Why won't people listen? (Top 3)

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posted on Mar, 19 2007 @ 10:08 AM
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Being a CT, it is often hard to make yourself clear and talk to the finish without having to deal with other (stupid/blind/helpless) peoples faces when they think you are out of your freaking mind. Thinking of all the conspiracies, and things alike, takes alot of my time and energy and it doesn't help much that the great majority of the population disagrees. When displaying what you have been investigating you often go through a number of moods; anger for them not understanding, feeling sorry for them not opening their eyes, feeling helpless and lost for dealing with all these clogged ears...and so on. Most of you know all too well what I am coming to here so I won't keep babbeling about it...

So what's this thread about? Well, we all have our upmost favourite conspiracies that we just can't stop trying to inform people about, no matter what the response. I would like for YOU to post your 3 most important conspiracies/issues that you just can believe why people won't understand and take some sort or action against.

My top 3;

1. H.A.A.R.P
(must be stopped at all costs! Read books, mail your congressman, demonstrate! Study and recognize this threat! Please, be as insomnic and fanatic as me about it! Damn it, it's OUR planet, not "theirs"!)

2. MK-ULTRA/MK-DELTA (and other programs related to it.)
(this is so much a confirmed conspiracy! What worries me is that it might very likely still be in operation! We can't just let this one pass and think, "nah, they said that they were sorry for it". This is a sereious abuse of human rights and it is freaking disgusting, sick and wierd!)

3. Operation PAPERCLIP
(this conspiracy formed our nations in many ways. Nations formed through forgiving nazi-scientists with so much blood on their hands it's stupid. Ice-cold, systematic, greedy thoughts of power. The nazis did not lose the war, they just picked up their stuff and moved).

These are my top 3. Of course I know alot more, but those I can not prove so about them I keep my mouth shut when amongst people.

So, take you shot, tell us which three you, often in vain, keep pounding into peoples heads.

Oh, in my oppinion, pie-throwing each other over this topic is ok. Mods might disagree.




posted on Mar, 19 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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1. The banking system and the slave economy we live in.

2. The cover-up of ET, UFO and free energy technologies by a "shadow government" that operates under its own laws and doesnt have to answer to anyone.

3. 9/11, JFK and other horrendous acts carried out to push the agenda of these evil people who seek only to control and dominate.



posted on Mar, 19 2007 @ 02:55 PM
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I agree with you Raud, it is disgusting and its more likely than not that MK ULTRA is still in operation, I mean why wouldnt it be? if it was indeed successful then it would be another tool for use, dont believe its gone for one second because any nation, government or group etc had such technology available to them they would not dismiss it. PAPERCLIP, come on how blatant is that, personally I believe it only reaffirms conspiracies suggesting that everyone was in on WW2 eg the US UK & Germany it benefited everyone of these nations one way or another, not the people but the coffers at least, apart from the sympathy used to create a country by stealing the land of the very much loathed Islamic world of today. HAARP is a topic I have not been so hot on, I believe that it is an issue I just havent ever got round to doing some proper reading on it.

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posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by marcopolo: PAPERCLIP, come on how blatant is that...


Hey man, how dare you critizise me?!

Just kidding.


What I mean about Paperclip is that the general oppinion is that US intervened, finished the war, put the guilty behind bars and that was that. It is this kind of knowlegde that people in general have. That is wrong. I don't say that everyone was in on WWII, I just say that behind the scenes things happened that were totally outrageous. War criminals of great proportions, who operated death camps, who tortured and slayed hundreds of thousands just got away because the "liberators" saw an opportunity. It was the realization of their wettest dreams. Now they could apprehend this knowledge without the blood on THEIR hands. Alot of sick bastards got away with not even as much as a proper questioning. Many people died because of them and their sick experiments and labor-til-death installations (like the ones from where the V1 and V2-rocket emerged). This also has links to the MK programs which were supervised and executed by crazy ol' nazi scientists. It bothers me. At the same time as the americans shipped these people out they granted the soviets all the land they asked for as long as the questions why were left out. So, this way the great easten block was allowed to be built. If we had known what was going on hard-core evil nazis would have paid for their dues and the great soviet union could have been limited to some degree, furthur preventing the torture and oppression of people in occupied countries.
It was a no-fair deal that should not have stayed in the dark. But as we all know, the winners of the wars writes the history their own way.

That is why. Call it blatant if you want.

And yeah, I saw that movie "The Good German" but I had already studied Paperclip before that, I promise. Good movie though.

Btw, I think all of my top-three has a link;
Nazi scientist shipped to the US, starting up numerous programs, like the MK-ULTRA for instance, which in our days culminates into a horrific piece of machinery known as H.A.A.R.P

(Edited for fixing of bad grammar)

[edit on 20-3-2007 by Raud]



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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those who dont read about conspiracy`s allways tells me when i talk about it that i should not blame my own problems on the government and thats allso the reason why the rapper immortal technique dont have so many fans and never gon be mainstream cuz hes talkin about real things like new world order and illuminati and people just critizice him cuz they are walkin blind and wont c the truth whats really happens around them



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Raud

Originally posted by marcopolo: PAPERCLIP, come on how blatant is that...


Hey man, how dare you critizise me?!

Just kidding.


What I mean about Paperclip is that the general oppinion is that US intervened, finished the war, put the guilty behind bars and that was that. It is this kind of knowlegde that people in general have. That is wrong. I don't say that everyone was in on WWII, I just say that behind the scenes things happened that were totally outrageous. War criminals of great proportions, who operated death camps, who tortured and slayed hundreds of thousands just got away because the "liberators" saw an opportunity. It was the realization of their wettest dreams. Now they could apprehend this knowledge without the blood on THEIR hands. Alot of sick bastards got away with not even as much as a proper questioning. Many people died because of them and their sick experiments and labor-til-death installations (like the ones from where the V1 and V2-rocket emerged). This also has links to the MK programs which were supervised and executed by crazy ol' nazi scientists. It bothers me. At the same time as the americans shipped these people out they granted the soviets all the land they asked for as long as the questions why were left out. So, this way the great easten block was allowed to be built. If we had known what was going on hard-core evil nazis would have paid for their dues and the great soviet union could have been limited to some degree, furthur preventing the torture and oppression of people in occupied countries.
It was a no-fair deal that should not have stayed in the dark. But as we all know, the winners of the wars writes the history their own way.

That is why. Call it blatant if you want.

And yeah, I saw that movie "The Good German" but I had already studied Paperclip before that, I promise. Good movie though.

Btw, I think all of my top-three has a link;
Nazi scientist shipped to the US, starting up numerous programs, like the MK-ULTRA for instance, which in our days culminates into a horrific piece of machinery known as H.A.A.R.P

(Edited for fixing of bad grammar)

[edit on 20-3-2007 by Raud]



Hey how do ya do, I think you misinterpreted what I said I was agreeing with you! what youve said at the bottom of your post I agree with too, certainly is on par with the intelligient & devious psychology of a NAZI "scientist".



posted on Mar, 21 2007 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by marcopolo
Hey how do ya do, I think you misinterpreted what I said I was agreeing with you! what youve said at the bottom of your post I agree with too, certainly is on par with the intelligient & devious psychology of a NAZI "scientist".


Yeah, I think I just did. Sorry about that. Got a bit confused by the word "blatant", but now, as I looked up it's meaning, it all makes perfect sense to me (enligsh is not my first language).

Well, brother, I think we got ourselves a two-man army. Pick the torches.
(Will the NSA know I wrote that?)


Hey, if you wanna get a crash-course on H.A.A.R.P check this out; www.conspriacyarchive.com...

(edited for add-ons)

[edit on 21-3-2007 by Raud]



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 08:49 AM
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1) consensus reality:
Its a shame that we live in a world where things are often seen as black or white.
And science and religion ignorantly presume that they are right....
In reality they only have a perspective.... and that is it....end of story.....
My biggest conspiracy bug bear is the nature of the "mind prisons" we currently as a society find our selves in.... Prisons whos walls define what ideas, topics, passtimes and endevours are crazy and which are not ETC.....

This field is a huge one as it obviously encompasses many many seperate fields and sub-conspiracies....
But it is profoundly important that people begin to change the way they think and expand their possibilities and the options they have personally and thus what we all have access to globally.

2) Would be the occult (hidden) nature and of the universe and of man.
I think much knowledge is being supressed in relation to the real nature of conciousness......
This again is a big multi faceted topic. IT takes in religion and how i believe they are all designed be it deliberately and or unwittingly (be it at the same time by different individuals) to actually "hog tie" man to the physical plane and deny him the evolution of his very conciousness... which this information can provide or at least help facilitate....
And this topic also covers the over lap between religion and science....and the fact that these to fields of endevour are seen as seperate is merely due to our currently missing a few big peices of the puzzle... but that this will not always be so....

3) the whold ET cover up thing....

Good day....



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Slickinfinity
1. The banking system and the slave economy we live in.


I hear you. When you think about it, or at least when I think about it, I find myself often grasping for air. Suffocating desperation.



Originally posted by morphonius821
1) consensus reality:
Its a shame that we live in a world where things are often seen as black or white.
And science and religion ignorantly presume that they are right....
In reality they only have a perspective.... and that is it....end of story.....
My biggest conspiracy bug bear is the nature of the "mind prisons" we currently as a society find our selves in.... Prisons whos walls define what ideas, topics, passtimes and endevours are crazy and which are not ETC.....

This field is a huge one as it obviously encompasses many many seperate fields and sub-conspiracies....
But it is profoundly important that people begin to change the way they think and expand their possibilities and the options they have personally and thus what we all have access to globally.

2) Would be the occult (hidden) nature and of the universe and of man.
I think much knowledge is being supressed in relation to the real nature of conciousness......
This again is a big multi faceted topic. IT takes in religion and how i believe they are all designed be it deliberately and or unwittingly (be it at the same time by different individuals) to actually "hog tie" man to the physical plane and deny him the evolution of his very conciousness... which this information can provide or at least help facilitate....
And this topic also covers the over lap between religion and science....and the fact that these to fields of endevour are seen as seperate is merely due to our currently missing a few big peices of the puzzle... but that this will not always be so....

3) the whold ET cover up thing....

Good day....


Highly intellegent post! Somewhat comforting to read that there are some "real" individuals left on this planet. I must say that it seems like you have come very far in your awareness. Especially no.1 catches my interrest. You put words on thoughts I only had as emotions, not as concrete thought-patterns, if you understand me.

Keep posting. Don't drown in this festering death-pool know as "everyday life".



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 03:55 AM
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I'm hoping this thread gets moving again.

I believe in these conspiracies.

1. Paperclip....executed by the CIA, Vatican to bring Nazis into U.S. and Canada.

2. MKULTRA (Bluebird later named Artichoke, Bluebook, MKRresearch, MKNAOMI, MKDELTA....etc.)

3. Not just HAARP but also the corporations that are now selling implant devices for people to use against others.

These are all factual. I keep hoping more people stop themselves from being brainwashed to believe it's okay as long as they don't think that they'll be affected by it. Wake-up!!!!!!! Since the American government has perpetrated all these projects and nobody cares about it, why wouldn't they just keep these projects and others going!?

I realize a lot of people want to close their ears and eyes to the truth, but it can only get worse before it gets better. I have stated on other sites that I'm a victim of electronic monitoring, it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, the fact that I am still remains true. I was born in 1953.

Technology will only get better and better. Every person in every country has to take a real hard look at this issue!



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 04:11 AM
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They dont listen because they have been conditioned to believe that conspiracy theorists are crazy. Sure, they will sit there 10 years from now and say "oh, maybe we should have listened?" but then it will be too late.

I believe the largest threat of all time is the north american union which will make you compete with the mexicans for jobs, and hence your salaries will go down to pennies, all while the corporations earn the big bucks. People probably wont wake up to this reality before its too late though. As always.

ATS thread about it here, if you are interested.


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posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 04:44 AM
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Hi Copernicus,

Saw the video.....my reply is on your North American Union thread.

Rubyteacup



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 09:42 AM
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1/ Keeping free energy away from us.
2/the illusion of freedom(the money jail)
3/the possible death of our souls.
I'm worried about if our spirit is being kept like this with no spirituality and mind expansion for long it may just disappear from existence. Which is much more scary than dieing. In this you have no way to ever experience anything in any dimension, on any plane, ever again.



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Rubyteacup


Hi Copernicus,

Saw the video.....my reply is on your North American Union thread.

Rubyteacup


Thanks, ive replied.


I dont know why I dont get much attention to my threads. Both that one and the disclosure project one are very significant to the future of americans and humans on this planet. Isnt it interesting that the president himself is denied access to the ufo projects?

Then again, I cant control what people put their interest in.



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posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 10:00 AM
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Here is the answer to all, the reason why is simple. People in general, are more comfortable within their preconcieved and prefer to live within the world they created. Self delusion is made easier when the major media in conjuntion with the fed big brother always say what they want to hear.

To live in ones own little world, compared tothe vast real world is easier an safer in their minds. Why worry about the world around them, when "nothing" they can do wll make a difference......

See that is the problem, TOO many people feel they can not make a difference so it don't. If every one believed elephants could fly, they could. But that is not the case.

Another issue is, many people feel that "it wont happen to me...", that is a huge misconception, because it could, Mr. Murphy is not very far, and pops in from time to time in every ones lives. Some more than others.
But when the majority don't want to hear what takes away fromtheir comfort zone, and disrupts the world they would rather see, and be blind to the real world, it don't help.

See I feel that the 2012 theory, is not about a mass spiritual or mystical "awakening", but more of a WAKE UP call to the real world and how it truely effects those who were blind to such.
It is going to take another disaster, much worse than what has occured, and beyond imagination to bring that wake up call to order. When it does happen, and it will, eventually people trapped in these bubbles of theirs will see beyond the illusion, and realise the enviornment for what it is.

Until that happens.....



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
It is going to take another disaster, much worse than what has occured, and beyond imagination to bring that wake up call to order. When it does happen, and it will, eventually people trapped in these bubbles of theirs will see beyond the illusion, and realise the enviornment for what it is.
Until that happens.....


I agree ppl today have gotten too used to this power contest. Some probably couldn't even live with out ordering someone around. As long as there are ppl like that we're headed for destruction. We have to learn to help each other. Not to use each other for profit. As long as we keep this charade up and worship money like we do....BOOM!!!! rude awakening time.
We've gotten off on the wrong track and as much as i would like to believe we could change ASAP it aint gonna happen. People love their SUV's and such; the greed is running too strong in present days peoples veins. We unfortunately are gonna have to have this stuff ripped from our hands and learn to live with out it. And when that happens we will love it.
I say Good -buy to the industrial age. And hello to the age of the mind.



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 01:42 PM
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To me it is all about the distance between the fear that people suffer and the way the blindly accept what they are told. Turn over and then go back to sleep - it is all OK. My top 3 is as follows:

1) The so called 'War on terrorism' and the belief in the concept of 'global terrorism. Seems like a convienient place to hang the 'boogey man hat' now that the commies are no more. Meets all kinds of peoples ends except for the poor buggers who have to fight it.

2) The rise of radical religion - Considering that most radical religions are up in arms about the state of the world at the moment, it is amazing how many of them are involved in making it that way and filling their boots enjoying the 'fruits' of it all.

3) A NWO - Maybe not the more lurid parts of it (reptiles, UFOs and satanism) but I can definitely belive that there is a body above all democratic and legal measures that is manipulating the world and geo-politics to come up with an answer that suits the minority and not the majority.



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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man i agree 100% with everything in this thread, almost everything. I try to spread the message of waking up and realizing this world isnt right, i have 2 really good friends, best friends in fact, and i see the majority of the population within them. Every time i try to talk about what is really going on in the world, they just roll their eyes, i mean i sent countless vids and documents for them to read, even zeitgeist and they still didn't even look at it. I told one of them that zeitgeist was about 2 hours long and his eyes just exploded "2 hours!!!! im not watching that for 2 hours", i was just like wtf man this is your future you gotta start waking up. Eventually they just went back to their halo 3, and Wow. It is really sad, even sadder when they start saying that they are gonna be rich one day and have all the hoes and money...i feel sorry for them for not realizing the true meaning in life, and the truth of the world around them.

I am a conspiracy theorists, it is my anit-nwo...



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
See I feel that the 2012 theory, is not about a mass spiritual or mystical "awakening", but more of a WAKE UP call to the real world and how it truely effects those who were blind to such.
It is going to take another disaster, much worse than what has occured, and beyond imagination to bring that wake up call to order. When it does happen, and it will, eventually people trapped in these bubbles of theirs will see beyond the illusion, and realise the enviornment for what it is.


I have had similar thoughts, but then I remembered this is human kind we are talking about. Unless the disaster destroys the entire civilization, the ones remaining wont change their ways. Entire nations can drop into the sea, and people not affected by it wont make any changes because it doesnt affect them.

We already have catastrophes happening all over the world, but as long as it doesnt happen here in our western society or the USA, its just another news report quickly forgotten.

I realize this is kind of a harsh view of human kind, but I feel it comes from experience. We dont care when our bombs kill people across the planet either.

And if these disasters destroys all cities on the planet and puts human kind back in the stone age, the future generations will quickly forget the lession. Remember Mayans and how much we care about their teachings today? Not much right? It becomes interesting only because of the prophecies of impending doom. Then we listen.

So... I guess we'll see what happens, but human kind learning from mistakes is something I unfortunately have a hard time believing. Unless we really get that "spiritual enlightening" and start to change our ways because of that. That could work.



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posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 10:31 PM
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Most people don't want to take responsibility for their actions....it was always the other guy that did it. I agree with the person who mentioned "people living in their safe little bubble." These days many individuals will try to get away with whatever they can.

Each person should be accountable to themselves first.....and many don't even want to think about that. I'm older but like some of the things Copernicus said, "it's from experience," and from my experience I feel that young and old alike are acting as mature as a 14 or 15 year old, perhaps even younger.

I understand that it can be frightening to think about all the bad things in the world, but unfortunately, if we don't, whether it be the U.S. govt. or another country or the Vatican, etc. .....we will all be paying a terrible price in the future!!!!!!!!





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