Apparently Dr Bill Deagle has stated basically the following

"4th Generation Micro-Nukes were used in the destruction of the towers. Thermate alone could have never created a 1500F Rubble pile that stayed hot for 6 weeks thereafter. A super advanced form of nuclear weapon, upon detonation it emits a heat pulse up to 4 million degrees centigrade, causing the pillars of the towers to simply turn to dust."

He also has pointed some pretty direct fingers - stating that his high level NSA contacts have stated it was in effect a sub-contract job using Israeli Mossad Nuclear Technicians and Russian GRU agents.

He isn't saying that they were or weren't moved. He is saying what made the vehicles the way they are... Same goes in my thread but I am demanding pretty much a straight answer...

Since you Official story people have all the answers..

And before you spout off about debris you may want to look at my thread...

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by logicaltruth14

Originally posted by Sauron

did it ever occur to u that those cars where from ground zero and they were moved. think!!

Hey logicalthruth, did it ever occur to you to read the thread you are posting too?
You will see what I had said, I don't think anyone denies the fact that some vehicles had been moved.

It's assumed by some they where moved to get more first responders on site.




[edit on 30/4/2007 by Sauron]

If the destruction of the towers involved some type of high tech government nuclear device then we're really in trouble.

Looks like port Authority got their demo after all.

Where is all the concrete?

approx. 99% of the concrete was totally pulverised (that's over 250,000 tons of concrete). You would expect to find most of it stacked up in large slabs from a natural collapse.


What i find slightly more jarring is what happened to the steel! According to Port Authority they actually recovered 160,000 tons of the 200,000 tons of steel, but approx 14,000 tons of steel was 'too contaminated' to recycle and had to be buried. That leaves us with about 25,000 tons of steel that apparently vaporised during the collapse. Official studies of the dust cloud created by the collapse showed that it contained tiny specks of steel that were once beams and structural core elements from the building in the cloud.

I used to adhere pretty much to the DEW scenario, as I thought that it answered a few questions that nothing else could. Then, I began reading, in depth, the writings of Anonymous Physicist and am now convinced that small nukes, of a particular kind...he goes into the details as to how they work...had to be used to get the effects seen.

EMP blasts do NOT affect people. They affect metal and when a device like this goes off, it spews rays that are directional and vary according to many factors such as how much is in between objects, shielding, etc.

THAT is why we see cars exploding on fire, sometimes buring only to the doorframes. Leaving half untouched is a perfect example of EMP: The metal conduct the waves and a great charge is let out...but when it reaches the doorframe, it loses the conductivity and stops there. Line of sight helps make sure that some places and things are affected more than others.

There is a paramedic, a aldy, whose testimony told of her being injured by a door being blasted off of a car right in front of her....all of a sudden it just blew up and caught on fire. No people present were affected. Only cars and metal objects. This happened during the ' collapse' of Tower 2 and 6...and when the others were brought down similar effects were seen all around the area.

THIS IS SMOKING GUN EVIDENCE !!!!!!!! Think about it: ONLY EMP can be shown to cause the effects seen. Even DEW cannot answer this: People were not affected, and if it was DEW it would have ripped everything apart. We are water based and DEW causes heavy reactions in water as well as solids.

Small nukes, very specifically made to NOT burst thru the outer walls, but big enough to VAPORIZE the core steel. How else can buildings drop as if there is no resistance? The resistance was removed when the beams were heated so high that many are deformed and twisted and drooped, sure signs of temps far beyond thousands of degrees..and remember that many core beams are MISSING totally!! Vaporized.

Even a NIST note showed that a scientist remarked that he found prof of vaporization of steel, and evidence of even hotter temps due to finding other elements vaporized that had higher melting temps than steel!!

Anyone that tries to tell you that fires from jet fuel or kerosene or office fires can vaporize anything made of these metals is WRONG, and provably so. Vaporization is IMPOSSIBLE for the official story to sustain. They cannot explain it, so they just deny it!! Except they admit it also...it is there in print but the media never reports it.

Nukes explain the TOTAL dustification of virtually all of the concrete, PEOPLE, and other objects as proven. The gigantic clouds of ultrafine dust BLASTING UPWARDS at great velocity, closely resembling the pictures of nukes seen being tested out west.Nukes explain a lot.


1. Nukes explain: The pulverization of the concrete and other things reduced to micron size.

2. Nukes explain the extreme temps needed to vaporize steel over a large area. Thermite cannot burn forever, and could not cause the ground temps that stayed for months.

3. Nukes explain, as NOTHING else does, the toasted cars and trucks and exploding cars. EMP does not affect people, but does affect metals. No other explanation offered so far even comes close to maiking any sense given the facts.

4. Nukes explain the total removal and destruction of vast core members across a large span. Directed properly, these small devices do not make a large sound, as compared to large regular nukes, and explain perfectly what is seen as the Towers begin their death drop into dust.

In each case, a block of stories above the crash zone sits steady and firmly, and then from below it, large eruptionsare seen belching fire and smoke, and in one case the block tilts to one side and SHOULD have dropped over to the side and toppled over into the street. but it did not!! The block of stories STOPPED its momentum, and began dropping straight down onto the top of the remaining structure.

This is because ALL of the resistance below the FULCRUM point disappeared or became unable to bear any weight. The a stunning sight is seen: The block of stories, rather than remaing whole and slamming into the top of the structure and toppling over to one side or the other, simply ' entered the zone at the top of the strike area, and as it dropped it turned to dust!!

Think about that for a moment. The block seems to enter a shredding zone, as it were. As it drops, it does not cause the top of the structure left ( strike level and below ) to be affected hardly at all. Not until the block of stories has turned to dust does the remaining structure begin to erupt and blow up and outwards, spewing vast clouds of fine dust.

The core was reduced to virtual nothingness by a series of small nukes that had the effect of dustification of the concrete and almost all else, and we all have seen the other SMOKING GUN evidence of the SPIRE...a CORE structure that simply fell apart and turned to dust on camera. The steel had been heated so hot that it was unable to bear its own weight.

So, nukes can explain all the items that no other single answer can give.

EMP is the only way you can explain cars bursting apart and catching fire right next to people who are unaffected except for the damage from flying parts slamming into them and burns from being too close. DEW cannot do that....only nukes and EMP.

The Cheney gang has all the tools needed.What began as a plan far away was taken and used by the neocons.There is not a competent terrorist group on earth that Israel has not penetrated or taken over. The plan was to allow it and help it along to get the job done they wanted doing.Of course they had to provide all the equipment...after all, does Osama have nukes now ?

It is SO obvious what has happened to our nation. it is really sad...to think that they could get away with such blatant and obvious error in planning and not be called on it, ever in the press...it sickens me.

The perps knew that they had to risk some EMP damage, and all they could do is hope that a gullible public and a controlled media would not ask about the ' inexplicable anomalies ' that stink to high heaven...unless you put the lid on the garbage can, that is. It may mask the smell for a while, but when the lid comes off...

It is up to us to take the lid off, opne at a time.

possibly the petrol tanks had been ruptured by falling debris

Originally posted by richierich

EMP is the ONLY way to account for what is seen. The tired old ' falling debris' nonsense has been disproven SO many times...you really need to update your guesses to something realistic.

Let me get this straight.

You're advocating the possibility of a massive EMP pulse doing this, while at the same time leaving radios and video cameras intact.....

More conspiracy drivel....

Here are pictures of burning vehicles around WTC - they are within
2-3 blocks of the towers. Set on fire by burning debris from the
aircraft impacts or the collapse of the buildings.

Once a vehicle is set on fire it will ignite adjacent vehicles (called extension in firespeak) until runs outs of fuel

smg.photobucket.com...

The so called burned vehicles pictured blocks away were TOWED THERE
in days following 9/11 and parked under the FDR drive

Conspire to answer why the gas tanks on about half of those vehicles weren't burned out then.

The cars were moved there. Those pictures were taken several days later.