Israeli and US delegations walked out of the United Nations'

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Trust me, im very up to date on ww2.
have you stood in auschwitz gas chambers? or on the beaches of Normandy?
WW2 is a passion of mine..

Apparently not.

And if we follow your mindset, and go bombing Iran.. I assure you we will see a war that will dwarf ww2.

We had PROOF of Nazi agression.
We had PROOF of Nazi agenders.

AS soon as they hit Poland, war was declared.

TO DATE, Iran has NOT DONE A GOD DAMN THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO DATE, WE ARE THE ONLY AGRESSORS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
So why should we hit them?

Should we just go striking anyone whom 'might' pose a threat down the track?

Jee's... we'd better prepare then hey ?

Im not saying bomb Iran! Everytime one of your arguments get shot down you switch to something else! stay on friggin track!

Ok Xphiles, what should we do?
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What.. no smart allack reply?
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All they want to do is live in peace, but nobody wants to let them.

Believe me, Iranians feel the same way.

And if the massive losses the Jewish community suffered during the Holocaust are the justification for its aggressive nature, then surely some of the same consideration can be afforded Iran:

With more than 100,000 Iranian victims of Iraq's chemical weapons during the eight-year war, Iran is the world's second-most afflicted country by weapons of mass destruction, only to Japan. The total Iranian casualties of the war were estimated to be anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000. Almost all relevant international agencies have confirmed that Saddam engaged in chemical warfare to blunt Iranian human wave attacks, while unanimously announcing that Iran never used chemical weapons during the war

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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Because i am critical of the US, and its actions in regards to Iraq and Iran, that means i have a very large anti-israeli/anti-american mentality?

How about im anti lies, death, curroption?

......... o the irony. Seems like you answered your own question there buddy.

Its nice to come here and post an interesting piece of news.. but throwing in anti-american comments is just going to derail your own thread. Alot of americans are tired of all the critics out there and the little low-blows they like to toss any chance they get... and making comments like that is just going to cause a never ending arguement. Every nation has its bad sides, we get the point.. don't need self-righteous know it alls to make broad generalizations and vague disses every chance they get, it doesn't help.

I guess what I am trying to say is... if you insist on throwing in these little American critiques in your posts... please rename your topics to something like "News story + My critique on American culture and why it sucks"... because as you can see... the original thread topic has nothing to do with every other post in this thread... this has just become yet another pro-America vs anti-America never ending arguemetn... and its pretty apparent that is because of the comments you derailed your own thread with.

Or better yet... if America is so bad and you are the authority on what is right and wrong, go do something about it Go get involved in politics and change the world.. show us the way! Making jabs here in "news story" threads which totally derail the discussion of the original topic, wont get you far, thanks.

Hey man, they came in without even commenting on the news, accusing me of being anti-american anti-israeli...

I may not approve of Israel/american actions.. but i dont go into a thread, completely ignore the topic and just spew anti american crap...

think ya should hold back a bit.

I love america, and its citizens.. but its actions.. are haneous.

Originally posted by MBF
The Palestinians should spend a little more effort trying to make a better life for themselves

That's hysterical, what kind of life could you make for yourself in that situation, they can't even get basic food and medicene into Palestine, can't go from place to place without being harassed, revenues and assets are frozen, people are getting run off their land at gun point and living in tent cities for decades. They don't call it a humanitarian crisis for nothing. What kind of life could you make for yourself if you lived caged like livestock in a talmudic apartheid? It's absolutely SICKENING what Israel has done to Palestinians.

I think this is the beginning of something. Something big.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by jwater88]

Originally posted by XphilesPhan

Originally posted by Agit8dChop


Iran never said the jews,
they said the zionists.

The world DID Act immediaetly when hitler started his campaign
Britan and france decalred war....
just because the US didnt join in for some years, doesnt make it 'the world'

BZZZZZZZ! WRONG! you should really be sent back to grade school for this one.

you dont remember the, "maybe hitler will stop with czechoslovakia" mindset? The munich agreement?

here, do us all a favor and go edcucate yourself with something other than leftist revionalist crap history.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...

Did britain and France have enough military strength to win a war with Germany in 1938, even with the Czech divisions?

That was a serious consideration at the time, as was the intentions of communist Russia.

But to the point:

Britain DID act. With massive re-armament. Britain DID NOT sit there smugly thinking another devestating european war had been avoided, Britain hailed Chamberlains diplomacy as a victory... all the while re-arming.

Britain and France sacrificed the use of the Czech divisions to buy time.

and do we really need to resort to this sort of verbal sparring:

here, do us all a favor and go edcucate yourself with something other than leftist revionalist crap history.

why the aggression? IMO it just detracts from the argument..

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It's like the our war with the zombies (called World War Z by some.) The governments of the world (esp China, Russia, USA) knew exactly what was happening but didn't want to believe it until it was too late. In the end the entire planet paid the price for hiding our heads in the sand.

Iran vs. Israel. I don't have a dog in the fight really, but I certainly don't want to see nuclear annihilation anywhere on the planet, so here's what common sense tells me:

1) Walking out of the UN during a speech is stupid and insulting and doesn't help anything. Be a man and just bang your shoe on the table for two hours.

2) Israel and Iran are not apples to apples as far as nuclear weapons go. Iran has made it very clear it's intentions, and Israel is at least not actively seeking the utter destruction of another country. Iran is obviously more likely to press the button on Armageddon than Israel.

3) Legitimate or not, Israel exists and will continue to do so. The Palestinians are going to have to come to terms with that. I'm a US Southerner and the Northern invasion of the Confederate States of America was illegal and a war of aggression. The South had every right to govern it's own land. However, we've learned to live with the outcome. It can be done.

4) The US should back off on it's pro-Israel stance and pressure them to give some ground to appease the displaced Palestinians.

Originally posted by MBF
Israel is not going around saying that Iran needs to be wiped off the map.

They have had nukes for years and have never threatened to use them to destroy anybody. All they want to do is live in peace, but nobody wants to let them.

Well put MBF.Israel is a small country surrounded by virulent enemies spouting genicide.Her weapons have been used as a fail safe system in case of an overwhelming attack by their numerous enemies.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Iran has a right to speak its position,
and when its the US and Israel screaming the loudest for strikes against Iran, it speaks volumes when they refuse to even hear them out.

Sort like iraq and saddam

'' I wish to talk to president bush directly to resolve this wmd issue ''

'' I refuse to talk to saddam because he is a liar ''

look where that got us.....

now look at us

'' I wish to addres the UN,and present my side of this nuclear issue ''

'' we refuse to hear your side, because you are saying outrageous things ''

Darn darn darn i really dont know what to say

It seems we're sleep walking AGAIN

Agit8 i think you hit the nail on the head, oh the hipocrisy is all so clear. here have a way above as your above qoute said it all really match set and game to Agit8

Hmmm how sweet we swollow the propargander from our own governments

...some say there is no proof that Iran is trying to make Nuclear Bombs. I disagree.

Iran is insisting on building Breader Reactors. Some other contries tried to give them lightwater reactors.

The ONLY need for breader reactors is to make Plutonium 239 for Bombs.

If you're not gonna make bombs, there's no reason to not use a light water reactor.

If Iran is not ganna make bombs, what reason could they have for insisting on HAVING to build breaders reactors.

Doesn't add up.

2 + 2 =4.

Breader Reactors = bombs.

Originally posted by hlesterjerome

If Iran is not ganna make bombs, what reason could they have for insisting on HAVING to build breaders reactors.

Doesn't add up.

2 + 2 =4.

Breader Reactors = bombs.

Does it matter that they want to make bombs, i mean half the world has them anyway and it might just help avoide another crazy us- iraq scenario?

When Israeli forces attacked the U.S.S. Liberty, destroyed U.S. property and killed U.S. sailors, the U.S. government did nothing. NADA. ZILCH.

Personally I think the Israeli government is always using the U.S. government to it's own benefit and the U.S. government has never had the guts to do anything about it. In other words: The Israeli government PWNS the U.S. government. Either that or they follow orders from a higher entity on this planet.

So of course when the Israeli government is being critized the U.S. government will jump in the fire for them. Or leave the building like in this case..

Originally posted by MBF
Israel is not going around saying that Iran needs to be wiped off the map.

Your absolutely right, where some goons in Iran say this but don't do it, Israel doesn't say it but actualy already whiped 1 country of the map, has an entire population of a country virtualy prisoner and has agressivly attacked every single nation around it.

Israel probably has the most UN Resolutions drawn against it, but hasn't got a single one thats enforced.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
wow, thanks for noticing!

Glad you caught up.

Because i am critical of the US, and its actions in regards to Iraq and Iran, that means i have a very large anti-israeli/anti-american mentality?

How about im anti lies, death, curroption?

Or doesnt that wash with you anti-muslim crowds?

Agit, There are many many countries and power bases steeped in lies, death and corruption, your unwaivering focus on the United States is obvious.

Why don't you ever condemn any of the other liars, killers, and criminals around the world?

I think KonigKaos nailed your views dead on.

Originally posted by Xfile
Well put MBF.Israel is a small country surrounded by virulent enemies spouting genicide.Her weapons have been used as a fail safe system in case of an overwhelming attack by their numerous enemies.

Obviously you don't knwo a lot about the Middle east and Israeli meddling in affairs not of its concern. During the Iraq Iran war , Israel was supplying weapons to Iran that it had confiscated from Lebanon during the Lebanon/Israeli war in the 80's to try and tip the scales in Irans favor, which also was another screwup and interference by the israelis when they used the Lebanese Christians to massacre hundreds upon hundreds of innocent civilians and left them holding the bag fueling a civil war in lebanon. Israel is just as "virulent" an enemy as the rest of them. You don't know the half of it.

I get such a kick out of people that like to make it appear that Israel is such a peaceful and upstanding country in the Middle East. They are no better then any other terrorist entity, maybe even worse because they have WMD's of all sorts in full view of the world and no one says a damn thing.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
When Israeli forces attacked the U.S.S. Liberty, destroyed U.S. property and killed U.S. sailors, the U.S. government did nothing. NADA. ZILCH.

Personally I think the Israeli government is always using the U.S. government to it's own benefit and the U.S. government has never had the guts to do anything about it. In other words: The Israeli government PWNS the U.S. government. Either that or they follow orders from a higher entity on this planet.

So of course when the Israeli government is being critized the U.S. government will jump in the fire for them. Or leave the building like in this case..

First off, that happened back in the sixties and I seriously doubt you were even alive at the time. Secondly, friendly fire has occurred in every war man has engaged in. And lastly, rest assured, Israel is our ally. Always has been and always will be.

Agit8dChop, you MUST get your facts right!

The Israelis did not create the refugees and Israel did not force the Arab nations around her, to make the refugees live in squallor in the camps.

The Arab Nation States could, in the blink of an eye, resolve the so called Palestinian Problem, if they have a mind to.

Unfortunately, it serves their purposes to have their fellow Arabs banged up in the camps for the sole reason that it provides them with a very large and somewhat ineffectual stick, with which to beat the Isrealis over the head with.

Yes the way Israel treats the Arabs is appalling. The Arabs have much to air their grieviences about and it is high time the US took a differant stance in the region.

Having said that, when you have heads of state saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map/earth whatever, it does not bode well for the future.

As for the mythical land called Palestine, there is no such country of that name, but it did refer to the Trans Jordan region created by the Balfor Declaration of the 1920s.

There was a place called Palaestina which referred loosely to a region in Canaan inhabited by Philistines (similar to Roman and Greek
'Barbarians') who were an unkempt, ill-mannared, warlike and uneducated tribe. They lived mainly in the area we know today at the Gaza Strip.