Originally posted by Gools
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We dont torture prisioners.

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America is a very higly civilized country where torture is forbidden.We have an open and free press.We have 1500 tv stations.6000 weekly publications.

The photo's you submitted are easily explained.



The 1st picture is of a guy on a strecher on his way to to be given medical aid.He was a victim of a suicide bomber probably.

The 2nd picture is of a guy who has dropped something and looking down for it/bending down to pick something up.

The 3rd picture looks like a white guy with pink buttocks with shrapnel wounds from a suicide bomber being examined by a doctor.

The 4th picture is some guy rubbing the back of his knees in a shower.

The 5th picture is of a KKK leader giving a speech on a small pedestal with ropes to steady him because he has a poor sense of balance or is quite elderly.

or

The 5th picture is of a KKK leader giving a speech on a small pedestal with a wire for a projector showing his audience a slide show.Notice the transmitter antenna behind him.He may have set up a small tv station to reach a bigger audience.





[edit on 16-3-2007 by beckybecky]

The above post is one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever read on ATS. And I can never believe that the member really means what he's saying there.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
The above post is one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever read on ATS. And I can never believe that the member really means what he's saying there.

I honestly think, that the our dear member beckybecky really means what he is saying - or if he does not, he sure finds his sickening comments about the torture photos extremly funny. In few posts here, he has proven that he does not think before writing anyway. And I wonder, if he does think at all...

Have to agree that the post in question was way over the top. Was the post an attempt at sarcasm, only the poster knows. However souljah, before you adopt a "holier than thou" attitude, I would remind you of some of your previous posts where you "seemed" to be advocating and or condoning violent actions against innocent (non-muslim) people. Maybe you were just attempting to be sarcastic, too?

Originally posted by centurion1211
However souljah, before you adopt a "holier than thou" attitude, I would remind you of some of your previous posts where you "seemed" to be advocating and or condoning violent actions against innocent (non-muslim) people. Maybe you were just attempting to be sarcastic, too?

With all due respect Sir - are you trying to compare my statements to ignorant posts written by beckybecky? If you want to do that, please show the entire audience this kind of post in which am I, as you say, advocating and or condoning violent actions against innocent (non-muslim) people? But then again, perhaps you aree with beckybecky and that is the problem you are having.

In any case - none of this is the topic of this thread.

We have gotten WAY out of context here.

Originally posted by Souljah


In any case - none of this is the topic of this thread.

We have gotten WAY out of context here.

Yup, can we get back to the topic here?

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by sardion2000
Don't act like your country did it out of the kindness of your hearts....

It doesn't matter why we did it, we just did do it. Tens of thousands of Americans died, we sent Europeans weapons and aid before going into the war and even banned businesses from sending Germany aid. I know Europeans think you could have won without America and that we are misinformed, but that doesn't mean you have to play down American efforts. Millions more would have died if the US stayed out fully, and some of that number would have been in England from starvation.

[edit on 14-3-2007 by RetinoidReceptor]

I can say from an Australian view point that we are eternally grateful that America did get involved.

i have some iranian friends and they said they did not find a problem with the movie. that news article doesn't portray the majority of iranians.

i had a thought, and it happens so rarely of late it thought id share it.

u guys are lucky


anyway, im really suprised they didnt try to spin this "outrage" a different way.

"yes, this movie depicts how our ancestors were decadent barbarians, however...after the light of islam was shed upon us by allah (blessings be upon him) through his prophet mohammed (may allah bless him and keep him) we became a truely civilized peoples."

or somethign to that effect.

I find myself very conflicted about Iran... or should I say the Iranian government and its religious instituitions. I am a Baha'i which rose out of and transcended Shiia Islam in the mid 19th century. It is still the home of the largest Baha'i community, whose members make up the largest religious minority in Iran. Consequently I have known a lot of Iranians and to a person they are splendid people, vibrant, passionate and full of spirit.

At the same time the Iranian government and religious instituitions have systematically prosecuted the Baha'i' community relentlessly for 163 years. Some 20,000 were tortured and killed in the 19th century. Since the 20th century and most notably since the 79 revolution they have executed over 1,000 Baha'i's, closed their schools, shut down their instituitions, dug up their cemetaries and bull dozed their holy sites and now they are systematically denying Baha'i' children and youth access to any form of education.

The government needs to be changed but the United States has no place even threatening to do it (like John Bolton suggested over the weekend) muchless doing it and the Baha'i's of Iran like Baha'i's everywhere stay aloof from the political fray. We of course have our own political opinions but that is not the same thing.

oh i have to say that any of the muslem people ive ever met be they iranian, iraqi, afghani or whatever country were the most wonderful people ive met. i cant say enough good things about them.

but, for iraq its the fanatics causing the trouble.

and iran, i hate to say but that whackjob in office is writing checks that the iranian people may end up paying in blood.

that would make me very sad.

Originally posted by beckybecky

Americans have won every war.

In Vietnam we won again on body count.They killed 56000 Americans.We killed 5 million of them.

[edit on 13-3-2007 by beckybecky]

Sorry, my friend. The Americans were driven out of Vietnam.
3.5 million Vietnamese died to save their country.
58,000 Americans died for nothing.

[edit on 10/20/2007 by coolieno99]

Someone please euthanize this thread. I'm very ashamed of the comments of BOTH sides here. A total delete may well be in order.

Finally got around to watching this film. Might I point out that I enjoyed the graphic novel's visual style, even though it bears no relation to reality it was an enjoyable throwaway read.

The Immortals are good fun in both the comic and the film.

The film on the other hand is utterly appauling. I'm not going to even approach the notion of politics or racism.

I'm not entirely sure what accent Leonidas was supposed to have - seemed like a very poor Sean Connery impression. The dialogue was like nothing I've ever witnessed, stilted, unintentionally amusing (generally whenever Leonidas or another warrior opens their mouth), and very very boring.

Oh..... and a CGI extravaganza! Yet again cgi effects admirably drain any life and sense of proportion from the action scenes. I was prepared to be dazzled by Xerxes teeming millions, instead all I got were computer animated puppets doing very little, three guys in white body-paint with horns on their heads (????) and an appaulingly modelled and animated armoured rhino!

I've pointed out my opinions regarding the depiction of the persians earlier in this thread, and I still stand with what I've said in the past.

So, that's my personal opinion of the film. The film itself is a sad pathetic mockery of the art of film making, and due to it's dreadfulness alone it is a landmark in cinematic history.

Theres an irony about this whole thing. The movie is not based on real events. The persians were great people, we owe much to them even in this day and age... But the Iranian government said it was a propaganda move on behalf of the enemies of Iran lol. What's funny is almost every foreign film is banned in Iran, but this film apparently is quite widely available!