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Britons who refuse national ID forfeit passport 'privilage'?

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posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Anybody who objects to their personal details going on the new "Big Brother" ID cards database will be banned from having a passport.
James Hall, the official in charge of the supposedly-voluntary scheme, said the Government would allow people to opt out - but in return they must "forgo the ability" to have a travel document.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

/3dr7mg
i'm not familiar with this source, and i've been searching for another for a little while now, with no luck. is this true? can anyone confirm this?



Edn

posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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This has already started, anyone getting a new passport currently has most of there details stored in a chip on the passport and I assume on a database somewhere. My passport will only last till 2010.


Not that it matters, anyone who needs a passport but refuses to give up there life's details to the government can always acquire a passport from other sources.

On a side note, I thought you could leave the country without a passport?



posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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Awesome quote Edn.

As for the passport, I have said it once and I will say it again.

I believe britain is a police state and this is a result of it becoming a police state. I guess like forrest gump, thats all I got to say about that.



posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 02:18 PM
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This story has been going around and i think for sure its being set in place.


Officials later explained the meaning of his remark.

The first ID cards will be issued in 2009, to anybody who applies for a passport.

People will be required to give fingerprints, biometric details such as a facial scan and a wealth of personal details - including second homes, driving licence and insurance numbers.

All will be stored on a giant ID cards Register, which can be accessed by accredited Whitehall departments, banks and businesses.

While The ID Cards Bill was going through Parliament, peers agreed an "opt out" with Ministers for people who needed a passport, but did not want to participate in the ID cards scheme.

It was the only way the Lords would accept the legislation, amid howls of concern that it represents yet another move towards a surveillance society.



News


Also Take a look at this surveillance map 0-0

Seems here in the UK we are the most watched in Europe

www.privacyinternational.org...

[edit on 11-3-2007 by asala]



posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 04:08 PM
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People will be required to give fingerprints, biometric details such as a facial scan and a wealth of personal details - including second homes, driving licence and insurance numbers

All will be stored on a giant ID cards Register, which can be accessed by accredited Whitehall departments, banks and businesses.

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There are also concerns Ministers could be tempted to strike financial deals to pass on personal details, in a bid to recoup some of the enormous costs.


A danger of becoming a surveillance society..compared to the rest of the world Britain is such a society. Now big business will have access to your personal and private information..and considering the sheer scale of this computer system, just how private do you think your personal life really is in this country?

The alleged reason for the introduction of the controversial id scheme, was to beat fraud and illegal immigration..this from a government that went to war on the false premise of weapons they could not and still cannot find; a government that claimed illegal immigration was down whilst the rest of the country saw a rise in student and work visa allocation. A government that claims to further bring crime down by re-categorising what crime actually is, so that only the most serious offences are dealt with.

In Britain there are more CCTV cameras per person than anywhere else on earth..perhaps those cameras are pointing the wrong way. I view the introduction of this scheme as a form of control and manipulation on a huge scale. They could not get this scheme off the ground through voluntary means hence they are going for it via the back door and telling their electorate what to do instead of the other way round.

[edit on 11-3-2007 by Ross Cross]



posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Ross Cross

There was an article recently in my local paper - Yorkshire Evening Press, about the fact that school libraries were using biometric readers (fingerprints) for children to access their services. They did this without asking parental permission. The majority of parents vox popped on the subject saw no problem with it, but if it had been my child I would have gone up the wall. I was astounded by the apathy.

While I disagree with xphiles that we are a police state, I do think that the controls that are being exerted on us in the UK are in the extreme. We have less choices and freedoms than our grandparents did. We are the ultimate consumer society, controlled not by the state but by the market research industry. Our every move is monitored so that we can be better sold the products that they think we want.

Immigration policy is a joke. The opening of the EU has resulted in thousands of Eastern Europeans entering Britain and lowering our already below inflation wages. Resentment is rife and the s**t is going to hit the fan sooner or later. Whether they seek to further control us before this goes down I don't know. I just hope to get the hell out of my city before things erupt as they surely will. I often think that they are pushing people as far to the egde as they possibly can just to see us burst.

We, as a people are treated as nothing more than a replacable commodity. Its getting to be hard to be British and proud of that fact, nationalism has become a dirty word. I worry about what is going to happen next. What I am certain of is that it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before there is any hope that it will get better.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 07:58 AM
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We're not quite there yet, but Blair and co's obsession with modernity trumping human rights is taking us in that direction. ID cards, a centralized information database with no legal protections against abuse (apart from the Minister for Twattery, McNulty's word), CCTV cameras...they certainly have a natural born contempt for the will of the people that I would expect from the mix of Thatcherites and Stalinists Cabinet has.

Anyway, back to the question. The IPS is a single body within the Home Office dealing with ID cards. Presumably when you wish to update your passport, they use the information taken from that to create the ID cards too. So the only way to avoid one is to not renew the other. Very clever.

Unfortunately, for foreign born nationals such as myself, it seems we get our ID cards early, if we renew our passports at our own embassies or not. There doesn't seem to be much detail, except we can expect to get them some time next year and the method of "how" is curiously absent.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 08:16 AM
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On a side note, I thought you could leave the country without a passport?


You still need your passport tp leave the UK, we still have our border controls, (we opted out of free borders in Europe Member).




We're not quite there yet, but Blair and co's obsession with modernity trumping human rights is taking us in that direction. ID cards, a centralized information database with no legal protections against abuse (apart from the Minister for Twattery, McNulty's word), CCTV cameras...they certainly have a natural born contempt for the will of the people that I would expect from the mix of Thatcherites and Stalinists Cabinet has.


So much for it being voluntry though, eventually everyone will be forced to get one, weither you can afford the costs or not, (what about those on low income they wont be able to afford the costs of an ID Card). Thinkits ridiculous that we should be forced to get id cards, in the name of national security (ya right), must thinkwe are totally stuppppppid!!!!!!!!!!!!! T.Blair better remember he will be gone soon, (good riddance). The British Public wont take this lying down either. Can feel riots comming on,
(Anyone remember the poll tax riots)
(off with T.Blairs head)



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 08:47 AM
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Surveillance cams are starting in major Cities in Canada now. I'm not sure what to think of this type of non-public approved surveilance as yet.
In this age & time mayhaps its for the good of the majority. Pretty-bad when such intrusions can seem like a good thing.

Dunno asala?, maybe in the long run (these days) it's the right thing to do.

Dallas



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 08:49 AM
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They're planning this for the United States as well. Next step after this will be chip implants.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 09:25 AM
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I don't have a passport

I don't want a passport.

No problem



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 09:44 AM
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The ID card is the technologically updated way of saying "let me see your papers" as the SS did in Nazi Germany. They could conceivably put a proverbial "Star of David" on your card and track your location via RFID and send people to find, abduct, torture, kill, or anything else they want to do to you. The next step is to use cards for access to everything so that we will have to carry them around for daily travel.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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Isn't that special.

Nice precursor to the sub-cutaneous micro-chip made out of viral matter that can be signaled to disintegrate and end the life of its owner. Never mind getting out of the country, you won't eat without it.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 10:50 AM
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This is from Conservative Future


Like the idea of compulsory ID cards? Vote Labour
Concerned about compulsory ID cards? Vote Conservative

Then the real bombshell. A move so insidious that at first it seemed like a sick April Fool’s joke a few days late. But this is no laughing matter.

Charles Clarke has now stated that anyone can have a passport without having an ID card:
BUT THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE

Yes, like a spoiled baby who can’t get his own way, Charles Clarke won’t force passport applicants to have an ID card, but he will force them to pay for one.

Does the New Labour menace know no limits?


If you don't like it, don't vote Labour in at the next general election. It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas. This effectively socialist governament has gone too far with its proposed vehicle tracking, road pricing, and ID cards schemes. What's the common denominator in all of them? SURVEILLANCE



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 10:54 AM
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Just a tip to those of you that get the RFID'ed Passport...

If you want to disable it, without violating the "Do Not Tamper With It" laws...

...lay it flat on a hard surface, and whack it with a hammer a few times. That should take care of it.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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Looks like the very last pieces of the UK police state are rapidly falling into place. Not only can you not walk the street without being heavily surveiled, you cannot drive the roads without paying some type of "usage tax" and now this.

People, pay very careful attention. This is the model for the rest of the free world - coming soon to a country near you! Why the people of the UK continue to accept this form of fascism is completely beyond me. The reason that we haven't seen the full cycle of this in the US is that the government knows that it needs to loosen the people up some more first; otherwise there would be new revolution. Once the citizens of the US see that their brothers and sisters in the UK are "Fine" with the implementation of all of this "Security technology" it will begin to roll-out en masse in the US.

Prepare yourself people, the next revolution for true freedom is dawning!



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 12:29 PM
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Well i will fight against this, i will actually go to prison for it. I will resist until the end, but as for most of the british public, well they will do what they always do. Bend over and take it up the (cough). Well anyway yeah it's a joke, ID cards will do nothing for security, immigration or terrorism.
I can also see a large market for fake cards coming into existence. No doubt someone will be bribed in the offices where data is input, afterall having someone in that position would be a valuable commodity in the criminal world.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Just curious... I noticed this was from the Daily Mail (the UK equivolent of The Weekly World News). Are there other confirmed news sources on this or is this the only one?



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 05:18 PM
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Yes it's true, seen it discussed on various tv shows like question time (uk current affairs program). It's also been in other papers, you will need an ID card to go with any passport issued after 2010, and you were meant to be able to opt out but that's being contested now.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 07:09 PM
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I must admit I didn't originally have an issue with ID cards I mean other countries have them etc so whats the problem?

However I didn't really realise that So much information would be taken and stored, Criminals these days are pretty damn efficient in what they do so stealing someones life is going to be pretty easy to do it would seem.

The whole CCTV camera thing doesn't really bother me however, I mean most of them are used for security, I know if I was haveing the crap beaten out of me by someone I'd want them on CCTV so I can charge them, They are used for traffic as well.

I am getting pretty sick and tired of labour and to be honest I can stand anyone who voted for them last time what the hell were you thinking?

We need to get them out as quick as possible to even stand a chance of being able to live comfortably, I mean look at gordon brown he looks like someone who would pick you up by your ankles and shake your money out.




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