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Topic started on 24-12-2003 @ 06:28 AM by nathraq
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Don't know if this thread was already started. I just became a member in November, so sorry if it's a repeat.
It seems the Eurofighter is finally in full scale production.
Many European countries have this on order, and export of the fighter seems inevitable.
www.eurofighter.com...
I'm not an aviation expert, and would like to know what our more informed members think about this aircraft. How would in stack against America's,
or Russia's best combat aircraft? Will the Eurofighter be major competition for U.S. aeronautical engineering companies, or will it be a flop?
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reply posted on 24-12-2003 @ 07:48 PM by jetsetter
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The EF-2000 is a good aircraft. It is one of the next generation such as the F/A-22 and F-35. One more thing, I believe that this thread should be
in the aviation forum.
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reply posted on 25-12-2003 @ 12:14 AM by Seekerof
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Eurofighter is a very capable aircraft. She is a beautiful aircraft also.
Perhaps this link will help with some of the future discussions relevant to this topic. This link is to the BAE OpEval with comparisons to many of the
Western fighters. Based on BVR, the aircraft ranks fairly well:
"Eurofighter Typhoon: OpEval: DERA"
Link:
www.eurofighter.starstreak.net...
Excerpt:
"This system was used to comprehensively evaluate the BVR (Beyond Visual Range) performance of the Eurofighter and other aircraft against an
upgraded Su-27 Flanker (comparable to an Su-35 Super Flanker and its equivalents). The studies investigated all aspect best performances from the
major systems on each aircraft; avionics, structure (including RCS data), engine performance (including fuel usage), defences and man-machine
interfaces. In these tests the French Rafale utilised the Matra-BAe MICA air to air missile (which is the primary AA weapon of the French airforce)
while the other aircraft used the Raytheon-Hughes AMRAAM.
These simulations concluded that Eurofighter has a win rating of 82% (100% equals always win, 0% equals always lose, 50% equals parity) against the
target aircraft. A more typical way to present this data is as a combat exchange ratio, for the Typhoon this equals 4.5:1. In other words
statistically one Eurofighter would be lost for every 4.5 Su-35 fighters shot down. This compares extremely favourably to the other aircraft (see also
the BVR Combat Rating table); F-16C Falcon (0.3:1), F-15C Eagle (0.8:1), F-18C Hornet (0.3:1), F-18+ (0.4:1, NB this is not the current F-18E/F which
is apparently a downgraded version of the F-18+ used in the studies) and Dassault Rafale (1:1). Only the LM/Boeing F-22 Raptor bettered the
Eurofighter's performance with a combat exchange ratio of 10.1:1."
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reply posted on 25-12-2003 @ 12:27 AM by groingrinder
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This is one good looking aircraft. You just gotta love the delta wing/canard configuration. I'll bet it is really maneuverable. The whole Idea of a
Eurofighter is quite appealing in that expenses and production/research responsibilities are shared among several nations. I wait to see when this
hits the airshow circuit. I am sure it will be very impressive.
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reply posted on 25-12-2003 @ 04:16 PM by Bagoose
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I think the EF-2000 is one of the best aircraft in existance. Remember, at 60million per unit you can buy two of these for every HALF an F-22!
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reply posted on 29-12-2003 @ 10:27 AM by Paradigm
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 DVI, Direct Voice Input is one of the key cockpit systems in the Typhoon. The module, provided by Smiths Industries of the UK forms part of the
aircraft's integrated, CAMU supplied by CDC also of Britain. The first module was delivered by Smiths to CDC in May ready for integration into the
first CAMU subsystem now under construction. DVI will be available in the first IPA series due in August 2001.
The speech recognition module allows for connected word voice recognition. Since the system needs to cope with a noisy in-flight environment as well
as high-g stresses (effecting the pilots voice and speech) a robust system was required. To this end the unit incorporates various speech recognition
algorithms including Markov pattern matching and newer neural-net techniques. The resulting system has a vocabulary of some 200 words, a response time
of around 200ms and a recognition capability in excess of 95%. Each aircraft will have to be trained to recognise the voice of its pilot. This task
will be achieved via a Ground Support Station (GSS) with the data transferred to the Eurofighter's on-board systems via a Smiths supplied Mission
Data Loader. 
Speech recognition in a fighter? Never heard of that before.
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reply posted on 29-12-2003 @ 10:43 AM by Britman
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The speech reconistion is so advance that it can even detect difference accents and dialects. A few draw backs is it isn't a stealthy of the raptor
and doesn't have thrust vectoring.
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reply posted on 29-12-2003 @ 08:11 PM by vorazechul
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to me that sounds quite stupid ... who is speaking while performing a 8g manoeuvre
and what will the pilot command that he can't do faster with his hands maybe "fire" or "engines to full"...or "Mr. Spok , bring us to where
ever those klingone Su-35s are" 
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reply posted on 29-12-2003 @ 08:18 PM by THENEO
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There is an obvious conclusion to all of this.
The US cannot in future go it alone with aircraft and other programs if it hopes to still be a player in the military hardware business.
Not that any product is exclusively made in the US anymore anyways but it seems to make less and less sense for the US to take on the primary job of
producing all its aircraft.
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reply posted on 1-1-2004 @ 12:44 AM by Brodee
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Hey jet isn't this the aviation forum? Or did I drunkenly step into the terrorism forum again? Anyways the typhoon is a great fighter. It suppose to
be 81% efficient against an SU-35...Of course the Russkies here will never admit that. An F/A-22 is superior to anything declassified though.
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reply posted on 1-1-2004 @ 03:38 AM by Knowsstuff
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Trouble with the Typhoon, its too old already, they have had a full scale mock up for nearly 30 years, and it will be about 10 years behind schedule
when its finally operational. We should have had them 4 years ago. It has some good points, especially the engines, they are immensely powerfull.
i currently work on Tornado aircraft, which the typhoon will replace, and i must say im not looking forward to it as much as i hate the Tornado! The
aircraft construction is so reliant on Composites, it makes maintenance a bit of a nightmare!
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reply posted on 1-1-2004 @ 03:46 AM by Britman
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Knowsstuff won't you have to re-tool your entire workshop for the Typhon?
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reply posted on 1-1-2004 @ 12:32 PM by Knowsstuff
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im hoping i wont be there when it happens, so i wont have to care!
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reply posted on 4-1-2004 @ 01:02 AM by Seekerof
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Found this article earlier today. Very indepth and eye-opening also.
"Air farce one"
Link:
www.portal.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2004/01/04/wfarce04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/04/ixworld.html
Excerpt:
"The Eurofighter is 10 years overdue, has split its design partners and cost the British taxpayer £20bn. David Lomax reports on the project's
political dogfighting and costly mishaps
It is 10 years late, £6 billion, if not more, over budget, and the RAF still hasn't got one in squadron service. And next month, the Eurofighter,
Britain's biggest defence procurement project, will face a crucial export challenge.
Singapore, which needs to update its air force, will evaluate the Eurofighter's performance against French and American rivals. An overseas sale
might offset some of the £20 billion which the aircraft has so far cost the British taxpayer - the equivalent of three Channel Tunnels or Railtrack's
costs for the next five years - and would be much-needed encouragement to a four-nation collaboration which has been plagued by cost over-runs and
difficulties for two decades.
Apart from a modest purchase by Austria and orders from the countries where the aircraft is being built, the UK, Spain, Italy and Germany, the
Eurofighter has not been sold anywhere. At the Dubai Air Show last month, it was only present as a model while its rivals cavorted overhead in
spectacular flying displays. The RAF was supposed to be getting 232 of them but there are still problems with the aircraft's electronic systems
and it will not be in squadron service until 2006, and then only in the basic form of an air-combat version, which critics claim is a relic of
the Cold War and should have been scrapped years ago...."
Any thoughts, comments, or corrections to the above mentioned article?
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reply posted on 4-1-2004 @ 01:46 AM by Seekerof
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Btw.....here are some impressive Eurofighter videos:
Tranche 4 prototypes"
www.airpower.at...
21st Century Airpower.mpg
Link:
www.eurofighter.com...
Gabriels Oboe.mpg
Link:
www.eurofighter.com...
Staying in Command.mpg
Link:
www.eurofighter.com...
Type Acceptance.mpg
Link:
www.eurofighter.com...
And lower resolutions can be found here:
Media Library--Video--Eurofighter Typhoon
Link:
www.eurofighter.com...
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reply posted on 4-1-2004 @ 01:53 PM by Knowsstuff
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SEE!!!!! MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!
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