This just in... from Iraq

Merry Christmas, mom and dad. Johnny won't be coming home. At least not alive. He got blown to bits this morning with two other soldiers on the outskirts of Baghdad. By the way, Bechtel and Halliburton thank you for your son's service.

Now that was just assinine, i don't agree with this war but i'm rather appalled that you'd be so inconsiderate of peoples feelings at this time of year.

SCREW Helliburton!

The most dispicable business practice regurgetated!


Proliferation of war, for the exclusive rights to rebuild.

Mommy and Daddy will be so upset they'll convert... screw this Christianity thing they'll say. We celebrate the birthday of Christ and pray to Jesus and THIS is what Jesus allows to happen? "Man if the 2nd coming is any time soon he won't be crucified this time... I'll personally shoot his ass" -said Daddy in anger.

-Mommy collapses on the floor as the dog commits suicide.

But you know, the son made a decision to go to this bullsh1t fake war on a fake threat for a fake reason fighting for a FAKE (illegally imposed) government.... what did he expect? Oh he was a patriot and believed everything the government told him you say? Well wishfull thinking will get you EVERY TIME. All people of any religion are believers... they are ALL wishful thinkers who belief someone on their word just cuz they're afraid that the person may be right. Shame on them That will get ya EVERY TIME! These are words of wisdom, remember them!

Grim, but nonetheless true and shockingly relevent, EastCoastKid......
I dont much think that its an inconsiderate point of view as blunt as it was. But to most people blunt=inconsiderate.......
intersting........

Originally posted by lilblam

But you know, the son made a decision to go to this bullsh1t fake war on a fake threat for a fake reason fighting for a FAKE (illegally imposed) government.... what did he expect? Oh he was a patriot and believed everything the government told him you say? Well wishfull thinking will get you EVERY TIME. All people of any religion are believers... they are ALL wishful thinkers who belief someone on their word just cuz they're afraid that the person may be right. Shame on them

That will get ya EVERY TIME! These are words of wisdom, remember them!

A letter posted by Michael Moore at his website michaelmoore.com. I'm posting the entire letter here rather than linking as I think its best to read it within the context of this thread....its very interesting.

Dear Mr. Moore:

I�m writing this without knowing if it�ll ever get to you. I�m writing it not knowing why, or knowing what I�m going to say. I�m writing it not knowing if I�ll ever finish it or mail it. I�m writing it from the trenches of a war (that�s still going on,) not knowing why I�m here or when I�m leaving. I�ve toppled statues and vandalized portraits, while wearing an American flag on my sleeve, and struggling to learn how to understand.

I was in Vindanza, Italy when I heard your Oscar acceptance speech. It was the day before I boarded a plane and experienced a �combat landing� in uncharted territory in northern Iraq. It was such a surreal feeling�the only light came from a red bulb�we sat shoulder to shoulder in silence. We were told to expect heavy artillery/chemical attacks. I can�t say I know what was on the minds of those men packed next to me, but I assume it was thoughts of family and religion. But me, a single 20 year old, I was thinking about what you had said. I joined the army as soon as I was eligible � turned down a writing scholarship to a state university, eager to serve my country, ready to die for the ideals I fell in love with. Two years later I found myself moments away from a landing onto a pitch black airstrip, ready to charge into a country I didn't believe I belonged in, with your words repeating in my head.

My time in Iraq has always involved finding things to convince myself that I can be proud of my actions; that I was a part of something just. But no matter what pro-war argument I came up with, I pictured my smirking commander-in-chief, thinking he was fooling a nation. I discovered that the result of the war and the actions of G.W. cannot be treated as the same issue. Bush accidentally did a good thing for the Iraqi people. After the fact he's starting to claim humanitarian intentions for going to war - obviously bull#. But he realizes that that is the only positive outcome. I could explain what I've seen here; a people forced into poverty & ignorance � but I'll spare you. I try not to think about the ultimate future of this place. I'm sure we'll cause them to fall victim to Banana Republic and Joe Millionaire, with a puppet president and monopolized oil industry. But there will be plenty of time in the future to worry about those things.

I can't say I know what I believe. I am willing to accept that my opinions are a result of a given subconscious, not sufficient knowledge. Do I support care for the low income class because I truly understand the system, or because I've personified inadequacies and identified with those who experience struggle. Does a conservative oppose gay rights because he genuinely understands the issue or because he's scared to face deeper levels of humanity? What if you could be given a reason for everything you believe, but the reason is unrelated to the topic � the result of a life and a psyche? Will we believe those things the same way we used to? I call myself a liberal because I've been moved to tears by the words of Paul Wellstone, scenes in "The Awful Truth," the funeral of Matthew Sheppard, and the homeless people in the city I once lived in. It's not what I know, it's what I felt. It's dangerous to rely on emotions to guide your moral compass � but it�s the only way to be honest. I understand everything I believe may be wrong; that I believe for a reason, and that reason may not be reality. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. Maybe just that I can't look at this war politically. I can only look at it as an experience that has taught me that life is dictated by seconds and inches; one that has caused me to face death and loss and fear. And at its core, stripped of the WMD's and no-contest contracts, it's been about one thing: serving my country. The most difficult thing has been learning how to be proud of that. This country, I'm serving,�is it America? Has it ever been? It's always bothered me that, despite the American philosophy, it became NECESSARY for a civil right movement, it became NECESSARY to form the ACLU. I've simultaneously battled Saddam loyalists and these questions. Kind of an odd setting for suddenly doubting my patriotism. But while my fight with those trying to kill my friends & I is far from ending, the fight within myself has ended.

I found what I've been fighting for. It's been you, all along. I hated you on a plane ride in the dark with shaking hands. But you've been the roof of my loyalty, my bravery, and my dignity. Mr. Moore, you are America. This isn't a "I'm a hip liberal & I'll be cool if I get an autographed copy of Stupid White Men" letter. I've faced every weapon, from SCUDs to swords, and I've had to face why. And you've been the answer. I'm serving a country in which you live; where you're allowed to speak and PEOPLE LISTEN; where you're allowed to write and PEOPLE READ. What a beautiful country � every injustice has a prosecutor � every struggle has a defender. We are still a country being born. Compassion will never lose to conservatism�the country could be ruled by Jerry Falwell and Dick Cheney � but there will always be tears, as long as there is injustice and oppression and greed and hypocrisy. And there will always be you, the people you've taught, the lives you've influenced. You reminded me that America exists, and I suppose this letter is meant to thank you for that. I can't explain the pride you've instilled in me, and the comfort you've given me, to know that if I find myself fallen on the battlefield, I gave my life serving something I loved and truly believed in.

Sincerely,
Mike Prysner

Originally posted by Nerdling
Now that was just assinine, i don't agree with this war but i'm rather appalled that you'd be so inconsiderate of peoples feelings at this time of year.

Nerdling,
Are you drunk? You took it the wrong way. It is the Bush administration who so callously throws away the lives of our soldiers. They are nothing but numbers to monsters like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. It is they who are insensitive.

However, if I have offended anyone who has family members or friends over there, I sincerely apologize. You and your soldiers, sailors and airmen have my prayers and deepest sympathies.

Originally posted by lilblam
-Mommy collapses on the floor as the dog commits suicide.

What! Again?

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
However, if I have offended anyone who has family members or friends over there, I sincerely apologize. You and your soldiers, sailors and airmen have my prayers and deepest sympathies.

Wow that's nice I look at them as war criminals. They don�t have to fight. If they didn�t fight the old bastard republicans couldn�t invade countries for questionable reasons. The Nazis at nuremberg couldn�t use the excuse they where following orders neither should the soldiers.

Originally posted by lilblam
But you know, the son made a decision to go to this bullsh1t fake war on a fake threat for a fake reason fighting for a FAKE (illegally imposed) government.... what did he expect? Oh he was a patriot and believed everything the government told him you say? Well wishfull thinking will get you EVERY TIME. All people of any religion are believers... they are ALL wishful thinkers who belief someone on their word just cuz they're afraid that the person may be right. Shame on them

That will get ya EVERY TIME! These are words of wisdom, remember them!

And who are the wishful thinkers that believe you at you at your word?

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Merry Christmas, mom and dad. Johnny won't be coming home. At least not alive. He got blown to bits this morning with two other soldiers on the outskirts of Baghdad. By the way, Bechtel and Halliburton thank you for your son's service.

I find the fact that you have a military emblem avatar, a disgrace to people who have actually served. Then you post to make a mockery of their actions.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Originally posted by Nerdling
Now that was just assinine, i don't agree with this war but i'm rather appalled that you'd be so inconsiderate of peoples feelings at this time of year.

Nerdling,
Are you drunk? You took it the wrong way. It is the Bush administration who so callously throws away the lives of our soldiers. They are nothing but numbers to monsters like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. It is they who are insensitive.

However, if I have offended anyone who has family members or friends over there, I sincerely apologize. You and your soldiers, sailors and airmen have my prayers and deepest sympathies.

I have no intentions of defending bush and his cronies, i know people who lost family members in that war and for the loss to be put as cold as that is rather rude on your part.

Excellent letter Garon...and that's from someone (me) who supported the war. (though not for the official reasons of course)

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
However, if I have offended anyone who has family members or friends over there, I sincerely apologize. You and your soldiers, sailors and airmen have my prayers and deepest sympathies.

Wow that's nice I look at them as war criminals. They don�t have to fight. If they didn�t fight the old bastard republicans couldn�t invade countries for questionable reasons. The Nazis at nuremberg couldn�t use the excuse they where following orders neither should the soldiers.

For them, I wish it were that simple. My brother is in the National Guard, on tap to go any day.

He is a Sgt. and an honorable guy. I talked to him about it awhile back. Although he does not support the invasion and occupation, he said he has no choice but to go if called. And I cannot argue with his reasoning, for I felt the same way when I served.

He said, "I joined when times were good, and enjoyed the benefits. Now I must keep the promise that I made." He is an excellent soldier and leader and I'm proud of him.

It just kills me that he might have to witness things that could obliterate one's faith and mental health - not to mention the dangers he will face.

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Merry Christmas, mom and dad. Johnny won't be coming home. At least not alive. He got blown to bits this morning with two other soldiers on the outskirts of Baghdad. By the way, Bechtel and Halliburton thank you for your son's service.

I find the fact that you have a military emblem avatar, a disgrace to people who have actually served. Then you post to make a mockery of their actions.

I served in the Gulf war. You shouldn't make ridiculous assumptions, armchair warrior.

Being that I'm single, I would gladly take my brother's place. But our stoopid government would never allow such a thing.

It only takes a few to take a stand. look what�s happening in Israel soldiers refuse to serve in the west bank it's having an effect. Sharon is looking worse each time it happens. Not all Jews are right wing nut cases.

I also applaud the men who took that stand.

Not all soldiers in Iraq engage in bad or criminal behavior. There are always gonna be some rotten ones from the start. We had the FBI, CID and DEA investigating a few people in my unit (after the war) for smuggling weapons, drugs and sabatage (in Iraq). The troops need good leaders to show them the way. At least my brother provides that to his men. Without the good ones, they would all succomb to madness.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I served in the Gulf war. You shouldn't make ridiculous assumptions, armchair warrior.

Hahaha...then you turn and make the same ridiculous assumption. Yeah, I took a tour of the Gulf myself....
Twice.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
However, if I have offended anyone who has family members or friends over there, I sincerely apologize. You and your soldiers, sailors and airmen have my prayers and deepest sympathies.

Wow that's nice I look at them as war criminals. They don�t have to fight. If they didn�t fight the old bastard republicans couldn�t invade countries for questionable reasons. The Nazis at nuremberg couldn�t use the excuse they where following orders neither should the soldiers.

You are an insolent little crack head who needs her azz kicked...I would really love to meet you in person some day to administer it in the name of every soldier, sailor, airman and marine who has ever fought for their country. Even extreme lefties look at your garbage posts and cringe...you are definatly pathetic