Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by surrender_dorothy
I spoke to some guy a while ago and he told me that the moon is hollow and that aliens live inside. is this true?

It is true that aliens live and work inside the moon but it is not hollow per se. The moon has gigantic caverns as does earth. Within these caverns are huge laboratories and probably living quarters. The same is true for earth.

I know ur famous or something, but seriously, LMAO, your have obviously had a guided tour, does that make you an official space cadet?

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Originally posted by mcktj

I know ur famous or something, but seriously, LMAO, your have obviously had a guided tour, does that make you an official space cadet?

Why yes, yes it does. Do you know Buzz? Buzz Corey? Happy was a relative of my grandfathers. Small world.

Originally posted by johnlear

It is true that aliens live and work inside the moon but it is not hollow per se. The moon has gigantic caverns as does earth. Within these caverns are huge laboratories and probably living quarters. The same is true for earth.

This is not the SkunkWorks forum.
Mr. Lear has stated that he can offer no proof on his outlandish claims.

His posting this tripe here, in my opinion is unacceptable.

Mods, I'd hate to see this post moved to Skunkworks, as it WAS being debated in a civil manner.

But, since Mr. Lear inserted his "opinion" here, I'm unsure as to what needs to happen to this thread.

Please assist.

Regards,
Lex

Hmmm, i have experienced some strange things in my life, i have to the best of my knowledge not been visited by aliens, however that does not mean that they have not visited you, i was only pulling your leg about the space cadet thing, but i think that (at the moment in time) statements that cannot be backed up with some sort of evidence (with reference to a moonbase) are not helpful when people dont understand the difference between gravity and magnetic fields, it kind of easy to make them believers dont ya think. Belief is easy acceptance of reality is harder!

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I don't want to get overly philosophical here, but what is reality other than a widely accepted belief?

And guys, do you see what forum you're in here? Aliens and UFOs. If any proof existed for any claims in this field then we wouldn't be here - we'd be discussing this phenomena on the BBC science forums (or some such similar mainstream science forum).

Well the difference between reality and beliefs is what is actually happening, and what is an opinion on what is happening, the reason that i stated that was because Johnlear interjected in a discussion and took it to a place that it doesnt need to go, his statements are outlandish, and to be fair science and Ufology etc are hand in hand here if we want to discuss fairy tails we can but then what your suggesting is that we believe them with out any arguement?

So you know for a fact what is happening currently on the moon? Or you have an opinion on what is happening based on what others have told you? Did you perhaps hear the opinions of other people, scientists for example, and choose to believe them.

I don't really understand the problem with what John has done. The OP made the claims. John just confirmed them. Whether or not people choose to believe John is up to them. But he didn't take the conversation any place that it wasn't at to begin with.

And since when have science and UFOlogy worked hand in hand?!

And please don't put words in my mouth. I have never once suggested that any claims should be believed without questioning - and would never do so. But how can we question if discussion is stifled because of a lack of evidence? If all discussion without evidence was eliminated, ATS would cease to exist.

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Originally posted by Lexion
Mr. Lear has stated that he can offer no proof on his outlandish claims.

Please show me this quote, Thanks.

His posting this tripe here, in my opinion is unacceptable.

Your opinion is always acceptable to me.

Mods, I'd hate to see this post moved to Skunkworks, as it WAS being debated in a civil manner.

Whether or not you believe it Lexion, the Mods cannot save you from reality.

But, since Mr. Lear inserted his "opinion" here, I'm unsure as to what needs to happen to this thread.

Well, we could treat it as though it were one of your opinions.

Originally posted by Quazi176
Hi everyone,

I did a search on "Moon" and didn't see any title about why the moon doesnt rotate. Can someone explain to me why the moon is in gravitational lock with the earth? Why do never see the darkside of the moon since it doesnt rotate?

The moon does not revolve? Who told you that? I think this is nonsense although I cannot prove it! From my understanding every celestial body both revolves around its axis and at the same time orbits around a more massive celestial body!

The bottom line is everything revolves and orbits. The moon orbits around earth, earth orbits around the sun, the solar system orbits around the galaxy, the galaxy orbits around something else(perhaps a larger more massive galaxy or around the universe)!

In my opinion, gravity= magneticism on a large scale! I don't see any major differences between the two other than the scale factor!

As far as the moon being hollow I think this is pure, unadulterated BS!!!
Cavernous it maybe! Perhaps aliens have settlements within the crust but to say it is hollow is pure, unadulterated BS!!!!!

If it was hollow it WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH MASS TO HAVE ENOUGH GRAVITY TO CAUSE TIDES ON EARTH AMONG OTHER PROVEN HYPOTHESIS!

Just my penny's worth

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is it possible the inner of the moon was/is limestone and "others" helped out the Egyptians with the pyramids... then storied were made up for the other people in the world to think they did it all on their own?


maybe the pharaohs made some type of deal with them?

When the astronauts disengaged part of the craft and it hit the moon it rang for hours. To me that means that the moon is at least in large portions hollow through and through. As for aliens --- in my opinion they are on the moon as welll as other bodies in this solar system.

Originally posted by gottago

Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by johnlear

It is true that aliens live and work inside the moon but it is not hollow per se. The moon has gigantic caverns as does earth. Within these caverns are huge laboratories and probably living quarters. The same is true for earth.

This is not the SkunkWorks forum.
Mr. Lear has stated that he can offer no proof on his outlandish claims.

His posting this tripe here, in my opinion is unacceptable.

Please assist.

I happen to agree with this theory and most of his theories but even if I didn't I don't see why him posting his opinion is "unacceptable"! Would you care to elaborate on what is acceptable and what is not?!

Has anyone read the book 'Alien Agenda' by Jim Marrs? The first chapter talks about the moon being an ancient spaceship and that it has not always been in the sky. If you research cave drawings and ancient text, there was never a reference to a moon. Anyways, it is a fascinating book.

Originally posted by TheStev
So you know for a fact what is happening currently on the moon? Or you have an opinion on what is happening based on what others have told you? Did you perhaps hear the opinions of other people, scientists for example, and choose to believe them.

I dont know what is happening on the moon nor did i claim to know what was happening on the moon

I don't really understand the problem with what John has done. The OP made the claims. John just confirmed them. Whether or not people choose to believe John is up to them. But he didn't take the conversation any place that it wasn't at to begin with.

True he did not tell the original poster anything the OP did not know, or hear in the same secondary manner, what i took from the question was that the OP want some sort of evidence to back up what the guy he refered to had told him. How did John's comments futher the issue?

And since when have science and UFOlogy worked hand in hand?!

Most Ufologist consider themselves to try to the best of their ability to use sciencific approaches, quite alot of leading Ufologist have Phd's in relevent areas of study or areas that they have worked in that relate to this feild, i am not talking about self proclaim experts or so called whistle blowers

And please don't put words in my mouth. I have never once suggested that any claims should be believed without questioning - and would never do so.

I had no intention of putting words in your mouth, however please note the question mark at the end of the sentence, this was a query. You seemed to defend John Lears position so in leu of any evidence from Mr Lear for his conformation of th OP statement i suggested is that we believe them with out any arguement?

But how can we question if discussion is stifled because of a lack of evidence? If all discussion without evidence was eliminated, ATS would cease to exist

I dont understand what you mean here it doesnt read properly. This wasn't a discussion, the OP asked a pretty straight forward question, i dont think he expected what people wondered what was going on i think he would have had a go at that himself? IMO





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To elaborate on my first post, I don't really understand the "dark side of the moon" hypothesis! The moon being a smaller celestial body than that of Earth would hypotheticaly revolve faster around its vertical axis than Earth does around its vertical axis(or at least it would appear to revolve faster given its smaller diameter) and thus there would be no blind spots!

True, if both bodies revolved at the same speed and same direction then perhaps it would be different in that there would be perpetual blind spots on the moon as seen from Earth!

This is guesswork on my part so if anyone knows better speak up and if you disagree please explain why, not just I disagree for the sake of disagreeing!

It was explained in an earlier post

The moon turns much slower than the earth, the earth rotates at approx. 1000 miles/hr at the equator giving us a day the moons day is our month, size has nothing to do with the speed it rotates on its own axis.

I would google lunar cycle or something like that to find out more

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
This is guesswork on my part so if anyone knows better speak up and if you disagree please explain why, not just I disagree for the sake of disagreeing!

Trying to explain it in words is nearly impossible. Go buy two styrofoam balls, rotate one while keeping one side of another ball constantly turned towards it. Once you see the mechanism in action, its a "ta da!!!" moment.

Belief is easy acceptance of reality is harder!

This statement implies that what some of the people in this thread believe about the moon are 'beliefs' and what you believe about the moon is 'reality'. That was the point I was making by asking if you know for a fact what is happening on the moon. The implication made by your statement is that you know the 'reality' of what is happening on the moon, and claims made in this thread are 'beliefs'.

How did John's comments futher the issue?

I don't believe they did, but apparently you do:

Johnlear interjected in a discussion and took it to a place that it doesnt need to go

Again, what place did John take this discussion that it wasn't already taken to by the OP?

Most Ufologist consider themselves to try to the best of their ability to use sciencific approaches

I think we're running into a difference of terminology here. When someone says 'science', I think of the mainstream scientific body, not the scientific method. In fairness, though, a person or group can use a method, but I don't believe that technically a person or group can work 'hand in hand' with a method. A method does not have a 'hand' for the person or group to put their hand(s) in as it were. As far as I'm aware, mainstream science considers UFOlogy pseudo-science.

You seemed to defend John Lears position so in leu of any evidence from Mr Lear for his conformation of th OP statement i suggested is that we believe them with out any arguement?

While I appreciate the question mark - the sentence was worded as a statement, not a question. My beliefs are irrelevant. The only relevant belief is that I believe in Mr Lear's right to state his claims or beliefs freely and openly, regardless of what evidence is available to prove or disprove them. I do not suggest that any belief should be accepted without argument - nor do I suggest that any belief be dismissed without argument. Argument requires discussion, discussion requires that people are able to freely post their beliefs.

I dont understand what you mean here it doesnt read properly. This wasn't a discussion, the OP asked a pretty straight forward question, i dont think he expected what people wondered what was going on i think he would have had a go at that himself? IMO

Do you honestly believe the OP expected someone to come forward and say 'Yep, this is true and here's the proof'? I think the OP was aware that these are claims without proof and was wondering what take others had on these claims. Surely the OP would know if such proof existed then these would not be 'claims' they would be 'reality'.

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