How about testing our torpedoes against the Kennedy carrier?

I like to see how effective the torpedoes are against a modern aircraft carrier. As well as the modern design structure of the carrier against such weapons.

With the rich heritage of "Big John", the memories, history, and lives entwined in her, it would be a disgrace to use her for such a thing. I live here in Jax., Fl., and I know many sailors who served upon that vessel. I'm sure we have less destructive ways of testing our arsenal, rather than destroying this floating piece of America.

Would be cool though, to see live exercises against a real warship. My Grandad was off Bikini Atoll when they detonated a hydrogen bomb inside a ring of various size ships. My Grandad was about 8 miles away and it SCORCHED THE PAINT on their ship. CAN YOU IMAGINE???

Hi delta hassent the US done just that recently, but I dont have any details of the event,

Some good pics here

You tube vid Tried to embed that one, didn't work tho!

Another good one



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Originally posted by deltaboy
I like to see how effective the torpedoes are against a modern aircraft carrier. As well as the modern design structure of the carrier against such weapons.

How about it has already been done?

Well, its not the Kennedy, but the USS America was only one generation older and still they had a hard enough time to sink it.

Originally posted by Lonestar24

Originally posted by deltaboy
I like to see how effective the torpedoes are against a modern aircraft carrier. As well as the modern design structure of the carrier against such weapons.

How about it has already been done?

Well, its not the Kennedy, but the USS America was only one generation older and still they had a hard enough time to sink it.

Ahh thanks you for the info. I didn't know they used torpedoes on USS America. Thought they were using anti-ship missiles to test foreign weapons on the carrier like the Silkworms.

They tested anti ship missiles on her too but you cant sink a super carrier with anti ship missiles alone, unless you want to get ridicules with numbers...

Originally posted by WestPoint23
They tested anti ship missiles on her too but you cant sink a super carrier with anti ship missiles alone, unless you want to get ridicules with numbers...

Why not?

An Arsenal ship (concept) could sink it. Depending on where they hit, its still possible for anti-ship missiles alone to sink such vessel of that size.

As you say before depending on how many missiles.

If in theory an Oscar class sub were to fire on the carrier by itself without the protection of the rest of the battlegroup, its possible it would sink.

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Delta was there any particular reason for sinking the ship in such deep water, I take it the military dont want any sight seeing just in case some one finds out if it was easy to damage/sink or not.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Delta was there any particular reason for sinking the ship in such deep water, I take it the military dont want any sight seeing just in case some one finds out if it was easy to damage/sink or not.

Its justified that the U.S. Navy would keep it classified, but that don't mean that they never recorded it. Sooner or later it would be released.

Super Carriers don't need to be sunk - damaging the flight deck via cratering or damaging the catapults will render any carrier virtually useless.

Originally posted by deltaboy
An Arsenal ship (concept) could sink it.

As you say before depending on how many missiles.

As I said, those are ridicules numbers, if all your missiles hit above the water line and if the ships emergency support systems are on line it might not sink. Burning wreck, yeah, but floating nonetheless...

I was on the Enterprise back in the 80's..pilot once told me that you would have to practically nuke her to sink her.
As far as torpedos and missiles...not sure what damage a conventional weapon could yield (tripple hulled and many many voids)...yeah sure heaps of them would take her out...but would you get the chance to fire heaps at her???
Don't forget Phalanx...that system is AWESOME to see in operation!



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They also sank an aircraft carrier to turn it into an artificial reef. Remember watching it on the discovery channel. The
USS Oriskany is the ship. Took a lot of effort to get it to sink,especially to land upright.

Spanish, and the article staes that it took 37 mins for the Oriskany to sink...She was 38,000 tons
The Big E is 93,500 tons...almost triple the displacement, and obviously modernized.
IMO sinking a modern U.S. carrier would be extremely difficult and would have to be considered a suicide mission for someone, don't forget they travel with ALOT of well armed friends surrounding them.

Yeah I watched that program too and they studied the design of the ship and cut/blew a lot critical portions of the ship (below the waterline) in order to sink her, and even then it took over a half an hour. Consider that this was a carefully performed demolition, a WWII design (built with old techniques and materials), a much smaller ship than a supercarrier, there was no crew, no pumps, no other support elements to counteract the damage. I have to agree that sinking a supercarrier would take a huge combined effort using conventional munitions, the only way to do it quickly would be to use nuclear tipped munitions...

To my knowledge I think an aircraft carrier has a larger chance of being taken down by a couple torpedoes as opposed to a few missiles. The ship is rigged with anti-missile protection.

Originally posted by Masisoar
To my knowledge I think an aircraft carrier has a larger chance of being taken down by a couple torpedoes as opposed to a few missiles. The ship is rigged with anti-missile protection.

Your pretty much correct here. Modern torpedos are very destructive. More so than the military is wont to let the public know.

Most of the modern torpedos used by this country are 21 inchs(533mm) in diameter ...with modern guidance and also very modern explosive punch.

What is also not told to the public nor in any of these posts is that you dont necessarily have to sink a modern aircraft carrier. You just have to incapacitate her. STeering...launching or recovery gear..etc etc. Even damaging the hull enough to bend the deck and it will be useless. Let her float long enought to be vulnurable to attack at another time and place...by other vessles or aircraft.

Ship to ship the modern submarine is one of the deadliest platforms out there. This is why you see so much hoopla at the surface ship piers when a ship comes back to her home port. You dont see much hoopla at the submarine piers. YOu show your Kings and Queens in this buisness...you hold your Aces very close to the vest.

Mind you now there are other ways of delivering torpedos..but the submarine is the deadliest.

If you look closely at the pictures posted or linked of the torpedo warshots...what you see is the torpedo exploding underneath the hull of the ship. It is not a direct side impact and explosion. What happens is that the torpedo explosive is so powerful that it explodes the water from underneath the ship and the ship falls into the hole from the displaced water and breaks its back. This is how a modern torpedo works. It is not usally a direct impact weapon. Also you can pretty well guess that in a surface ship with alot of equipment hardmounted to the ribs or framework ..most of it will be blown off its mounts by the initial explosion. I have actually seen videos of this happeing in test hulls....very ..very impressive to see a huge diesel engine come loose from its mounts and slam against a bulkhead..very impressive.

Masosari is pretty close to the mark in how many modern torpedos it would take. I said modern torpedos ..not some stuff bought at a garage sale.

Thanks,
Orangetom

My main point is torpedoes are much more likely to bring down one of those giants than missiles just because of the sheer amount of that type of defense. I'm not too sure about anti-torpedo protection other than the shielding fleet around it.

I'd prefer to see it either be used as-

A- a training carrier

B- a museum/monument

C- a SOF platform