DjMessiah

yes, i'll post the other photos, I already gave a link to some of them above. I never said aliens, I never said I knew what we were seeing. All I said happened. I'm sorry if this makes me look bad, having more than one sighting, but I cant help it!

Originally posted by DJMessiah
She experienced aliens/extra terrestrials. She described the "UFO" as being able to hear her when she said, "Now, I don’t know why I did this, but I did, I spoke, "hello, come here" as soon as I said this, it started to come towards us..."

Either she's implying that the "UFO" itself is a being, or that it had occupants that heard her and understood English.

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Dude, you've got it all wrong. She did not mention the word 'alien' in this thread about this sighting. You're implying something that she never stated. She said 'hello' to 'it', but she didn't state that the 'it' was an alien. She described it as a 'UFO/craft thing' with 'wings'.

She's not implying that the UFO is a being, or that it had occupants. You're doing that on your own.

I have no problems with you attacking her story in this thread. But if you do so, please stick to what she stated without inserting your own implied extrapolations.

Guys, this is what the image " Untitled-4.jpg" looks like scaled down in my Firefox browser at 49% (Height: 602 x Width: 532)




As you can see, the colored dots do form a pattern. My current monitor resolution is at 1024x768 at 32-bit setting.

[edit on 25-3-2007 by DJMessiah]

Originally posted by tezzajw
She's not implying that the UFO is a being, or that it had occupants. You're doing that on your own.

Can you explain how an un-manned aircraft can hear what she says and react to her actions, including hovering "15 feet" above them, then darting off to the hill when she takes out her camera?

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by tezzajw
She's not implying that the UFO is a being, or that it had occupants. You're doing that on your own.

Can you explain how an un-manned aircraft can hear what she says and react to her actions, including hovering "15 feet" above them, then darting off to the hill when she takes out her camera?

No, I can't explain it. But what I won't do is to make up an explanation and try to pass it off as something that she 'implied' - like you did.

I've seen lots of robots on TV shows that are built to respond to voice commands, or move to nearby sound sources. Maybe it was like that? I don't know? I can't explain it, neither could she, that's why she described it as a UFO and NOT an alien.

Again, she did not imply that it was a being and she did not imply that there were aliens inside the 'UFO/craft'. YOU DID!

ok, so my credibility is at stake, for two reasons, first the photos, second my previous sightings, I think I've got that right.

So lets take one thing at a time, after all, isn't this forum a place to find the truth or explore possibilities?

The noise on the photos, it could be as I showed in the post above, because of the ISO settings right? If there is a possibility, we should look at that, and we are.

And my previous experiences, well is it not possible to have more than one sighting, if i was a hoxer, why wait 2 years to post again, why use the same ats screen name, what would be my motivation.

What is it that makes my credibility look so bad, tell me, so I can address it.

DjMessiah

"Can you explain how an un-manned aircraft can hear what she says and react to her actions, including hovering "15 feet" above them, then darting off to the hill when she takes out her camera?"

Can you explain UFO's and why they do what they do or appear and fly like they do?

I have thought about this a lot, I have no explanations for you, only the account of the experience. It might have not been extraterrestrial, it could have been military, it could have been a great hoax, played on us, who knows. but what I know is it did happen, just like I said it did.

Originally posted by tezzajw
No, I can't explain it. But what I won't do is to make up an explanation and try to pass it off as something that she 'implied' - like you did.

Notice, my explanation was my deduction of what they wrote. It's oddly strange how defensive you have been of their posts. You sound a bit too sure like you know what they meant to imply.

I can't explain it, neither could she, that's why she described it as a UFO and NOT an alien.

She never explained if there were aliens in the craft or not, but she did describe a situation where something could hear her speak and react to her actions. What would you say would be the basis for not thinking that there are aliens piloting the craft?

Again, she did not imply that it was a being and she did not imply that there were aliens inside the 'UFO/craft'. YOU DID!

First, calm down please. Second, the craft itself would have to be extra-terrestrial in origin, which means that it contains either aliens or a sign of an alien's creation. Given the numerous reports they made that they have encounter non-human beings, why would this be any different? Would you like to explain to me why a craft would be unmanned in this situation vs manned?

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Originally posted by Ambergambler
Can you explain UFO's and why they do what they do or appear and fly like they do?

I don't have account of your full story, nor was a witness to the event, if it occurred, so I can not describe how your craft flew, how it looked like, and why they were there.

I have thought about this a lot, I have no explanations for you, only the account of the experience.

Many here have witnessed crafts and have their own explanation. I would direct you to the member "John Lear," as a credible source. He would give you an excellent account of extraterrestrial information.

It might have not been extraterrestrial, it could have been military, it could have been a great hoax, played on us, who knows. but what I know is it did happen, just like I said it did.

And what about the 4 other encounters? Were those hoaxes too?

[edit on 25-3-2007 by DJMessiah]

Why would it have to be extra-terrestrial? who is they? I am the only person to make posts!

what numerous reports, i've only ever posted 2 threads?

No one can explain to you why it might be manned vs unmannded, I mean how could we know?

I never said the craft reacted to me in this post, I only said, after i spoke it came towards us.

It seems like you've made up your mind, why keep going with this thread, why not just write it off, if its all so obviously a hoax?

Originally posted by DJMessiah
She never explained if there were aliens in the craft or not, but she did describe a situation where something could hear her speak and react to her actions. What would you say would be the basis for not thinking that there are aliens piloting the craft?

Again, I don't know how the craft appeared to react to her voice and neither did she. She described it as being a UFO, not an alien.

...the craft itself would have to be extra-terrestrial in origin, which means that it contains either aliens or a sign of an alien's creation. Given the numerous reports she's made that she's encounter non-human beings, why would this be any different?

Your first assumption is that it had to have aliens inside. Well, if there were any and if they were inside, then how could she see them to describe them? So why ask her what they look like?

Your second assumption is that it had to contain the sign of an alien's construction. That doesn't mean that it had to contain an alien. It could have been a robotic craft built by an alien. How is she supposed to describe an alien if it was not there? I don't know. She doesn't know. But you think you know by presuming that she saw aliens.

I'll tell you why this sighting of hers IS different. Read her first post IN THIS THREAD, she stated that she saw a 'UFO/craft thing'. She DID NOT state that she saw aliens. Why can't she have different multiple types of encounters, some with aliens and some without? Maybe she's full of crap, I don't know. However, I'm reading this thread and seeing you make up stories about her seeing aliens, when she never stated it.

Dude, attack her as much as you like. I have no way of knowing if she's true or not and I really don't care, as it won't affect me. However, when you spread disinformation around about things that she did not state, your argument looks weak. I'm not defending her, I'm poking holes in your attack on her, as your debunking attempt was way off track when you twisted the facts to what she described IN THIS THREAD.

Originally posted by Ambergambler
Why would it have to be extra-terrestrial?

Generally, most UFO are thought of as not from Earth.

who is they?

They = you.

I am the only person to make posts!

Incorrect. Your son also made a post.

What numerous reports, i've only ever posted 2 threads?

Two threads, yet more than two posts claiming you witnessed either UFOs or non-human beings.

No one can explain to you why it might be manned vs unmannded, I mean how could we know?

Given your description, I'm assuming it's piloted.

I never said the craft reacted to me in this post, I only said, after i spoke it came towards us.

You said "come here" and it did. That is a reaction. You took out your camera and it went away. That is a reaction.

It seems like you've made up your mind, why keep going with this thread, why not just write it off, if its all so obviously a hoax?

Probably, there's a chance you're telling the truth. I will be skeptical to anything that sounds too good to be true, and will question UFO claims made to me to make sure their evidence is actually true. I have been raised not to be gullible, so I will question. After analyzing your writings, I have a general good mindset about what I think about this situation.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Your first assumption is that it had to have aliens inside. Well, if there were any and if they were inside, then how could she see them to describe them? So why ask her what they look like?

Let me ask, why are you fixated on whether there were aliens in the craft or not? As I said earlier, my assumption from her description was that there is. If you're debating about my assumption, please open a new thread, because this can easily be taken off topic.

How is she supposed to describe an alien if it was not there?

Ok, so your assumption is that there are no aliens in the craft. Though she did describe the craft coming 15ft near her, which is close enough to make out any features on the craft.

But you think you know by presuming that she saw aliens.

"Presuming" and "knowing" are two different things.

Dude, attack her as much as you like.

I'm not attacking her. Merely questioning her. As SO said, ATS must maintain a high standard. In no way does that mean not having the right to question photos or video of UFOs.

However, when you spread disinformation around about things that she did not state, your argument looks weak.

Again, feel free to open a new thread or U2U me, and we can debate it there.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Given your description, I'm assuming it's piloted.

See, that's gold. Right there, that statement you made. That's precious gold. She knows nothing about it. You know nothing about it. Yet, you assume that it's piloted. Well done. It's great to see that your research has paid off and it's case closed for you to assume that.

What if you're wrong? Have you ever thought of that?

Probably, there's a chance you're telling the truth. I will be skeptical to anything that sounds too good to be true, and will question UFO claims made to me to make sure their evidence is actually true. I have been raised not to be gullible, so I will question.

Which is well and good. So why did you assume that she saw aliens, by asking for a description of them, when all that she stated was that she saw a UFO/craft thing?

Djmessiah would you like to speak to me in person, I could pm you a my msn or a contact number and we could discus this over the phone.? Is this allowed, sorry if its not`!

I feel looking at the forum guides that you are being a bit harsh:

While "slugging it out" over what is and is not a real UFO may be an admirable trait in some quarters it's not happening here. This site is not for the dog eat dog CRAP we see almost everywhere else in the UFO "field" ...

so rather than fill this post, can we find another way to do it.
For me this is an important post, this is what I saw, I would like to discus it, and for it not to get buried in your posts, as I think you alread have made up your mind.

Originally posted by tezzajw
You know nothing about it. Yet, you assume that it's piloted.

Correct. That's what an assumption is.

What if you're wrong? Have you ever thought of that?

Probably wrong, probably right. There's probability for both, which is why I'm questioning her.

Which is well and good. So why did you assume that she saw aliens, by asking for a description of them, when all that she stated was that she saw a UFO/craft thing?

Notice, I said "What did the aliens from your encounters ("s" emphasized) look like?"

If you read my original reply, you would see that I mention her other thread, where she claims to have seen non-human beings.

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Originally posted by DJMessiah
Let me ask, why are you fixated on whether there were aliens in the craft or not? As I said earlier, my assumption from her description was that there is. If you're debating about my assumption, please open a new thread, because this can easily be taken off topic.

No, this is on-topic. It relates to her sighting specifically. I am not fixated on whether there were aliens in the craft or not - you are. You presumed that to be the case and you stated that you assume it to be 'piloted'. You inserted something into her story that she did not state.

Dude, that's disinformation.

I really don't know if there were aliens in the craft or not. Neither does she. Read her original post, all that she was stating was that she saw a UFO/craft thing.

Again, feel free to open a new thread or U2U me, and we can debate it there.

No need to U2U. I'm happy for others to read your assumptions and my responses.

It's late here and I need some sleep.

Besides, I'll only go around in circles with you, as you've clearly demonstrated that you'll fabricate parts of her story with your own implications about the presence of aliens.

Originally posted by Ambergambler
Djmessiah would you like to speak to me in person, I could pm you a my msn or a contact number and we could discus this over the phone.? Is this allowed, sorry if its not`!

Amber, my apologies but I will not give out my contact information to people I don't know. Please understand that this is for my own security.

You always have the option of discussing any of your threads or posts with the moderators or Admins. Click the "member center" button at top and then click the "suggestions/compaint" button, to contact on. Include your screen name as well, so they can contact you back.

DjMessiah

Ok, I understand, sorry to ask. Is there any way we could start again, I'm happy to answer your questions, I just dont want this to turn into a he said she said post. As I already said, for one minute imagine that I am telling the truth, do you think this post is important then? I just want to talk to other people about this, people like you, but in a way where we can reach some sort of understanding. Maybe i'm over reacting a bit to your posts, but I feel under attack, like I'm doing something wrong, a dishonest person, which I really am not.

I am happy to talk to you on this post, I dont want to get into some argument with you, what you say is fine its just the constent quoting, as if tryimng to catch me out, disinform me, I understand you are trying to ascertain my credibility

[edit on 25-3-2007 by Ambergambler]

DJ Messiah:

You said John Lear as a credible source?

Just wanted to verify that you MEAN Joh Lear is a credible source?