Mars - The next Earth?

I have a crazy theory. Earth and Mars are known as the twin planets, right? Even in ancient times there are references to another planet, the "twin" planet. But why? ...They're completely different. One is a frozen red planet with no obvious signs of life, the other a dying oasis...rich with life.

So what are the possibilities of Mars, being the opposite of Earth... what are the chances of "global warming" having the opposite effect on Mars?
It's common knowledge now that global warming isn't just an effect on Earth, but also other planets in our system (Mars, Pluto).
As one twin planet dies, the other comes to life. Perhaps thats how this whole thing was designed. Maybe in history, we went back and forth planets...avoiding extinction. Maybe thats the key to the mystery of Atlantis and all the other "lost" civilizations. They even left clues...we just never understood them! Perhaps these remnants of "structures" and "objects" some people see in the Mars pictures are from us, from our last "crossover".

I'm sure if we had read the clues earlier, our modern technology would have the capability to make these transitions -- If we don't already.

Of course, just a crazy theory... don't take it too seriously.
Any views?

Cheers,

Navieko

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Also, interesting to note all the news of Mars suddenly hitting mainstream. I think I read 3 or 4 reports on CNN just the last 2 weeks to do with Mars.

Maybe they're getting us ready? :O

Mate,

you definitely get my vote. I have been thinking the exact same thing you have and you beat me to posting it up here.

Yeah, as one planet heats up, the frozen CO2 and water melts and gets released thus making Mars habitable.

Abit like the ending in the movie Total Recal when they fire up those generators on Mars and CO2 and oxygen gets pumped into the atmosphere of Mars making it live again.

I might do some research on this as my next little pet project and report back. Hopefully other people can contribute to this, I think this theory does have potential.

Problem is, Mars doesn't have sufficient mass to retain a dense atmosphere, even if we somehow found a way to pipe in nitrogen and oxygen. We might adapt to the low gravity with relative ease, but we're not going to adapt to a lack of atmosphere. Beyond that, Mars has no electromagnetic field, which is necessary for deflecting potentially lethal solar activity.

Unfortunately, our best bet for colonizing Mars is going to be by tunneling underground for protection, and splitting the water molecules we find there for fuel and atmosphere. Even so, it'll take hundreds of years to make Mars a self-sustaining human colony... Unless we first genetically engineer our human colonists to breathe carbon dioxide, endure hard radiation and withstand sub-zero temperatures.

— Doc Velocity

sodom

i would say earth - the next mars

(sorry for the 1-liner)

sodom

Originally posted by Navieko
I have a crazy theory. Earth and Mars are known as the twin planets, right? Even in ancient times there are references to another planet, the "twin" planet. But why? ...

Because they are not, Venus AKA Morning Star, is known as Earth's twin. Its quite amazing really, Earth and Venus are very similar in size and distance from the sun but really thats where the similarities end. An interesting thing to note about Venus is that it is spinning in the opposite direction that the rest of the planets are, retrograde I believe it is called.

Ive had a quick look at the different types of twins and Id say that Venus and Earth are polar twins - same mum but different dads

Doc, you're speaking of Mars at it's current status.
My point was could the effects of this phenomenon we call "global warming", perhaps bring the planet back to life. First of all, right now we don't know really anything about the planet (unless of course you trust everything NASA/Mainstream tells us). But from the little that we do know, unlike Earth, it is a frozen planet. Therefore the effects of GW would have the opposite effect on Mars as it will Earth. The ice will melt, the atmosphere would become much more dense etc.

Beyond that we really don't know what will happen. Perhaps the conditions will gradually become more and more suitable for more complex life to grow. Trees, plants etc. We'd have to wait and see I guess.

Ah yes, Venus... I don't know perhaps thats a possibility aswell. To be honest I don't know much about the planet. The reason Mars was in my head is because of all the recent news popping up, mainstream and alternative.

Although if it's such a big improbability... why all the documentaries and talk from NASA about how it is infact very much possible to colonize Mars? The only difference in my theory is that I think it may happen naturally...and sooner than expected.



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Navieko,

Actually there are some far out there theory’s that Mars was at one time our (Humans) planet and we were moved here thousands of years ago. After our ancestors of coarse made it habitable i.e. killing off the dinosaurs etc. This could be why so many people are drawn to mars kind of ancestral missing home planted in our genome.

But of coarse its just a theory.

AlBeMeT

Well Venus is also known as the Morning Star which is also known as Lucifer, aint no secret that Venus has an atmosphere composed of carbon dioxide and sulfuric acid which of course makes it hotter than hell at 484 degrees Celsius.

In my mind If we understood how planets work, Venus would be my bet on terraforming, we would have to figure out how to make it spin faster though (among other things!) because a venusian day is longer than its year!

Nasa is talking about colonizing Mars because its the easiest, its the only planet we have probes on, its better understood. My bet if anything 'naturally' happens it will be with Venus, all that planet has to do is work up a magnetic field, vent out or absord all that sulfuric acid and carbon dioxide to reduce the greenhouse effect and BINGO a planet like ours! Perhaps

Well perhaps if theres some natural means of absorbing that much carbon dioxide... then yeah, but I definately don't see that happening to Venus for a good while.

The reason I think Mars has a better chance is because the carbon dioxide intake (from GW) would melt the ice. From then on, once enough ice has gone, a chain reaction begins. I will admit I'm certainly no expert in terraforming or any science for that matter. It's just the way I see it with the current knowledge I have.

Please explain why you think it wouldn't work, so I can have a better understanding.



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Originally posted by Navieko

Of course, just a crazy theory... don't take it too seriously.
Any views?

Cheers,

Navieko

[edit on 20/3/07 by Navieko]

Relax Nav, why do say it's a crazy theory? Doesn't the Big Bang theory sound crazy too? Black holes? Quasars, Pulsars? Nothings been proved yet. It's all conjecture. But what's sounds crazy today could be acceptable fact tomorrow! The only thing that stands between is 'proof'!

Hell! We don't even know for sure how the Moon got here or who built the pyramids! What we have are only theories. But if theories come from respectable scientists, it is more or less accepted as fact!

I had proposed a similar theory sometime ago. Have a peek and decide what you think. Check it out here...
You may find it interesting!!

Cheers!

The Earth has gone threw many...many....many climate alterations... ice ages.. warm periods.. at one point almost all of the United States, Canada and Europe was under water, along with much of the world. Nothing to fear here, just a natural cycle. "global warming" or more appropriately global climate shift has been used for political and financial gain off peoples ignorant fears.

Climates shift, the equator has even been known to move locations as the Earth alters its tilt, sea levels rise and fall.

Its all in Natural History if one where to take the time to look and study natural science instead of blurting out the first nonsense to cross their mind and think its factual.

There is no scientific base for the OP's claim.

Mars died because its core stopped moving, meaning no magnetic shield or strong gravitational field to hold a atmosphere.. Earths core will not cool to that point of stopping for a few more billion years.

Originally posted by mikesingh
Relax Nav, why do say it's a crazy theory? Doesn't the Big Bang theory sound crazy too? Black holes? Quasars, Pulsars? Nothings been proved yet. It's all conjecture. But what's sounds crazy today could be acceptable fact tomorrow! The only thing that stands between is 'proof'!

Hell! We don't even know for sure how the Moon got here or who built the pyramids! What we have are only theories. But if theories come from respectable scientists, it is more or less accepted as fact!

I had proposed a similar theory sometime ago. Have a peek and decide what you think. Check it out here...
You may find it interesting!!

Cheers!

Thanks for the kind words,

Your theory could definately well of happened, if not the story of our existence, than I'm sure somewhere in the infinate plane of existence, where there are infinate possibilities. It's for this reason I never delve too deep into how we came to be, as there are just literally endless possibilities.

My theory about Mars, if true, would be only the very beginning of the unravelling of our history. One step at a time.

Cheers,

Navieko

...it doesn’t have a spinning molten metal core. Therefore, no magnetic field to shield us from high energy particles streaming from Sol. We'd be baked alive (in a microwave oven kinda way).

Also, Mars can't hold an atmosphere as dense as earth for the same reason. These high energy particles would "erode" the atmosphere if they’re not diverted by a magnetic field.

Remember this, O fans of geothermal energy. Not a good idea to suck all the heat out of Earths mantle to keep feeding our technology addiction. (OMG, I sound like George Dubya. Please shoot me!)

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The Earth has gone threw many...many....many climate alterations... ice ages.. warm periods.. at one point almost all of the United States, Canada and Europe was under water, along with much of the world.

Nothing to fear here, just a natural cycle. "global warming" or more appropriately global climate shift has been used for political and financial gain off peoples ignorant fears.

Climates shift, the equator has even been known to move locations as the Earth alters its tilt, sea levels rise and fall.

I completely agree. I've been saying the same for awhile now...
Only in my theory, I believe it's a natural cause due to forces outside the planet Earth. And when I used the expression "dying Earth" I meant just the extinction of Humans (or atleast most) on the planet. Not the Earth's core going to a stop...

There is no scientific base for the OP's claim.

Mars died because its core stopped moving, meaning no magnetic shield or strong gravitational field to hold a atmosphere.. Earths core will not cool to that point of stopping for a few more billion years.

And this is my point... whats to say that the Mars core cannot start up once again? ...with perhaps the help of the recent warming phenomenon?

All I'm asking for is "scientific bases" to prove it not possible. Works both ways.

edit: Also I think I made it clear that I in no way claim this as "factual"... rather just a theory (as stated many times) to make conversation of.
Although I still havent been convinced my theory is not possible...

Its all in Natural History if one where to take the time to look and study natural science instead of blurting out the first nonsense to cross their mind and think its factual.

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mars is a dead planet, it was once Earth like, maybe not habitable but it had water that was liquid. only problem is that it hasn't got a magnetic field which is important when wanting a habitable planet

venus was the same, though maybe a bit different but it had Earth like qualities such as a magnetic field. if i would choose a planet to make habitable i would choose that, only problem is that it is rather close to the sun which is no good.

and as for Earth dying, of cause it is but it wont die any time soon i don't think. i think it still has some life left in it.

And what about John Lear's take on Mars and Venus? Tells quite a different story... Not saying I buy it but I don't deny it either...

The general feeling among scientists is that radioactive decay is responsible for the heat that keeps the earth’s core hot enough to stay plastic enough to keep a magnetic field going.

Climate change on the surface of Mars would probably not be enough to get its core warm enough.

I'd expect a handful of "Brilliant" humans to consider using thermonuclear explosions to get it going again.

I mean, the human race seems to think that blowing s**t up is the solution to everything.

Originally posted by Navieko

Please explain why you think it wouldn't work, so I can have a better understanding.

Ok, Ill explain myself, its not that I disagree with your theory, you said yourself that Mars is all famous right now and even misnamed it as the twin of Earth, probably because it makes quick sense.

I think your theory is great, I just dont agree with the Mars bit. Why I go Venus? Imagine if Earth's Super volcanos were to erupt? I mean all go off and stay active, gassing CO2 and SO2, just like Venus. Perhaps Venus is what Earth was like at some stage in its history? Maybe Venus is baking in its own oven, like a pregnancy. Venus is the only planet known that lacks an intrinsic magnetic field but has an Induced magnetic field - the planet is still protected from solar wind!



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Even though Venus has no appreciable magnetic field, the solar wind is prevented from reaching the surface by Venus's dense atmosphere and by electrical currents induced in its conducting ionosphere. The planet has a well-developed bow shock, but it does not have belts of trapped particles. Both the ionosphere and the extended corona of hot gas, derived from the upper atmosphere, help to divert the solar wind.

Anyway, my Venus input is just food for thought, my advice is to try not to get bogged down to one idea, it can be limiting and we end up associating ourselves with it; ego + idea = clouded understanding.