Real Talk about Minority Privileges !!!, page 3


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reply posted on 21-3-2007 @ 10:53 AM by Deus_Brandon
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OR how about this ...

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- In the neighborhood President Bush visited right after Hurricane Katrina, the U.S. government gave $84.5 million to more than 10,000 households. But Census figures show fewer than 8,000 homes existed there at the time.


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reply posted on 21-3-2007 @ 04:50 PM by semperfortis
Raso, you grew up poor, so did I my friend and I think that we have experienced something that others that perhaps were not as poor do not even know exists...

Let me try and elaborate...

My Granny (The finest woman that ever lived, God rest her soul) raised me after my parents abandoned me on a street corner. She found me after awhile in a foster home, took me to the farm and began to teach me and raise me...

She got a check from social security. That is what I was raised on. Granpa was self employed before he died and Granny never worked, so the check was for the few years Granpa worked in the mines... I think it was about 150.00 dollars or less....

Once I went out and got a job, I had MONEY!!!!!

I bought the most frivolous and ridiculous things imaginable...

Know why?

I bet Raso does....

Because I had never had anything frivolous.... All of a sudden I could buy stuff!!! It took the Marines and YEARS of self discipline to stop that in myself....

It is hard to go through life poor and see everyone else with things that you can not afford... Then when you can, even though you know you should not buy them, that there are more important things to buy, you almost CAN NOT STOP yourself.... At times one can't stop at all...

I worked in the projects and saw this phenomenon hundreds of times.... Working there and living there I of course made friends and I watched those same people spend their checks on a new set of clothes and then watch their pride dissolve as they had to ask me for money to feed their family...

Don't judge this too harshly my friends, I know how they felt and I was always proud to be able to help when I could... Of course on a Cops salary, that was not much, but some...

What is the old saying about walking a mile in their shoes....

I know this is mildly off topic, but the references was made and I wanted to put my 2 cents in as usual...LOL

Semper


reply posted on 21-3-2007 @ 11:40 PM by gallopinghordes
This has been a very interesting thread and I've learned much. I would however, like to make a point that the Victim Culture isn't necessarily black but includes people of every skin tone. Many people feel that they are entitled to all they desire without having to work for it. Semper I believe that you made the point that children today are often not taught to accept responsiblity for their actions or inaction and this is very true. Working in the prison I've seen changes in attitudes when I first started many moons ago if I caught an inmate breaking the rules it was all about you caught me; now it's "Why you do me like that?" an attitude coped by individuals of all colors.

Two of our posters pointed out that they grew up poor as did I and it is hard when you finally have money to spend it wisely because it is so exciting to be able to buy stuff you don't actually need. As a single parent I wanted to buy my daughter all the stuff her peers had but couldn't sometimes it made me cry; but instead of going broke buying her stuff I told her I would match her dollar for dollar when she wanted a big tickey item. As a result she worked as I had at her age in the strawberry fields, babysitting and pulling weeds to earn her half of the PS2; she still has it and it works as well as it did when she earned it. Believe me gentlemen I know what you are saying. Kudos to both of you for rising above tough starts I hope I do as well as you.


reply posted on 22-3-2007 @ 10:49 AM by Rasobasi420
I'd like to bring up a previous point that wasn't quite addressed.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
One of the interesting points in this article is portion identified as 18th Century Biology

18th CENTURY BIOLOGY
European: eyes blue; gentle, acute, inventive. Covered with close vestments. Governed by laws

Asiatic: eyes dark; severe, haughty, covetous. Covered with loose garments. Governed by opinions

Black: phlegmatic, relaxed. African. Crafty, indolent, negligent. Anoints himself with grease. Governed by caprice

The System of Nature, Linnaeus, 1735


The article goes on to speak of this influence in today's society.


Ken Barnes says the effect of these generations-old stereotypes can be seen most starkly in the disproportionately poor educational results of black boys when compared with other groups.

"There is an expectation of failure for black children in schools," he says. "And it comes down to how they are historically perceived by the school system.

"Society's continuing image of black men affects the way teachers address the children. But this is a vicious circle. If you continually tell a child that it is naughty then it will act that way."


What is your take on this perspective? Do you think that it's a valid point? Are children from certain backgrounds being set up to fail out of the box?

And this perception of blacks in the 1700s

Black: phlegmatic, relaxed. African. Crafty, indolent, negligent. Anoints himself with grease. Governed by caprice


Do you see this in today's society? If so, do you believe it's a genetic trait, societal, or just a matter of an outsider's perception?









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reply posted on 30-3-2007 @ 10:01 PM by semperfortis
More from an interview with the same author...

“I grew up in segregation,” Steele said during my interview with him. “So I really know what racism is. I went to segregated school. I bow to no one in my knowledge of racism, which is one of the reasons why I say white privilege is not a problem.”

Steele claims, “The real problem is black irresponsibility,” which has produced high illegitimacy and high-school dropout rates that limit black progress. “Racism is about 18th on a list of problems that black America faces,” he says.

Steele says too many blacks and whites are stuck in the old conversation, as though it were 1950. And he thinks there are questionable motives for this on both sides: “If we can get a big discussion going about what white privilege is, we never have to look at what blacks themselves are doing. And black responsibility. How are we contributing to our own problems? How are we holding ourselves back? Why don’t our children do better in school than they do?”

Whites’ preoccupation with guilt and compensation such as affirmative action is actually a subtle form of racism, Steele says. “One of the things that is clear about white privilege, and so many of the arguments for diversity that pretend to be compensatory, is that they advantage whites. They make the argument that whites can solve (black people’s) problems. “¦ The problem with that is “¦ you reinforce white supremacy all over again. And black dependency.”

Steele says that when blacks make racism their central focus, they mire themselves in destructive victimization — and sabotage their own chances for advancement.

“White privilege is a disingenuous idea,” he says. In fact, now there is “minority privilege.”
John Stossel Interview


Semper


reply posted on 31-3-2007 @ 11:02 AM by rdang
I don't know if this is a "privledge"but the media seems to "hide" certain crimes.Take this for example.If this horrible crime was commited by white criminals it would be national news.Instead it was buried by the media.The details of this atrocity are unbelievable,the woman was forced to drink drain cleaner,the man was raped and had his privates removed. If the victims had been black the outcry would have been great.It is the media that controls race issues in the US.

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reply posted on 31-3-2007 @ 11:51 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Another black privilege is the privilege of ignoring black on black crime.

Selective Outrage over Black Crime Victims

Blacks are victims of crimes in far larger numbers than whites. So who is commiting these crimes? According to this article, the crime against blacks are mostly committed by blacks.




Why did certain blacks in Durham, North Carolina, rally around a black stripper claiming to have been gang raped by three white men but virtually ignore the more destructive trend of black-on-black crime in their midst? (Duke blogger KC Johnson elaborates on blacks’ deafening silence about the latest developments in the so-called rape case.)

Last year, four young black men were murdered by a black man in a drug-related incident, and I don’t remember the national or local NAACP or black citizens of Durham protesting against the perpetrator. I don’t recall the so-called New Black Panthers showing up at the courthouse and shouting him down, either.
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Isn’t death a more serious violation than rape? Isn’t taking a human life the ultimate violation?


We hear about how many blacks are in prisons, supposedly as a result of discriminatory practices in the legal system, but is that really the reason?

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