Stop Iran now

Not my brain that has a problem. Stick to the topic and quit the personal attack. It's obvious you have nothing inside your own skull.

EU will take action :O!

The 27 ministers voiced "unconditional support" for Britain in the dispute, in a statement agreed at a meeting in the north German port city of Bremen.

They urged "the immediate and unconditional release" of the crew.

The EU said it reserved the right to take "appropriate measures" if Iran did not comply - though the measures were not spelled out.

news.bbc.co.uk...

EU standing behind the UK.

Originally posted by hereandnow
Not my brain that has a problem. Stick to the topic and quit the personal attack. It's obvious you have nothing inside your own skull.

I don't think you have nothing in your skull i just think that what you said about everyone else but your self is actually reflective of your self.

Which i thought was ironic.

And it was on subject since i replied to your text.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by selfless]

You know what I've seen of our race?

I've seen humans go off to kill humans, because one human said so.
I've seen humans beaten into submission, and others beaten to death, because someone said what was socially acceptable.

I've seen people 100% influenced by what others say... without a moments pause to think to themselves what they SHOULD do.

I've seen hundreds of people in my day to day life absolutely obedient to their masters, hanging off every word they utter.

How can you know wether they are worthy of being in charge if you don't scrutinize them in their entirety?

How do YOU know that the russians are sending "insurgents" into Iran?
How do YOU know what the Iranians actual goals are?
Because overlord Bush said so? Because another human decided that is what you should believe?

Stop and think people.
Seriously. Think for yourselves. You have a brain, use it for what it's meant for.
Do you really believe that the Iranian people are over there plotting how to screw the world up?
Do you really believe that an entire race is inherrantly evil?
Do you believe that because of one person's comments, that the men, women, and children of a nation deserve to die?

You know who else had those same ideas? The terrorists who flew those planes into the trade center. You didnt think that was justified did you? What do you think the Iranian people would think of the United States once you start bombing their cities, religious buildings, hospitals, schools, factories, etc?
They will see you exactly the same way you see the terrorists.
And quite frankly... should the commonwealth declare war on Iran... I can see little difference between the terrorists and our military. You both follow orders, you both lay down your lives so that you can end the lives of the citizens of another nation.

You are just as bad as them.

No one here think that all of Iranian are evil or close to be evil, which situation just like no one believe Germany who under Nazi domination were evils, but the war must be going because some evil dominate the country, Iran, same as so!

Originally posted by kozmo
I'm not going to single anyone out anymore, but it's time to start being OBJECTIVE in our presentation of SUBJECTIVE matter! If your opinion is that the war in Iraq is illegal make that clear. The war is, in fact, legal under UN Resolution 1472 and Chapter VII of UN Code despite your displeasure or disagreement with it!

Funny how the UN has stated your war is illegial and not sanctioned by the UN.
But when ever anyone brings that up, you all of a sudden dismiss the UN, like its worthless.

Yet you still use resolutions from over a decade ago to justify this illegial war.

and it is just that, illegial.

Just because the US government says it isnt, doesnt mean jack on the world stage.

^^^

show me where UN Res 1472 allows the Iraqi Invasion:
UN Resoulution 1472

And for all you war justifiers read my post(ID 3075917) here:

Originally posted by emile

Originally posted by osram

Originally posted by emile
It's the time to test allied relationsip between UK and US. We always say that A friend in need is a friend indeed. To set a deadline, so that Iran has time to release all RN marines, if not, bomb them till they do it, just like Yugo in 1998! Bomb them not only 78 days, should be 78 weeks, 78 months, yeas, even 78 decades. If someone cannot read my english I will invite people translate my Chinese to Englsih!

Hmmm. I thought many asian cultures are pretty much non-violent.
Oh wait, #.. you are chinese. So, i guess the chinese culture is a little bit different.

So.. how is Tibeth doing?
Are they still alive? Or is your genocide raid complete?
I would be very careful with the statements you post here.
As an Asian i guess you sure do understand the following saying:

What you give, comes around.

Your words are disgusting. If you have no idea what you are talking about, please refrain from writing at all.

If you know me very well, you may call me dissident from Beijing :p

If I am the president of China, what's you called? Aha Tibeth, ok, they want independence? If they are sure of this, ok let them go. Taiwan, they really want this like Tibeth? ok just do what they want, only if they are happy. I will never agree anyone kill Irannian, If there is no any threat out of Tehran, BUT the situation now are totally different, they threat another race, a very small country which nothing to do with Iran. And Iran does want to develop nuke to destroy that small race, we called Israel! Ok the Nuke hasn't been tested so there is no need we need voilent, then they kidnap sailor who are factually not in Iranian water! So if they don't free them for all! BOMB THEM!!!!!!

Now I am waiting for your rebut

Ok. Well I dont think that needs any rebut. It explains itself;
Your words don't make sense. I know your English isn't very good.. but I don't even think that this is the problem.

First you say that you will never agree on anyone killing Iranians.
At the end you say "BOMB THEM!!!!".

Apparently you don't know what is going on in Tibeth, nor do you know what happens anywhere else... and your argumentations sound, not because of the language, but because of the meanings: Like the argumentation of a 17-Year old Gamer.

No offense mate, but I say use this site to educate yourself about history and current events. I don't know about censorship in China personally, but it's said to be pretty severe. Use this site to educate yourself.

We are talking about Genocide, falsely "legitimate" mass-murder and the destruction of whole countries, here.
Not just about some video-games.

Originally posted by hereandnow

No we won't go back to 1979. Thats almost 30 years ago. Wtf are you talking about?

It's not worth my time debating with someone who knows nothing of history and prefers to make up their own view of history.

You hit the nail on the head; But maybe you might consider that it is the other way around.

After all you started talking about some minimal incident which was 30 years ago. But when i ask you about the Nuclear Contract which as far as i can tell was agreed upon by the US and Iran more than 30 years ago. You start to close down and depict me as some ignorant.

I don't pretend everything about history, but I think that i have achieved to reach a clear and general aspect of history.

Just look at all the other countries who have achieved to get an A-Bomb. They are now all treated very friendly by the US. What a coincidence.
No wonder Iranians are dreaming of the same possibilities and security.

Just look at Pakistan with their A-Bomb, and India without..

I hope someone can find that Agreement between US and Iran. I think it was 35 or 50 years ago? I don't know the English word and it's hard to find it @ censored Google anyway.

Anyway. I'd suggest you stop wasting your time discussing with all those people on ATS who know NOTHING about history.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Funny how the UN has stated your war is illegial and not sanctioned by the UN.
But when ever anyone brings that up, you all of a sudden dismiss the UN, like its worthless.

Yet you still use resolutions from over a decade ago to justify this illegial war.

and it is just that, illegial.

Just because the US government says it isnt, doesnt mean jack on the world stage.

I havent heard of the iraq war being called "illegal" by the UN , maybe they hinted at it but I havent seen them come out and say it.
Also why bring the iraq war into this, this thread is about iran and british sailors. Not the iraq war, unless your changing the thread to suit your argument?

Hey devilwasp,

Obviously it's all related together so talking about Iraq is not off topic.

Originally posted by selfless
Hey devilwasp,

Obviously it's all related together so talking about Iraq is not off topic.

No it isnt, the forces there are UN troops under the UN flag. No ifs and no buts about it, the UN confirms this and they are the highest authority on who are their troops.

After the UK/US invasion and the removing of Saddam, the UN voted and gave a mandate to the United Kingdom and the United States thus it was not an illegal war.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by selfless
Hey devilwasp,

Obviously it's all related together so talking about Iraq is not off topic.

No it isnt, the forces there are UN troops under the UN flag. No ifs and no buts about it, the UN confirms this and they are the highest authority on who are their troops.

The forces where are under UN mandate?
Iraq..

The war was never legitimised.
Its outcome and succeeding government was legitimised though.
Resolutions 1483 and 1546 legitimised the reconstruction effort and the forming of the government an constitution.
The bombing of the UN Envoy office made it necessary for the actual UN mission to leave Iraq. There is a minimal UN presence in Iraq.
The coalition troops are NOT under a UN flag in Iraq. They report to their own corps commanders and thus their own government.
Basically its a mess out there.
The minimal UN presence in Iraq is also only there because of extreme pressure by th US government to legitimise its occupation of Iraq.

The war was NEVER legitimised. NEVER..

Whatever ever the UN tries to do does'nt seem to matter anymore.
Iran shows them no respect and is becoming more of a threat. If they are not stopped what will keep them from kidnapping more soldiers? They are trying to provoke something here and unless they let those British soldiers go unharmed somethings going to happen to them. Question is whose going to do it?

Originally posted by Daedalus3
The war was never legitimised.

My apoligses, your correct.

The coalition troops are NOT under a UN flag in Iraq. They report to their own corps commanders and thus their own government.

There under a UN mandate to reconstruct the country, hence UN troops.
Show me where operating under a UN mandate does not coount as under a UN mission?


[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Well Iraq and Iran and USA and everything else is all related to everything that happens.

It's all part of an agenda.

I think you what I mean devilwasp..

The UN legitimised the reconstruction and rebuilding rebuilding effort in Iraq.
They did NOT undertake it. So the troops can be said to operate with 'UN legality' but they are NOT UN troops!

UN Troops by definition are forces (ranging from company-size to battalion-size) that are on deputation to the UN.
They do NOT report to the normal command structure that they would otherwise.
The commanding officer(s) maybe from a 3rd country and he/she in teurn reports to the UN Envoy there. The UN envoy reports to the council.
Each stage obviously has channels through which owner states are kept within the loop, but the command structure is NOT controlled by UN ommanders.

Some UN missions are only observer oriented and others have a very strong military presence.

UN troops are those who report and act with UN chain of command:
UNMIK, UNAMSIL,UNIFIL etc etc..
They are blue berets and are recognised as such.
There are no UN troops in Iraq, besides the ones guarding UN installations there.

Check out UNAMI. The UN mandate(Res 1546) that created UNAMI does not
grant the UN binding authority over coalition forces.

If ALL coalition corps commanders start reporting to the UN Envoy and not General Abizaid and co. then they can start wearing blue berets and then their soldiers can be called UN troops.

Originally posted by osram

Originally posted by hereandnow

No we won't go back to 1979. Thats almost 30 years ago. Wtf are you talking about?

It's not worth my time debating with someone who knows nothing of history and prefers to make up their own view of history.

You hit the nail on the head; But maybe you might consider that it is the other way around.

After all you started talking about some minimal incident which was 30 years ago. But when i ask you about the Nuclear Contract which as far as i can tell was agreed upon by the US and Iran more than 30 years ago. You start to close down and depict me as some ignorant.

I don't pretend everything about history, but I think that i have achieved to reach a clear and general aspect of history.

Just look at all the other countries who have achieved to get an A-Bomb. They are now all treated very friendly by the US. What a coincidence.
No wonder Iranians are dreaming of the same possibilities and security.

Just look at Pakistan with their A-Bomb, and India without..

I hope someone can find that Agreement between US and Iran. I think it was 35 or 50 years ago? I don't know the English word and it's hard to find it @ censored Google anyway.

Anyway. I'd suggest you stop wasting your time discussing with all those people on ATS who know NOTHING about history.

Your are suit to be sildior because you won't kill anyone even your enemy then to be kidnaped as a hostage

Originally posted by u4itornot
You have UN sanctions, you have an idiot in control that needs to be taken out. DO IT! Protect our soldiers and get the brits back. These Iranians
are ready to fall, no more. I remember 1980 screw them don't let them
do it again. In fact this president awhatever was a terrorist that held
our people then. Get it done!

I agree. Iran needs a wake up call and we need to get off keisters and take care of business.