Tobacco and alcohol 'are more dangerous than LSD'

Kyanther, that story is a beaut!
'___' is like all these other drugs mentioned, a two edged sword.
I have myself done a reasonable quantiy of the stuff. as well tried many other psychotropics from mushrooms to chocolate.....
yes chocolate is psychotropic too,as is coffee,
'___' can be a perfect tool in the developement of spirituality(awareness of ones inner being and its ,connection to everything else )
But under other conditions can lead one into a personal hell that can last indefinately......
The same can be said of the others mentioned too.
but the heavy stuff mentioned IS destructive to the psyche regardless.
'___' is not nessessarily that way.
I remember flashbacks like standing at a crosswalk waiting for a light and the cars pulling up looked 50 ft long, and they didnt so much as pull up to the light and stop,but sort of slunk up to the stop line like they were cars made of rubber and moved like slinkys...
First the front end would come to a stop andn then the back would sort of catch up to it.
Thats about the intensity of any flash back activity,the odd meteor like spot darting around in the corner of my vision,but not for years now.............the average straight person is an idiot about these things

Originally posted by apc
Are those cannabis trichomes in your avatar?

yes...

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
These posts about "it messed my life up so nobody else should be able to use it, ever" are really starting to get under my skin.

Don't blame society for your own screwed-up physiology or inability to make a tough decision once and a while. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as responsible use of psychedelics.

Your life will get screwed up if you eat a double bacon cheeseburger every day, too. Saying '___' and Marijuana should be illegal because they can cause harm if abused is like saying we should lower all bridges to ten feet and slow all trains to 10mph to prevent suicides.

excellent point!!!

I decide what is good and not for me... not scientist inquisition or some monkeys in governments...

I know from my experience, if it weren't for cannabis I would probably
die/kill myself from depression...

The God Plant saved my life...

Thank You God Plant!



[edit on 25-3-2007 by untilted]

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
These posts about "it messed my life up so nobody else should be able to use it, ever" are really starting to get under my skin.

I am not sure if you are reffering (no pun intended) to my previous post or not, but if you are I would just like say that my post was describing my experience with drugs was just that a description of my experience and views based on this experience. Ultimately the choice is up to the individual.

I could also say:

These posts about "some drugs are not really that harmful and should be made legal" are really starting to get under my skin.

But I won't

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
Don't blame society for your own screwed-up physiology or inability to make a tough decision once and a while. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as responsible use of psychedelics.

Your life will get screwed up if you eat a double bacon cheeseburger every day, too. Saying '___' and Marijuana should be illegal because they can cause harm if abused is like saying we should lower all bridges to ten feet and slow all trains to 10mph to prevent suicides.

I can fully agree on that, nothing could be more right.

It's not up to me to judge whether I'm screwed up from drugs. I don't think so, but that my life would had taken another path if I hadn't is beyond doubt. And who can tell if that would had been for the better or worse.

I'm really happy to hear Dr. Hoffman still is alive and well, didn't know that.
I include a picture of him from 93, where he most have been 87. To me he sure looks well, strong and in balance.



Other prominent intellectuals who'd done acid includes Aldous Huxley, who wrote Doors of Perception about mescaline, but '___' was administered on his deathbed. It allegedly secures a peaceful passing.

Another --who beyond doubt is the person who've done most for its recognition-- is Timothy Leary, "th '___' guru" who for many years had to be in exile because of his advocating its use. He passed away on acid too.

I'm personally thankful to him, cause if it hadn't been for his album (record) "Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out" my first --and only 'real'-- trip might never had been the same gorgeous and fantastic one it was.


We actually studied things before we did them back then -- forty years ago.


[edit on 25-3-2007 by khunmoon]

Originally posted by sobolwolf

I am not sure if you are reffering (no pun intended) to my previous post or not, but if you are I would just like say that my post was describing my experience with drugs was just that a description of my experience and views based on this experience. Ultimately the choice is up to the individual.

Okay, first, I wasn't talking about your post in particular.

And second, I think I made myself pretty clear on where I stand regarding our tendency to legislate "safety". I don't care if something harmed you or not. I really don't.

I already said it once. You can f--- your life up with ANYTHING. Banning a handful of mind-altering chemicals will not stop people from using them, and it will not stop people from destroying their own minds with irresponsible doses in uncontrolled settings. What it WILL do is put people in jail, and that's all.

The way to prevent drugs from harming society is not to ban them and pretend they don't exist any more. It is to educate people on their safe and proper use, to exact proper controls over them so that they stay out of the hands of children. A blanket ban doesn't do anything except force the market underground and strip it of central safety regulations, and then cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars for their trouble.

You can't solve all the world's problems with laws. Sometimes you need real ideas, backed up with truth and compassion rather than force.

Kids blow their hands off with firecrackers all the time, yet you would advocate the removal of restrictions on explosives?

It's OK if someone wants to pick up some plastic explosives and blasting caps, so long as the only person that can get hurt is themselves. That right?

Don't be so... square.

Let's review the T&C:

2e.) Illegal Activity: Discussion of any illegal activities such as drug use, drug paraphernalia, hacking, sexual relations with minors, etc. are strictly forbidden.

While discussing the legality of drugs is within the T&C, discussion of it's personal use is not. Let's keep this topic within the confines of the T&C

Thanks.

Originally posted by khunmoon

Tobacco and alcohol 'are more dangerous than '___''

news.independent.co.uk

Alcohol and tobacco are more harmful than many illegal drugs including the hallucinogen '___' and the dance drug ecstasy, according to a new scale for assessing the dangers posed by recreational substances.

Drug specialists say the current system for ranking drugs - class A for the most dangerous to class C for the least dangerous, as set out in the Misuse of Drugs Act - is irrational, arbitrary and "lacking in transparency".

Scientific evidence shows that heroin and coc aine are correctly ranked as class A drugs as they do cause the most harm. But '___' and ecstasy come close to bottom of the league in terms of harm caused, yet they are also labelled as class A.

Alcohol is legal and widely used but comes fifth in the "harm" table, ahead of amphetamines and cannabis, which are ranked as class B and class C respectively. Tobacco is also ranked as more harmful than cannabis.

The league table of 20 drugs drawn up by drugs specialists is intended to provide a scientifically based model for policy makers of the harm they cause. It shows that the dangers they pose bear little relationship to the official classification, on which the penalties for drug use are based. The eight drugs ranked as most dangerous include two that are unclassified while the eight judged least dangerous include two class A drugs.

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Everything in moderation. The same with food, the more you eat the fatter you become. If you wan't to diet, have half the portion's that you would regularly have. It's quite simple really! Trouble is the human race is naturally greedy ( and nosey! ) You can't keep using kid's as an excuse either. Teach them well and they will succeed. There's no excuse for blaming life's problem's on drug's and bringing kid's into the argument!. It's true alcohol and tobacco are worse, but they are more abused than drug's cos they are legal. and have been for many years. Even with skunk, there must have been pyscological problem's in the first place and abuse of the drug exasperate's it! Sometime's it take's something like that to realise the problem in there is a problem with someone, that was'nt realised before. The next thing is money. If you have it you can afford to go to detox... well when your greed get's the better of you just pay and go to detox. As for the rest of us... make your own mind up!

You can't solve all the world's problems with laws. Sometimes you need real ideas, backed up with truth and compassion rather than force.

Enjoy your WATS vote

Very well put, your post describes how I feel exactly.

The War on (some) Drugs has done almost nothing to curb drug use, like Prohibition it's simply created a huge black market, with destructive side effects like a massive financial boost to organized crime, and the corruption and violence that entails.

Originally posted by happinness
Everything in moderation. The same with food, the more you eat the fatter you become. If you wan't to diet, have half the portion's that you would regularly have. It's quite simple really! Trouble is the human race is naturally greedy ( and nosey! ) You can't keep using kid's as an excuse either. Teach them well and they will succeed. There's no excuse for blaming life's problem's on drug's and bringing kid's into the argument!. It's true alcohol and tobacco are worse, but they are more abused than drug's cos they are legal. and have been for many years. Even with skunk, there must have been pyscological problem's in the first place and abuse of the drug exasperate's it! Sometime's it take's something like that to realise the problem in there is a problem with someone, that was'nt realised before. The next thing is money. If you have it you can afford to go to detox... well when your greed get's the better of you just pay and go to detox. As for the rest of us... make your own mind up!

Another thing that i have just thought of is why is alcohol and beer so cheep? I just saw an alcohlic with a 59p can of beer!

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[edit on 26-3-2007 by iceofspades]

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
These posts about "it messed my life up so nobody else should be able to use it, ever" are really starting to get under my skin.

Don't blame society for your own screwed-up physiology or inability to make a tough decision once and a while. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as responsible use of psychedelics.

Your life will get screwed up if you eat a double bacon cheeseburger every day, too. Saying '___' and Marijuana should be illegal because they can cause harm if abused is like saying we should lower all bridges to ten feet and slow all trains to 10mph to prevent suicides.

I have to second this (aside from the "screwed up physiology" comment).

I don't like religion. It stole 16 years of my life...years which still haunt me. Yet I do not believe I have any right to say others should not have the choice to go to church. It's their life---and hell, they may get something completely different out of the experience than I did.

That's the best metaphor I can come up with. It's not anyone's business if a person wants to ruin their life with drugs. If they are hurting another person directly, sure...maybe they should be helped (under the law), but what a person does within the confines of their own personal space and time is ABSOLUTELY none of my business, nor anyone else's.

I smoke tobacco. I know it's bad for me, but if I'm going to quit it's going to be on my own terms. I smoke privately...I'm truely not affecting the life of anyone else.

The government has no place intervening in the peaceful use of any drug--the parents do. That's one of the problems in our society--parents rely too much on the government and corporations to teach specific morals and totally deny their responsibility on many issues. We see this very clearly with obesity these days. The parents are more willing to blame 'The King' for their kids being fat than the example and rules they show them.