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Originally posted by derdy

Originally posted by GwionX
I am far from a war-monger.

Would you suggest we just fold like Spain did?

THAT is exactly what mujahdeen was counting on.

Ok, man...I am going to spell it out for ya.

The biggest beef Al Queda/ mujahdeen had with the USA was the fact that we were in Saudi Arabia... Ask yourself: why were we there? Why did we need to be there? Oil? Nope..we got oil from Saudi for decades.
Because the Saudi moderates wanted our protection? Yes.

From Who? Saddam Hussain

He had already invaded Kuiwait, and attempted to invade Iran before that. He showed no qualms about firing Scuds into Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war.

As long as he was in power the threat of aggression was there. A whole generation of Radical Muslims hated the fact that Infidels were in the lands around Mecca. Hate it so much they are willing to die and kill on religious principle.

Your 'facts' are historically inaccurate.

We've been in Saudi Arabia since 1974 after the oil embargo. We implemented JECOR that year

How is the Joint Economic Commission Office Riyadh (JECOR) going to stop an invasion by the Iraqi Army?

I think you took my words out of context. I was clearly referring to the unprecendented decision by King Fahd to allow U.S. Military Troops to be Based in Saudi Arabia beginning in 1990. This due to the threat of Saddam Hussain. www.britannica.com...

Nice try though.

What I am saying is historically accurate. I apologize if I wasn't specific enough in my previous post.

link We NEEDED to be there so an oil embargo like that of 1973 didn't happen again.

Good link. Very informative.

We were there for the oil from the start. Do some reading and research.

I need to do reseach to realize Saudi has oil? That Oil is their major trade commodity? Should I also research South Africa and their relationship with Diamond mines? India with Tea? No offense but ...forgive me if this is less than "eye-opening."

So yeah, if history started during Desert Storm, then I guess you're right. Unfortunately, that was 1991 meaning there is a lot of history before that.

Well, the history of US combat troops in Saudi Arabia (the land of Mecca) started in 1990, ya know the event that I was talking about in my first post. The event that enraged a generation of Radical Saudi muslims, and the mujahdeen.

And you're argument about the mujahdeen wanting us to leave is as old as the Vietnam War when government officials kept saying that Communism would sweep Southeast Asia and the South-Pacific. Well, we lost Vietnam and that didn't happen. It's just another lame argument to keep the our boys dying and keeping the pockets of the war profiteers brimming with money.

I do not concur, but I respect your opinion.

Also, for those that like to believe the illusion that we're fighting for 'freedom' since we lost in Vietnam what freedoms did we lose?

Did we lose? Or was the message clearly sent. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't see much of a consorted communist threat anymore.

Some people just can't seem to figure out that the threat of Communism and the USSR were wildly exagerated which led to the Cold War and all the proxy wars all over the world (thank you Paul Wolfowitz and Team B!).

That statement might be true if history began in 1974, So yeah, I guess you are right. Unfortunately cold war history started long before 1974. Mc Carthy was a hardline excentric, and so were team b to a point, but the threat was very real. Although influencial it isn't like the hardliners were the only voice on the matter.

These same people are using 'Terrorism' in the exact same way they used 'Communism' to expand the American empire and duping a bunch of Americans along the way with fear and words like 'liberty', 'freedom', and 'democracy'.

How did we expand the American "Empire" during the cold war again?

Although, I don't find that entirely suprising since you just told us that we weren't in Saudi Arabia for the oil in the first place despite historical records to the contrary.

I do apologise for *grossly over-estimating* some reader's ability to put my initial post in context. I wasn't talking about commerce, I was talking about Military troops for "protection" as requested by King Fayd in 1990.

That's what happens when you watch Fox News for a history lesson. Read up on your history, you have much to learn.

I will work on history. You work on reading comprehension. K?
BTW: I don't watch Fox news. You are jumping to conclusions.

It's also incredibly naive to think we're going to leave the region after we stabilize it. We have an ever-expanding empire and our presence in more and more countries grows (whether it's reported or not).

Here is one of those misinfo reports:Last U.S. unit leaves Saudi Arabia findarticles.com...

This is the American global domination project in pursuit of corporate interests (ie cheap labor, natural resources etc) it has nothing to do with removing tyrants or giving people freedom. If that were the case, why haven't we invaded Mexico yet?

I feel pretty free in Mexico, I go there ALL_THE_TIME. It does make me love America more everytime I go.

Tu piensa usted es elegante, pero pienso que usted es un chachalaka. Me disculpo.

Lastly, my loyalty is to the Constitution, the principles that lie therein, and to the principles of our Founding Fathers. I'm not loyal to imperialists or globalists.

I love the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I think the Patriot Act needs serious revision, but I "get" it's gist. However, changing gears a bit--

Through technology and progress, economicaly:The world has become flat. Either America embraces it and learns to thrive in the new landscape, or we become a "Hermit nation" waiting for eventual invasion by an aggressor.