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reply posted on 25-3-2007 @ 06:59 AM by StellarX
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
mission to mars was a cool movie, but the face on mars was shown recently to have seriously eroded. The face was never more than a shadow.


I am getting so sick of threads that are started by people like Mike and responded to by people like you. Why he insists on creating new threads ( for no good reason at all ) only so you can deny the patently obvious is quite beyond me. Why do you refuse to do some ACTUAL research or are you happy just believing the consensus on any given topic that you have no personal interest in?

www.enterprisemission.com...

If you still believe that it's all just a 'big illusion' are you deluded and deluded in the worse of ways. If you can read trough that maybe you may arrive at opinion that carriers weight.

You have to think about the scale of the images you are looking at, and ask why they aren't perfect.


Why did?

If you are going to make a face the size of manhatten, why wouldn't it look like a face ? Why is it "kinda sorts in the right light" look like a face ?


It's hard to know what we are seing as long as NASA tampers with so many images and i have proven in the past that they frequently ( if not always) indulge in such activities.

Stellar


reply posted on 25-3-2007 @ 08:02 AM by Terapin
Yes, a face on Mars indeed. Much like the images one can imagine in clouds, the human brain is prewired to recognize faces with ease. What people fail to consider, is the geological sciences behind what they imagine. If one wishes to make the claim that the face is of alien origin, then one must provide supporting data. Simply claiming that aliens built it is not enough. Finding a face on Mars or any other planet is not at all extraordinary. Here are two more faces:

Here's looking at you
Howdy chief

Both of these easy to see faces are here on Earth. Based on your logic, I guess aliens must have made them as well. They are cool to look at, but are no more than natural formations caused by weathering erosion and well described geological processes.

Imagination is fine, but making wild claims without scientific analyses and supporting data, is a child's game not fit for serious discussion. There is a great deal of data available, yet no one seems to include any when making claims of alien structures on Mars. Simply pointing to an image, or multiple images, that "look like" something proves nothing. Failing to even attempt to provide supporting data shows lack of sincerity. Lets see mineralogical data, ground penetrating radar scans, evidence of soil disturbance typical of large scale projects, local support systems such as roads and machinery, etc. Of the thousands of images available I have yet to see anyone come up with anything extraordinary that demonstrates alien presence on Mars. There are some amazing images to be sure, but proof of ET, not yet. Having worked on projects related to the rover missions and the Chandra x-ray telescope satellite, I have a solid understanding of image data.

On ATS we are supposed to Deny Ignorance. There is a higher standard of evidence other than guessing games and imagination. Doesn't anyone study Geology anymore? Seeing a cube formed rock and calling it an anomaly??? What happened to science education? Sure, these are all cool images, but just because they may look like something, doesn't mean a thing.


reply posted on 25-3-2007 @ 09:56 AM by Terapin
Originally posted by mikesingh

Here on mother Earth with all the resources and data available, we still haven't even begun to understand who built the pyramids and how they were built. Conjectures and theories. The lines of Nazca? Again conjectures and theories. Stonehenge? Ditto! Chizenitza? Easter Island? Well, I can go on and on.

Hell, we haven't even begun to understand the puzzles here on Earth under our very noses! Then how on Earth do you expect scientific evidence from Mars?


Actually Mike, you are incorrect. We have a great deal of evidence and understanding about the structures you mentioned, how they were built and what their function was. Although I have not yet been to Stonehenge nor Easter Island, I am particularly fond of the Nazca lines and their useful star calendar function. There is significant data available that supports our understanding of them and the other sites you mentioned. No one will ever have ALL of the information simply because we were not there at the time of their construction. That does not mean that we don't understand their nature. Theories based on science and supporting data are valid. Theories based on imagination are not.

All of the information I have seen posted in this, and similar threads, rely entirely on the "It looks like," formula. Nothing more. The "Spanner" is a perfect example. There are many reasons to consider natural geological formation, yet in this thread it MUST be an alien artifact simply because someone imagines it to be. A general study of Earth based geological formations would indicate that it is not an extremely unusual bit of rock on another planets surface.

I, and many others, who understand geology, and have traveled enough to see different natural mineralogical and geological formations, understand this. Again I ask, why is it in these types of threads, simple conjecture without any supporting data, is taken as significant? The face in the clouds analogy holds true. Given the nature of the images and the ease in which the human brain attempts to create a matching neural image, it is simple to conclude that many will find images that "look like" something they are familiar with. If more people became familiar with geology and related earth sciences, more people would understand that the rocks you see, look like ... well...rocks.

If someone wishes to claim that they are alien artifacts, they must cite reasons and offer supporting data to give credence to their claim. Why does everyone fail to follow basic scientific principles when making extraordinary claims? Where is the supporting data? If someone would offer a logically presented theory, with supporting data, I would give them more credit, but when people say, "gee, those square rocks look like an anomaly to me," or, "that formation looks like a face," I can only conclude that they have no interest in getting to the truth. They simply wish to promote their belief without any care for reality. They also demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of the subject matter.


reply posted on 25-3-2007 @ 12:14 PM by ArMaP
Originally posted by zorgon
Taken from Pathfinder before Sojourner was deployed..



I am still looking for a better version or an original from NSAS. no luck so far though..

Maybe this one? It looks like the same, but without those "domes".





reply posted on 26-3-2007 @ 01:03 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by Terapin
...offer supporting data to give credence to their claim. Why does everyone fail to follow basic scientific principles when making extraordinary claims? Where is the supporting data? If someone would offer a logically presented theory, with supporting data, I would give them more credit. They simply wish to promote their belief without any care for reality. They also demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of the subject matter.


Uh Huh! Terapin, then why on Earth are we here on ATS in the first place? Why are we discussing UFOs? Stargates? Aliens and hundreds of other mysterious subjects? Where's the proof in all this? Where is the evidence? What you mean is that most of the posters here on ATS 'promote their beliefs without any care for reality' and zero evidence!!

So that means we just stop posting and discussing esoteric subjects like aliens and UFOs etc as these aren't backed by any evidence. Could be just pure imagination as there is no 'scientific' proof.

Similarly, according to your contention, discussion of anomalies in the Solar System is taboo for another five hundred years till we reach all the planets and start a 'scientific analysis' of these anomalies which will take another 5000 years to decipher!!

Till then we just poodle-fake and twiddle our thumbs. But probably that's enough time to figure out whether this darn universe really got started with a big bang!! So much for 'evidence' and 'scientific proof' in the 21st century!!!!

Wanna join me for a chilled beer to cool off? Cheers!

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