There are two people who will be mad at how this topic has progressed so far…
One is Adolf Hitler; in fact I'm not sure what would annoy him more: The prospect of recognising that Jews, Chinese and Indians
average) slightly smarter than “us” beloved Europeans, or the fact that no one (myself included) has argued in favour of the concept of a pure
Then again did you know that it is a law of physics that nothing is pure
even a vacuum…
It’s called Quantum Field Theory but has been measured in real life, even a vacuum at absolute zero is filled
with something called virtual
photons. Trillions continuously (momentarily) contaminate it with energy, the same applies to matter.
With this in mind (never mind probability theory) is it really surprising that there is no such thing as a “pure race”?
There will always be plenty of good as well as highly intelligent black Caribbean’s, Australian aboriginals or any division of the human race.
That Other Person…
Apart from the true Nazis and white supremacist we have the politically correct who believe that all races are equal. (Like the Nazis) this is usually
done with emotive words, defiantly argued arguments, and last but not least a shortage of good facts. They make up for this by saying “but it is a
fact that” a: “Jews are inferior” or b: “we are all equal” and they may even produce some scientifically unscientific study by some of their
What Else They Have In Common…
Both Hitler and the modern day politically correct aren’t exactly what you call “libertarian minded”. You can see this in the fanatical (yet
simultaneously) deceptive way they make their arguments (deceptive as in terms of facts of course).
They even believe people should loose their jobs (seemingly no matter what that job may be
) for sharing counteractive political beliefs. See
this great picture of it in the U.K… www.telegraph.co.uk...
I do not support the BNP, I don’t like their attitude to racial discrimination against the individual
. I also don’t like
National Service (but that’s a bit of topic). However I find it laughable when people use the word “fascist” as insult to others, when they
themselves believe in denying work to someone because of they’re political beliefs.
Oh and just it’s socially politically incorrect to be racist, it was just as socially politically correct to be anti-racist in Hitler’s Germany.
We aren’t referring to outright political rebellion here, just holding an opinion that doesn’t conform to the states chosen norm.
I'm sure there must be more paellas between Hitler and the Politically Correct but those from the top of my head should do for now.
Originally posted by boyg2004
Or how about the fact that indo-asian men are far more susceptible to coronary heart disease than any other racial group? I have also read a
study that showed the colour of ones eyes indicate a quicker or slower reaction time to events taking place rapidly.
Building on what you’re saying have you also heard that Chinese and Westerners see the world differently (physically)
? It’s do with how we
focus when we look at a picture (Chinese tend to focus on the background more, whilst we tend to focus on the pictures focus)….
(Not bad science sources?)
Originally posted by Boyg2004
Is it co-incidence that intellegent people reside in countries which have financially and socially rewarded intelligence for many hundreds of
It’s one of the reasons why what we have done to Iraq is such a moral outrage. They have had civilisation for well over 6000 years, are fairly well
mixed (ancestrally genetically) and despite being Arabs are apparently (on average) more intelligent than Europeans.
This builds 100% upon what you’re saying about where there is a long history of civilisation there is a linkage with intelligence. Firstly because
Iraqis ancestral diversity (particularly from less performing groups) would seem defy racial differences in intelligence, secondly because culturally
Iraq is a sham. Because of this (just like Africa) they have nearly always had a history of dictators (be them “kings” like Saddam’s, muqtada
al-sadr’s, or most democratically of all tribal leaders.
Positive Effects of Immigration…
Have you not noticed how great these recent European immigrants have been? They might be white, but they put many English whites to shame. For example
so far so good (and despite consciously trying) I haven’t been able to catch a single Polish shoplifter even though there’s loads round our area.
They did catch one (for the first time as far as I'm aware) two weeks ago down on electrical’s but he was from Bulgaria and for all I know could
been one those “sewer kids” (many street children actually sleep inside street drains-pipes inside Bulgaria).
Yet before they came there umpteen numbers of predictions in our press of a “crime wave” heading our way i.e: “they’re poor so this equals
However is it really surprising that this crime wave never materialised? After all if your prepared to leave home, live in a alien land, learn (or
having to learn) a foreign language, in order to earn a bit more money; doesn’t that say something about you?
As far as I'm concerned the polish people not only visibly work harder than the English people, but they are also nicer (though I'm obviously biased
as my girlfriends polish).
I'm not saying racial differences will not
be reflected in group of immigrants with the next; but I am saying they are surely (generally) the
best of whatever people that race may have.
Civilisation Against the Brain…
Western civilisation provides vast wealth seemingly wherever it is successfully materialised, and often being “democratic” some of this wealth (in
Britain’s case over 40% of all
tax revenue) has been directed into the welfare state. Now obviously it’s a bad thing to be a wealthy nation
without a welfare state (who wants starvation, or more
people being prepared to die just to get you’re wallet?). However (moral arguments
aside) the wealth fare state is probably doing more harm to the long term I.Q pool than a perpetual war (where the best tend to put their life
This is because both upper and middle class income groups are having fewer than 2 children on average:
meanwhile the further down the economic ladder the
higher it gets (and yes certainly in the U.K there are plenty of parents who have kids so that they can pocket some of the due benefits for
I believe there are a number of ways to correct this…
benefits only in exchange for work (baring rare but obvious exceptions)
2. Create a “benefit Debit card” so that Social Services can electronically see exactly where the money is being spent (i.e. on food for the
family, or child’s cloths; not cigarettes or the pub).
3. Encourage the Middle Class and Upper Class to have more kids with tax brakes (it’s mostly their money anyway so it won’t cost anything
if the government takes away a bit of money in order to give it back again if-when they have kids). As for childless or gay people it will still help
maintain the long term survival of the society they themselves where born into (and if they happen to believe in reincarnation may be born into
Originally posted by Boyg2004
If you breed two stupid people, they'll most likely not bear the next Einstein as their legacy. If you breed two strong people, you would
increase the chances of strong offspring.
This has been backed by research into identical twins living with separate parents (sometimes in totally separate economic conditions)…
(read article: “1 human intelligence is largely hereditary”). And also…
Originally posted by antuk
on the topic off PC...i'm starting to think that its just a few people who make this *ahem* up, because lets face no "normal" person would
ever make up some of the things that they splurt out...me i blame the centre left newspapers and town council middle managers.
I think you’ll find it’s a vast “well meaning” real life conspiracy. Well meaning because the first idea is that regardless of the differences
between us it is better to focus on what unites, well meaning because it intends to avoid a repeat of the holocaust in which at least 6 Jews died.
It’s no state secret that a disproportionate number of Jews are successful. The PC explanation is to do with discrimination in the 14th century
which by barring Jews from owning land encouraged them to go into the banking industry.
All perfectly true, accept I know 3 Jews and none of them (to my knowledge) has ever been involved in banking; yet they all come from middle class
plus families. Then there’s the non-banking industries which have zilch to do with banking and here Jews are also successful.
Frankly since they are predicted (by almost all modern research) into racial differences in intelligence to be smarter than Europeans on average, I
find it no surprise they seem more successful than Europeans average (as well as other ethnic minority groups). Frankly they (like the Chinese and
Indians) are what Hitler might call a “superior race” (only he wouldn’t as previously explained his thoughts about race are strongly counter to
And is that a bad thing? What difference does it make if an intelligent person comes from a Saxons womb or a Jews or an Indians? At the end of the day
we want intelligent people in our society right? (Or would the latest neo-Nazis start arguing it is in the working classes interests if we start
shooting all the middle and upper class smart-intellectuals?
At the end of the day we can breed with them, and if we do, then we reap the rewards (whatever they may be). And if we don’t it’s not like
presence of intelligent Jews is somehow reducing the numbers of intelligent whites (though that’s the sort of aspiration Nazi type minds anywhere
would have us achieve).
However the Jewish people’s success also seems to stem to the mass media. Now here they’re influence might be
slightly artificial as
Israel’s government is alleged by numerous sources to encourage this.
the Jewish people (as a generalisation) seem to hold a lot of influence over the mass idea, again no bad thing (especially if this
influence isn’t artificial). And even then the state of Israel as a influence, especially from its current location isn’t that bad a thing (or at
least it wouldn’t be in my opinion if it was better managed).
quite naturally you can expect far more Jewish to be anti racist than pro racist. It doesn’t take an Einstein to work this out after
the Holocaust. However I think this is a bit of bad joke as in today’s modern society, especially with all their influence the Jews should be
exploiting the fact they are more intelligent
(as an average).
because we need intelligent people, and that argument can (unlike pre-Hitler’s Germany) be powerfully made in the press.
because it would justify the expansion of Israel
in the right direction
(maybe it’s existence if
outperform the Palestinians (I'm not sure).
Acknowledging the Truth Can Destroy Old Racism…
Currently there will always be racial discrimination unfairly directed against the individual because of the colour of their skin, or in Jews cases
because of the shape of their bodies.
Given the current state of society plus the media, racism (baring some miracle) is surely unlikely to fall much below where it currently is. Such a
miracle (in form of the “truth”) could be on the way (if those able to influence the media decided upon it). Because there must be many (maybe
even the majority of racists?) who are only racist because they believe-realise the current state of political correctness is bull
You can realise this just by making everyday observations, for example a long-serving policeman is likely to realise there’s a disproportionate
amount of crime committed by ethnic minorities; now he may put this down to cultural reasons, or he like his neighbour may put it down racial
. And once you accept that political correctness is a pile of rubbish, then you become open to a whole host of other ideas. Suddenly
things like what Hitler was saying, the Klu-Klux Clan ect don’t seem so crazy after all (it happened to me exactly like this between 12 and 14).
Also speaking from personal experience it’s like when I first tried cannabis (after getting drunk) then researched, then realised it was
“harmless” was also the closest time I’ve ever been to trying harder drugs (because my illusions had just been shattered I could have jumped to
the other extreme by dumping the truth too).
one-day we to firmly accept the notion of racial differences of intelligence, and encourage the population growth
of the middle class, then perhaps in the name of mutual economic self interest we could democratically
gain the consent of the majority
population to encourage certain races. This would have to be done (in a highly libertarian way)
i.e. I do not mean putting a gun to someone’s
head and saying “breed!” (no one wants to live like that). But if in the name of “mutual economic self-interest” we give extra e.g. education
subsidies to certain groups children at an earlier stage then no one on the receiving end will complain, and if it really is in economic self interest
then the few from the majority population really will be nothing more than a fanatical minority truly (i.e. in reality) (probably also provably) in
conflict with the interests of the majority.
It’s high time we stop denying the truth because the truth doesn’t go away, because things like positive discrimination will be harming the
economy because they are based in fantasy, what they really do is direct money away from where it could better help the ethnic minorities.
It’s also high time the Jews and politically correct stop fearing another Holocaust from a second Hitler, true worth watching out for (and no
question there with regards to the consequences of our foreign policy failures in the Middle East) (like preventing mutual destruction fearing Saddam
from conquering crazy Iran, by selling arms to both sides, particularly Iran).
But what the modern day Nazis may demand in a world open to the truth about racial differences in intelligence seems just as crazy, if not more so
than it does now. With the facts in perspective I believe it will be harder for them to recruit. Meanwhile there are numerous advantages that would
mutually benefit the majority population, the Indians, the Jews and all the intelligent races, as well those segments within them that do well most.
All we have to do is allow-persuade the media to reveal it, then let politics take advantage of it. We are living in a different world to the
different past (for a start the race science is actually fact, and the approach should actually be libertarian and democratic) therefore the dangers
of the past do not apply like they did then; but they will do (one day in the distant future) if we will not deal with the truth now. And even if that
never happened we are still putting everyone (including ethnic minorities) with our policies, doomed to be incorrect as long as they are based on a
denial of reality.
Wow; what an essay?
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