November 7, 2007. Election day.
The people rejected the president’s taking us into Iraq and to a Civil War. The president met with Speaker to be Pelosi at the White House. He
offered to be co-operative and appeared to be conciliatory in front of the tv camera. I faulted him for bad body language and his mannerism which
belied his words. Most people gave him the benefit of the doubt. I claim I was right from the get-go. He never intended to cooperate. He rejected
the ISG Report. No discussion. He did not consult on the Gates replacement for Rumsfled. He did not collaborate on the McConnell replacement for
Negroponte. He did not collaborate on the Surge which is up for 26,000 to 30,000. Bush43 claims he is the Decider, but he has yet to decide what to do
about Walter Reed Hospital
Eight US Attorney’s were fired by the Gonzales Justice Department. It is true the president can fire any of those 93 attorneys. For appropriate
cause. Politics is not an appropriate cause. It is also customary that at the beginning of each 4 years term of the president, all the US
attorneys’s tender their resignation. When a newly elected president of the opposite party takes office, it is customary that all the 93 US
attorney’s will be replaced by attorneys who have supported the newly elected president. But, after being approved, the US attorney’s all take an
oath to uphold the law of the land without showing favor to anyone.
This firing of US attorneys is a very bad precedent because it makes it appear the US attorneys are being used more for political motives and not for
fairly enforcing the law no matter who is involved. That is what we are losing if these firings for political reasons go unanswered. Our whole
justice system is impaired and endangered. So Karl Rove's buddy can get a job in Arkansas. Hmm?
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Well only the most naive people would have believed that either side was going to put partisan differences aside in order to put the interests of the
US first.
A Cape Canaveral-based company could find itself involved in the probe of problems at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
IAP Worldwide Services Inc., which came to Brevard County two years ago after acquiring Johnson Control World Services Inc., recently began a contract
to provide services at Walter Reed.
It would seem that it would be political suicide for the Bush admin to address the Walter Reed scandal. The Bush admin is already taking fire for
letting Corporate interests do jobs that the US military is perfectly capable of doing by itself.
The ISG study report was a joke a bunch of high school students could have reached the same conclusions after spending a few hours at a library.Gates
may not be Rummy but he is nothing more then just another mouth piece for the Bush admin. Bush caved to political pressure when he got rid of Rumsfeld
but otherwise nothing has changed.
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 Originally posted by xpert11
Well only the most naive people would have believed that either side was going to put partisan differences aside in order to put the interests of the
US first.
Very true. The whole idea of "bipatisanism" is a joke. If anyone thinks that both the Democrats and Republicans are going to put aside their
differences to do things for the benefit of everyone, you have another thing coming. There is no such "bird" as "bipartisanism." It's all a dog
and pony show to keep people confused. One that works quite well I may add.
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posted by SpeakerofTruth
posted by xpert11
Only the most naive people would have believed that either side was going to put partisan differences aside in order to put the interests of the US
first.
Very true. The whole idea of "bi-partisan" is a joke. If anyone thinks that both the Democrats and Republicans are going to put aside their
differences to do things for the benefit of everyone, you have another thing coming. There is no such "bird" as "bi-partisan." It's all a dog and
pony show to keep people confused. One that works quite well I may add. [Edited by Don W]
Yes but . . . Have there been any less acrimonious periods in our history? Again, yes, but that was a long time ago. In James Monroe’s bid for
re-election, 1824 I think, it was called an “Era of Good Feeling.” There was no opposition party candidate. Monroe received all the electoral
votes except 1, as I recall. Vaguely. Google 1824 election. I was a child in WW2, so my memory would not be good. It seems to me there was little or
none of the pervasive spitefulness so evident in the Clinton years.
I do know for a fact the WW2 Secretary of War- today’s Sec of Def - was a Republican specifically chosen by FDR to bring harmony into the war effort
as well as his talent.
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Originally posted by donwhite
Yes but . . . Have there been any less acrimonious periods in our history? Again, yes, but that was a long time ago. In James Monroe’s bid for
re-election, 1824 I think, it was called an “Era of Good Feeling.” There was no opposition party candidate. Monroe received all the electoral
votes except 1, as I recall. Vaguely. Google 1824 election. I was a child in WW2, so my memory would not be good. It seems to me there was little or
none of the pervasive spitefulness so evident in the Clinton years.
[edit on 3/22/2007 by donwhite]
Something you have got to take into account is that for whatever reason, after the presidency of Woodrow Wilson, the political climate in the United
States changed tremendously. Wilson was probably the last president we had that didn't really have ulterior motives.
Franklin D. Roosevelt-"Nothing in politics happens by accident. If it happens in politics, it was planned."
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Yup, Mr Speaker. You are right. Something happend. It was the 16th Amendment, perhaps the shortest amendment. The income tax amendment which
became law in 1913. It would take time to get the Internal Revenue Code and Internal Revenue Service up and running.
Prior to the 16th Amendment, the only sources of revenue for the US was the 1) sale or lease of land, 2) import duties - the US Con forbids export
duties - and 3) excise taxes. Like on whiskey and tobacco products. Recall from history the Fisk and Gould adventure in the 1880s when the two men
joined by J P Morgan tried to get a “lock” on the US gold supply. At that time it was said and maybe it was true, maybe not, but it was said J P
Morgan had more money than the United States government.
It was not until 1933 that the new economic theory known as Keynesian economics was applied to overcome the Great Depression. Scotsman Adam Smith
out, Englishman John Maynard Keynes in. To bring the national economy under Federal control, FDR outlawed gold as money and made it a crime to possess
it for that purpose. To encourage holders of gold coins to obey the law and turn in their gold coins, FDR offered a new price of $35 an ounce. The
standard price for gold had been $20 an ounce since before the Civil War. (William Jennings Bryan who had advocated cheap {plentiful} money was
vindicated.)
Sometime in the late 1960s, Nixon took us off silver as well so that now there is only one kind of money, fiat money, Federal Reserve Notes, bearing
green seals. Before then, there had also been Gold Certificates, with yellow seals, Silver certificates, showing blue seals, and United States Notes,
(IOUs) with Red seals.
Everything was changed by the16th Amendment. It was a new ball game. At the same time, 1913, the Federal Reserve System was created. This system of a
central bank, Federally regulated, but privately owned, is the means whereby the money supply is controlled. Banks buy money usually overnight. The
discount rate - i.e., “buy” $100 but get only $95 if the discount rate is 5% - sets the price of money and the rate of interest for almost
everything. (Alexander Hamilton who had founded the first central bank of the United States was vindicated.)
Note: Amend. 16. "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on income from whatever source derived . . “ End of Note.
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Don White, I can "buy" that. Pardon the pun. When one looks at the political from that time onwards, after Wilson's presidency, it becomes quite
noticeable that politicians started adhering to special interests groups. Of course, we all know that the banking system here n the United States has
a tremendous lobbyist mentality. So, we don't have to look far to figure out where the root of the cause lies.
Like the old saying goes, "Follow the money and from that trail you will find the culprits of all things rotten."
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