotta do it

No, not complaining... just informing

I'm still waiting on the grand methods of financing a Non profit organisations guys?
I mean this could really help...
So, we are very inclined to complain and whine all day long, but when asked to participate and support, everybody is quiet...
That's tells me quite a lot...

Double post** ignore this one, sorry!

[edit on 26-3-2007 by timb3r]

Originally posted by Gazrok

After 6 years what has the Disclosure Project disclosed?

Probably not their financial statements...

Great idea....wrong guy to head it...

My sentiments exactly.

To be honest, it would be best led by someone detached from the UFO community, someone who doesn't have a "UFO past" or claims to be able to contact aliens with flashlights whilst charging you $800 for the privilege.

Edit: Hold on - so if you pay Greer $800 and see something, you have sign a non-disclosure document?!? The irony.







[edit on 26-3-2007 by timb3r]

I would like to see what you guys could do for disclosure,
without charging for anything. It takes money to do
everything that they have done.

What would you like him to do, stand outside on a street
corner, shouting that the aliens are here?

Originally posted by Alien42
I would like to see what you guys could do for disclosure,
without charging for anything. It takes money to do
everything that they have done.

What would you like him to do, stand outside on a street
corner, shouting that the aliens are here?

Exactly, how do you work toward disclosure, without any money. I don't get why people are making so much fuss around that...

It's like asking everybody on these forums, to go work for free tomorrow...

Originally posted by torsionAfter six years:a
Is anyone wiser and more knowledgeable about UFOs?

In the end, probably not. If they are, then either that's not attributable to the Disclosure Project or the Disclosure Project led them to useful sources.

Has anything at all been disclosed?

Only that the Disclosure Project was utterly mismanaged.
Have any hardcore facts been unearthed?

See previous answer.

What happened to all those military personnel who related their anecdotes?

As far as I can tell, they are waiting for a Congressional hearing to talk. Why they won't talk at every opportunity if what they are saying is true is beyond me. If they are sincere, they have some of the most important testimony in human history and can't wait until their preferred forum is provided to them. Sorry, life sucks, you gotta deal with what you got.

Is it still ongoing with the ‘truth’ just around the next corner, then the next, and the next after that…?

Yup. Every once in a while Greer goes onto Coast to Coast and promises us the world. Then he disappears into the mountains and conjures flying saucers.

what is dr greer doing these days for disclosure? he's gone further from the mainstream since the disclosure project flopped.

Its ashame becuase in amongst the cooks and cranks he had a few good witnesses the whole thing was destroyed with claims of "53 diffirent species" & "alien moon bases" etc.

It looks like hes given up on disclosure and instead concentrating on selling his spiritual philosophy (books/training).

[edit on 26-3-2007 by yeti101]

Once more Togetic, you are really helping out in a better understand of this whole ET/UFO subject. I mean, if it wasn't for your, I would be at lost entirely...all the various knowledge you share, on a daily basis with the community. It's overwhelming...

Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by Alien42
I would like to see what you guys could do for disclosure,
without charging for anything. It takes money to do
everything that they have done.

What would you like him to do, stand outside on a street
corner, shouting that the aliens are here?

Exactly, how do you work toward disclosure, without any money. I don't get why people are making so much fuss around that...

It's like asking everybody on these forums, to go work for free tomorrow...

Well you've saved me the task of quoting both of you seperately.

Now answer my question - Why does the head of The Disclosure Project (you know the FOI, lets blow the lid, whistleblower, exposure, truth telling, get things out in the open) make you sign an NDA when you see something with him?

Originally posted by yeti101
what is dr greer doing these days for disclosure? he's gone further from the mainstream since the disclosure project flopped.

Its ashame becuase in amongst the cooks and cranks he had a few good witnesses the whole thing was destroyed with claims of "53 diffirent species" etc.

It looks like hes given up on disclosure and instead concentrating on selling his spiritual philosophy (books/training).

No need to insult the witnesses, I'm sure you wouldn't have half the guts they have to come speak, and be on the front row...

He has a G7 country behind him, should be good to see what happens with this.
He is also pushing more toward the energy generation devices.