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Peter said to Mary, "Sister, we know that the Saviour loved you more than the rest of women. Tell us the words of the Saviour which you remember - which you know (but) we do not, nor have we heard them." Mary answered and said, "What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you." And she began to speak to them these words: "I," she said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, 'Lord, I saw you today in a vision.' He answered and said to me, 'Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is the treasure.' I said to him, 'Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it through the soul or through the spirit?' The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...'
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"[S] it. And desire that, 'I did not see you descending, but now I see you ascending. Why do you lie, since you belong to me?' The soul answered and said, 'I saw you. You did not see me nor recognise me. I served you as a garment, and you did not know me.' When it had said this, it went away rejoicing greatly.
"Again it came to the third power, which is called ignorance. It (the power) questioned the soul saying, 'Where are you going? In wickedness are you bound. But you are bound; do not judge!' And the soul said, 'Why do you judge me although I have not judged? I was bound though I have not bound. I was not recognised. But I have recognised that the All is being dissolved, both the earthly (things) and the heavenly'.
When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, (which) took seven forms. The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the
fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven [powers] of wrath. They ask the soul, "Whence do you come, slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?" The soul answered and said, "What binds me has been slain, and what surrounds me has been overcome, and my desire has been ended and ignorance has died. In a [world] I was released from a world, [and] in a type from a heavenly type, and (from) the fetter of oblivion which is transient. From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence."
Originally posted by Gazrok
She was a prostitute, though not after she was with Jesus. At that time, she became the first "groupie" in history. Prostitutes do it for money....she did it for fun.
I'll bet he shared some "special" teachings with her....akin to how David Koresh shared "special" teachings with his 12 year old wives.... Not to compare Jesus with this con-man, as at least Jesus likely believed his own press....and supporters.
The early church only sought to distance the relationship between Jesus and Mary, as surely, the son of god wouldn't have a harlot out of wedlock! But, he did. Jesus was a free spirit, and a great man (though not the son of God), kind of the first hippie really....and such a connection wouldn't fly with the flock....
Originally posted by Gazrok
She was a prostitute, though not after she was with Jesus. At that time, she became the first "groupie" in history. Prostitutes do it for money....she did it for fun.
I'll bet he shared some "special" teachings with her....akin to how David Koresh shared "special" teachings with his 12 year old wives.... Not to compare Jesus with this con-man, as at least Jesus likely believed his own press....and supporters.
The early church only sought to distance the relationship between Jesus and Mary, as surely, the son of god wouldn't have a harlot out of wedlock! But, he did. Jesus was a free spirit, and a great man (though not the son of God), kind of the first hippie really....and such a connection wouldn't fly with the flock....
Originally posted by mystispice
I saw that program on TV as well I think it was on the history channel! It was called Banned from the Bible..
Originally posted by Gazrok
It's common sense....
A woman doesn't typically leave her rich benefactor just because of a "spiritual awakening".... She left because she fell for him. C'mon, don't tell me you seriously think she was going along with him for enlightenment, do you?
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Thank You for the prompt responce.
I have been doing some investigating on my own and came up with this article from the Washington Times that states that Mary was not even a prostitute (something that I definitely did not know)
www.washtimes.com...
I don't know the answer to this question but as of right now I lean to the idea that Jesus did not have intimate contact with Mary M. I will however be researching the issue more.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Never said anything was wrong with it.... Indeed, I'd say it was the logical conclusion.... Great article by the way....I'll have to investigate the other writings, to double check, (the reference to her husband at the time, etc.)
Problem is, the bible is the one which tries to maintain the purity of the relationship. A purity which directly flies in the face of logic...that is my angle, not to question whether her relationship with Jesus was right or wrong....
Originally posted by DaTruth
Have you ever wondered why certain books of the bible were left out?