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posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Johnmike
Getting rid of the executive branch is moronic. The whole reason the country exists is to separate powers. America is NOT democracy, it is a republic, where law is supreme, not the mob. The executive branch must remain SEPARATE from the legislative to preserve the balance of power in the government.


I was talking about a global government, not the American government.




posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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And that changes what exactly?



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Johnmike
And that changes what exactly?


Several billion people for one.

A system for a country of a few hundred million, is not going to be
the best system for a planetary system of 6.6billion.

You assumed I was talking about the United States, when I was talk-
ing about a global government.

[edit on 3/26/2007 by iori_komei]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 09:32 PM
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NO

I do not think it is in the best interest of any of the nations involved.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 09:37 PM
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Absolutely, positively, 100% without a shadow of a doubt, I do not support the loss of American sovereignty.

I vote a big NO on the NAU!



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
A system for a country of a few hundred million, is not going to be
the best system for a planetary system of 6.6billion.

You assumed I was talking about the United States, when I was talk-
ing about a global government.


I'm afraid that you are right. A worldwide democratic-constitutional republic would not work on a global scale. It barely works in America. Actually, it doesn't even do that anymore, now that the banks own everything.

I feel that once America falls they will replace us with a more constraining and oppressive form of government that will allow them to maintain total control over the population.

There is a most eye opening book called, "The Seekers: The Story of Man's Continuing Quest to Understand His World" by Daniel Boorstin.
www.amazon.com...=pd_bbs_2/102-1057351-6210560?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174967136&sr= 1-2



In reading it, the most frieghtening truth was revealed to me. They control us by using our own thoughts against us. They will implement the same type of caste system form of control (enslavement), for limiting socio-economic mobility, that the Brahmin of India use to control thier population.

It's all about, just who gets to be free, folks.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 11:17 PM
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there's an obvious reason why democracy doesn't work, too many stupid people. democracy works off of the fact that all people deserve equal say, does it not?

well, why do i deserve the same say on economic policy as an economics professor?

we should have a democracy of the informed. if you specialize in something, then you get to have a say in it.

engineers, chemists, doctors, etc will have a say in science

economists, brokers, traders, etc will tackle economics

sociologists, psychologists, etc will take on societal issues

see where i'm going here?



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there's an obvious reason why democracy doesn't work, too many stupid people. democracy works off of the fact that all people deserve equal say, does it not?

well, why do i deserve the same say on economic policy as an economics professor?

see where i'm going here?


Perhaps you favor a monarchy or an oligarchy?

I think that maybe voting should be limited to landowners and those who serve in the military or peace corps.

Even, If we were able to get the money out of congress, the dark powers that be, would just find more undesirable methods to get what they wanted from elected officals. (i.e. Blackmail, extorsion, murder, kidnapping, etc)

In a way democracy has been a failed endevor.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 11:52 PM
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Madness wants a communist oligarchy. Basically, something that'll last for a month until it's used for tyranny.

I am a fierce opponent of a democracy.
The only true, safe, and effective form of government that successfully protects the rights of the individual is the republic.



posted on Mar, 26 2007 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by Johnmike
I am a fierce opponent of a democracy.
The only true, safe, and effective form of government that successfully protects the rights of the individual is the republic.


Does that opposition include the over throw of american democracy and replacing it with a bigger north american union republic?

[edit on 26-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Johnmike
I am a fierce opponent of a democracy.
The only true, safe, and effective form of government that successfully protects the rights of the individual is the republic.


Does that opposition include the over throw of american democracy and replacing it with a bigger north american union republic?

[edit on 26-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]


No, America is not a democracy, it is a republic. Law is supreme, and representatives are elected. A democracy, on the other hand... the purest show of democracy is a mob lynching.

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Johnmike]



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Johnmike
... the purest show of democracy is a mob lynching.


The suicide muslim bombers, that are headed west, are gonna have to take out some government welfare offices and TV/cable providers for the people to get motivated enough to do anything.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Johnmike
No, America is not a democracy, it is a republic.


Why even bother calling it a democracy, if it's really a republic? Seems like a little bit of bait and switch going on.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 08:21 PM
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Technically the United States is a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
But we don't really think of that, since we never call oursleves the
'United Constiutional Democratic Republic States of America' or some-
thing like that, it's a mouth-full to say.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 09:06 PM
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Not only would it be a mouthful, but generally speaking, countries that insist on making "Democratic Republic of (something or another)" their official name are trying to gloss over reality.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
Not only would it be a mouthful, but generally speaking, countries that insist on making "Democratic Republic of (something or another)" their official name are trying to gloss over reality.


Well that and the ones that have only recently become democracies,
like many places in Africa.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 10:37 PM
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OK so let's rephrase the question; do you favor replacing the American Constitutional Democratic Republic of America, with the North American Union Republic which would include the states of Canada and Mexico?

And since the new union would not be a democracy you wouldn't have to care about the people, kinda like what we got now, but without the facade of pretending to care.

[edit on 27-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
OK so let's rephrase the question; do you favor replacing the American Constitutional Democratic Republic of America, with the North American Union Republic which would include the states of Canada and Mexico?

And since the new union would not be a democracy you wouldn't have to care about the people, kinda like what we got now, but without the facade of pretending to care.

[edit on 27-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]


I support a North American Union, base don freedom and democracy
(preferably direct democracy), I don't support the form of government
the United States has now.



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
I support a North American Union ... I don't support the form of government the United States has now.


I wonder if a new North American Union government (A Republic hidden under the guise of democratic socialism), that was installed by the people, after the failure of the current American government would be a better path for the American people to follow?

After all, It might give us a chance to wipe the slate clean and start over.

Come to think of it, maybe thats exactly how they are going to do it. Mobilize the population and push them towards the desired outcome of a North American Union.


[edit on 27-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Mar, 27 2007 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
I wonder if a new North American Union government, that was installed by the people, after the failure of the current American government would be a better path for the American people to follow?


If it happened this week, I'm not that sure, but in 20 years or more into
the future, I think that a better system would be created.




After all, It might give us a chance to wipe the slate clean and start over.


Indeed it could, just don't let the conservative republicans know where
the meeting to draft the NAU constiution is.





Come to think of it, maybe thats exactly how they are going to do it. Mobilize the population and push them towards the desired outcome.


Well, if there were some malevolent force trying to create an authori-
tarian NAU, that would'nt exactly benefit them, as the people would
form a government/system completely opposite of what they want.





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