After 6 years what has the Disclosure Project disclosed?

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posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 12:34 PM
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I must admit I had high hopes when I first heard of the Disclosure Project. But the initial excitement waned over time when it seemed to turn into a Steven Greer promotional pedestal.

After six years:
Is anyone wiser and more knowledgeable about UFOs?
Has anything at all been disclosed?
Have any hardcore facts been unearthed?
What happened to all those military personnel who related their anecdotes?
Is it still ongoing with the ‘truth’ just around the next corner, then the next, and the next after that…?


I know no more now than I did at the beginning. The only thing it has revealed to me is that I believe Greer to be nothing but a charlatan who is currently raking in the money through his seminars in which he promises the punters that they may get a personal visit from extraterrestrials while on the course!

If anyone has been on Greer’s $800 ‘Ambassador to the Universe’ seminar can they disclose whether they met space aliens while in attendance.

Has anyone learned anything positive from Disclosure? Maybe things have been revealed that I am unaware of...




posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 12:41 PM
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haha yeah i have the exact same thoughts about the disclosure project. i mean if 300 military witnesses arent enough to get a congressional hearing i think we are pretty much screwed out of that type of disclosure



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 12:42 PM
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Nothing because no matter how much testimony we get nothing will ever be disclosed or the real info will be lost or it will fall under national security and then can't be disclosed. Good effort but waste of time IMO.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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Greer screwed up the Disclosure project by making it a spirtual thing. Obviously it must be because mysticism is easier to believe and more factual than actual scientific evidence.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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After 6 years what has the Disclosure Project disclosed?


Probably not their financial statements...


Great idea....wrong guy to head it...



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by torsion
I must admit I had high hopes when I first heard of the Disclosure Project. But the initial excitement waned over time when it seemed to turn into a Steven Greer promotional pedestal.

After six years:
Is anyone wiser and more knowledgeable about UFOs?
Has anything at all been disclosed?
Have any hardcore facts been unearthed?
What happened to all those military personnel who related their anecdotes?
Is it still ongoing with the ‘truth’ just around the next corner, then the next, and the next after that…?


I know no more now than I did at the beginning. The only thing it has revealed to me is that I believe Greer to be nothing but a charlatan who is currently raking in the money through his seminars in which he promises the punters that they may get a personal visit from extraterrestrials while on the course!

If anyone has been on Greer’s $800 ‘Ambassador to the Universe’ seminar can they disclose whether they met space aliens while in attendance.

Has anyone learned anything positive from Disclosure? Maybe things have been revealed that I am unaware of...


I have been to one of the training. Very satisfied.
We have vectored in UFO during the Mt shasta Septembre 2006 training.
I have learned you can use Consciousness and deep meditative state to have contact. And that UFOs respond to laser signaling.
I have learned that the media is bought out and the US corporations will not let anything happend.
I have learned that Steven Greer has a big Heart, he's a compassionate man. But he has hardly no support, which makes his task extremely difficult.
I have learned that none of the rich punks out there will support him, even with the huge amount of testimony he has brought up.
He has disclosed methods of contact, have you tried them?
He has disclosed how the functions behind those compartments, within the corporations, who else did this so clearly?
He has been offering incredible workshops, quality workshops you will never find anywhere else.

So now, what will YOU DO to assist disclosure?



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:13 PM
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I don't know. You have to question the moral fortitude of someone who talks the big talk and then turns it into an $800 per person campout to watch for UFOs. I mean, if he truly believed what he preaches about it being more of a spiritual connection that the non-terrestrial beings are promoting then you would think that he, with all of his money already, would being doing these things for a little more affordable rates.

Plus, you have to sign a non-disclosure policy before you even go on one of these campouts! What's that all about?

So, your question towards someone who has gone to one of these things is a moot question. They CAN'T ANSWER! If they do they risk being sued.

I like the idea behind what he has done but I think that he has caught UFO disease and is doing more for his own benefit than for the benefit and furtherment of the human race.

Just my two cents on this particular individual.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:15 PM
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how much does it cost for a training session with mr greer?

edit: $800? wow..

[edit on 26-3-2007 by yeti101]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by torsion
I must admit I had high hopes when I first heard of the Disclosure Project. But the initial excitement waned over time when it seemed to turn into a Steven Greer promotional pedestal.

After six years:
Is anyone wiser and more knowledgeable about UFOs?
Has anything at all been disclosed?
Have any hardcore facts been unearthed?
What happened to all those military personnel who related their anecdotes?
Is it still ongoing with the ‘truth’ just around the next corner, then the next, and the next after that…?



All these are very good questions that unfortunately remain unanswered. As Millerman and Tock will agree, I will be the first to step up and condemn Greer for his actions via New Age rhetoric. I will give him a bit of credit for putting this topic of UFOs to better public awareness - but I myself have tried to contact him and his organization(s) (yes, plural) to try to unite all the organizations behind uncovering the truth... it falls on deaf ears... that only says to me - he is in it for the money, or he just doesn't care.



I know no more now than I did at the beginning. The only thing it has revealed to me is that I believe Greer to be nothing but a charlatan who is currently raking in the money through his seminars in which he promises the punters that they may get a personal visit from extraterrestrials while on the course!


You are joining an ever growing club of researchers - but be careful, there are people on ATS that will say that you are working for the Military Industrial Complex, or perhaps an Agent of the 'Secret Government' and yes, even a 'debunker' LOL



If anyone has been on Greer’s $800 ‘Ambassador to the Universe’ seminar can they disclose whether they met space aliens while in attendance.


Absolutely NOT - people who go to that can not disclose what happened to them. THEY have to sign a confidentiality agreement
www.cseti.org...
SO WHAT IS THE POINT?!?
Here is just PART of it:


external source:
By my signature affixed below, I agree to hold all proceedings of this CSETI Ambassadors to the Universe Training Retreat confidential and agree that it shall not be shared publicly without the prior express written consent of CSETI.

SHAME ON YOU TOCK!!!

Kinda sounds just as bad as the governments hiding the truth doesn't it?



Has anyone learned anything positive from Disclosure? Maybe things have been revealed that I am unaware of...


Nothing new, unless you haven't watched TDP videos on youtube - its still the same game being played... "Come to my conferences and I will teach you how to see UFOs - but you can't talk about it with anyone."
It just doesn't add up in my book.



[edit on 3/26/2007 by kroms33]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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They have very limited financing methods, for a non-profit organization, it gets rough.

If you think money gets in, and it never gets out...that's a mistake.

Take just a few moments to think about the expenses were during the last 15 years, and you will see that it's expensive to fly witnesses and keep an organization running.

This was explained in other threads already.

Now, again, why going for a workshop like this can't be justified, but going to one of those very expensive 5k workshop on other subjects is ok?
I'll tell you why, because you think it's worth it. Well, I think the "Ambassador to the Universe training is worth it, I'm looking to go again as soon as I have enough saved.

So it boils down to what you think is worth paying for. More opinions really.

I'm always wondering, why you don't call your doctor a fraud, when you get your doctor's bill?
Or when you buy the latest version of MS? A la vista...1200$ for a !@#$ Operating system. Now, for crying out loud, that's ripoff...
See my point? It's a question of perspective.



[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by torsion
I must admit I had high hopes when I first heard of the Disclosure Project. But the initial excitement waned over time when it seemed to turn into a Steven Greer promotional pedestal.

After six years:
Is anyone wiser and more knowledgeable about UFOs?
Has anything at all been disclosed?
Have any hardcore facts been unearthed?
What happened to all those military personnel who related their anecdotes?
Is it still ongoing with the ‘truth’ just around the next corner, then the next, and the next after that…?


I know no more now than I did at the beginning. The only thing it has revealed to me is that I believe Greer to be nothing but a charlatan who is currently raking in the money through his seminars in which he promises the punters that they may get a personal visit from extraterrestrials while on the course!

If anyone has been on Greer’s $800 ‘Ambassador to the Universe’ seminar can they disclose whether they met space aliens while in attendance.

Has anyone learned anything positive from Disclosure? Maybe things have been revealed that I am unaware of...


I have been to one of the training. Very satisfied.
We have vectored in UFO during the Mt shasta Septembre 2006 training.
I have learned you can use Consciousness and deep meditative state to have contact. And that UFOs respond to laser signaling.
I have learned that the media is bought out and the US corporations will not let anything happend.
I have learned that Steven Greer has a big Heart, he's a compassionate man. But he has hardly no support, which makes his task extremely difficult.
I have learned that none of the rich punks out there will support him, even with the huge amount of testimony he has brought up.
He has disclosed methods of contact, have you tried them?
He has disclosed how the functions behind those compartments, within the corporations, who else did this so clearly?
He has been offering incredible workshops, quality workshops you will never find anywhere else.

So now, what will YOU DO to assist disclosure?



And you are allowed to speak freely of this? You didn't sign their confidentiality agreement?



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:29 PM
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Oh, you guys are so all mighty right.
Well be my guess, how do you keep a non profit organization going?

Remember, there is so much work, he's doing that full time...
List me the methods here.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by tock


Now, again, why going for a workshop like this can't be justified, but going to one of those very expensive 5k workshop on other subjects is ok?
I'll tell you why, because you think it's worth it. Well, I think the "Ambassador to the Universe training is worth it, I'm looking to go again as soon as I have enough saved.

So it boils down to what you think is worth paying for. More opinions really.


That is true - and no one is saying for the people who believe in him not to go - its your money




I'm always wondering, why you don't call your doctor a fraud, when you get your doctor's bill?

I thought Canada had free health care...?



Or when you buy the latest version of MS? A la vista...1200$ for a !@#$ Operating system. Now, for crying out loud, that's ripoff...
See my point? It's a question of perspective.

Here in the states Vista ranges from $120 to around near $250... and yes, Billy Gates and the boys at MS are ripping the public off... they have a corner of the market, and people feed off of them... just like people who corner the market in the field of UFOs - people feed off that.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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The NDA is just in case an idiot start abusing all this. It gives them a way to sue the person if he really start messing it up.

Of course you can talk about it, so as long as I do all this with pure intentions and not turning around and selling the footage or pictures to tabloids for guizillions$$$.

It's all common sense.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by tock
Oh, you guys are so all mighty right.
Well be my guess, how do you keep a non profit organization going?

Remember, there is so much work, he's doing that full time...
List me the methods here.


NPOs are required by US law to disclose their funding methods each quarter.
Why doesn't CSETI or TDP subscribe to making their funding public like all other NPOs do?

EDIT saying CSETI was not NPO... sorry my mistake.

[edit on 3/26/2007 by kroms33]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by tock
They have very limited financing methods, for a non-profit organization, it gets rough.

If you think money gets in, and it never gets out...that's a mistake.

Take just a few moments to think about the expenses were during the last 15 years, and you will see that it's expensive to fly witnesses and keep an organization running.

This was explained in other threads already.

Now, again, why going for a workshop like this can't be justified, but going to one of those very expensive 5k workshop on other subjects is ok?
I'll tell you why, because you think it's worth it. Well, I think the "Ambassador to the Universe training is worth it, I'm looking to go again as soon as I have enough saved.

So it boils down to what you think is worth paying for. More opinions really.

I'm always wondering, why you don't call your doctor a fraud, when you get your doctor's bill?
Or when you buy the latest version of MS? A la vista...1200$ for a !@#$ Operating system. Now, for crying out loud, that's ripoff...
See my point? It's a question of perspective.



[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]


Agreed. It does come down to this. How much are you willing to spend. You are the first person I have seen that actually has talked about any of the specifics involved at the actual events. I really thought, when I was looking into it, that there was a form you had to sign stating you would not divulge anything that took place. You didn't have to sign this?

As for the financials, well, the organization should make them public then so that skeptics can be called off. That's the first thing that people will look to when organizations make big claims and ask for money and yet produce hardly anything.

He has a lot of producing to do to get me back on board. Like others have stated, I like what the idea behind it all is but I don't like how it is being run. Then again, I don't have access to how it is really being run so who am I do condone or condemn? They would remove a lot of heat if they disclosed their finances and where the money has gone, etc.

JMO



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by tock
The NDA is just in case an idiot start abusing all this. It gives them a way to sue the person if he really start messing it up.

Of course you can talk about it, so as long as I do all this with pure intentions and not turning around and selling the footage or pictures to tabloids for guizillions$$$.

It's all common sense.


I can accept that. Now we just need to see where the money has gone.

Now, don't misunderstand me. I'm not accusing him of cheating people. I'm just saying that there should be disclosure on that first so that more people will either give freely or decide to give elsewhere.

I want to believe but I don't give my allegience blindly.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by dariousg

Originally posted by tock
They have very limited financing methods, for a non-profit organization, it gets rough.

If you think money gets in, and it never gets out...that's a mistake.

Take just a few moments to think about the expenses were during the last 15 years, and you will see that it's expensive to fly witnesses and keep an organization running.

This was explained in other threads already.

Now, again, why going for a workshop like this can't be justified, but going to one of those very expensive 5k workshop on other subjects is ok?
I'll tell you why, because you think it's worth it. Well, I think the "Ambassador to the Universe training is worth it, I'm looking to go again as soon as I have enough saved.

So it boils down to what you think is worth paying for. More opinions really.

I'm always wondering, why you don't call your doctor a fraud, when you get your doctor's bill?
Or when you buy the latest version of MS? A la vista...1200$ for a !@#$ Operating system. Now, for crying out loud, that's ripoff...
See my point? It's a question of perspective.



[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]


Agreed. It does come down to this. How much are you willing to spend. You are the first person I have seen that actually has talked about any of the specifics involved at the actual events. I really thought, when I was looking into it, that there was a form you had to sign stating you would not divulge anything that took place. You didn't have to sign this?

As for the financials, well, the organization should make them public then so that skeptics can be called off. That's the first thing that people will look to when organizations make big claims and ask for money and yet produce hardly anything.

He has a lot of producing to do to get me back on board. Like others have stated, I like what the idea behind it all is but I don't like how it is being run. Then again, I don't have access to how it is really being run so who am I do condone or condemn? They would remove a lot of heat if they disclosed their finances and where the money has gone, etc.

JMO


I'm not a business specialist, but correct me here. CSETI and Disclosure Project are both Non profit organisation, correct?
I'm sure you can request their statement. Hope this is the correct word, in French is "Bilan".

I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the "less desirables", away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

[softened my speak a bit]


[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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Oh, I forgot.... Tock has me on ignore

Oh well.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by tock
I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the retards, excuse me the word, away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.


Corporate elitism at its best. Keep the poor people down, and the rich in power... nice - shows your true colors Tock.





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