Steven Greers latest conference

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
Well that doesn't explain where the force is coming from. The source of the energy, still unexplained by our conventional science. Cause, there is energy spent to hold the magnet up there, ever second it's up there. Energy is spent to hold it against gravity. Where is the energy coming from?
Don't even try to answer, cause you can't without talking about space-time curvature or the ZPE flux field.

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When quantum mechanics and the Pauli Exclusion Principle are accounted for, the electrical energy within these atoms is found to be lower if the magnetic moments of the valence electrons are aligned. This makes them ferromagnetic. Every ferromagnet has its own individual temperature, called the Curie temperature, or Curie point, above which it loses its ferromagnetic properties. This is because the thermal tendency to disorder overwhelms the energy lowering due to ferromagnetic order. A perfectly aligned ferromagnet is said to have long-range order because all of its atoms have their magnetic moments pointing in the same direction. Real ferromagnets are not perfectly aligned, but rather contain perfectly aligned regions, called magnetic domains, which have their own magnetization directions.

Originally posted by kroms33

Permanent magnets produce fields through the orientation of the electron orbits and spins of the atoms in the magnet. These fields/electrons interact with objects such as metal (iron) depending on the strength of the field.
Each permanent magnet is made from metal which has tiny regions called 'domains' - which point randomly, but can be partially aligned. If you take a magnet and break it in have you would now have two magnets - both with N and S poles - keep going until the nearly the atomic level... magnetic domains.

Originally posted by kroms33


Millerman:


Since earth is a gravitational body, with its own magnetic field - perhaps the energies that earth is exerting throughout our solar system are attributed to the energies of permanent magnets? Since earth is rich in iron - and all magnets (permanent ones) are made from iron... perhaps their charge is from earths magnetic field? just guessing right now... I am no physicist. Everything is made up of atoms though... so, it would make sense.

In his recent autobiographical book, Forbidden Science, Vallee summed up his views about the provenance of UFOs, a viewpoint that he's developed through decades of research: "The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them." So much for anti-gravity-powered starships ferrying Big Brothers from outer space. Vallee thinks UFOs are likely "windows" to other dimensions manipulated by intelligent, often mischievous, always enigmatic beings we have yet to understand.

Vallee moved to America from his native France in the early 1960s, as young astronomer-turned-computer scientist. Vallee pioneered the use of computers to analyze and categorize the UFO phenomenon, and his 1965 book, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, is still considered one of the most scholarly books on UFOs ever written. At Northwestern University, Vallee assisted Prof. J. Allen Hynek, the academic consultant on the Air Force's infamous Project Bluebook, now seen by most saucer students as either a half-hearted government effort to address the UFO craze of the 1950s and 1960s or a full-blown coverup. While working with Hynek, Vallee and his wife, Janine, compiled the first-ever computer database of UFO sightings.

In 1969, Vallee published another groundbreaking book, Passport to Magonia, in which he collected a body of folkloric "myths" that read remarkably like modern UFO encounters, from Celtic tales of fairyland abductions to Biblical passages and medieval chronicles of "visitors" from beyond. Building on Carl Jung's thesis that UFOs are a sociological phenomenon, a product of the collective unconscious, Vallee forever left behind the space-bound E.T. theorists. But his folklorist's approach to the problem would influence a number of later researchers and writers who continue to echo his ideas about other-dimensional forms of consciousness. Best-selling author Whitley Strieber, Harvard "abductee psychologist" John Mack, and journalist Keith Thompson (author of Angels and Aliens all owe a debt to Vallee. Stephen Spielberg paid homage to Vallee in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, basing his French scientist character (played by Francois Truffaut) on the real French UFO theorist.


[edit on 22-4-2007 by corsair00]

Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 - April 27, 1986) was a U.S. astronomer, professor, and ufologist.

He is probably best remembered for his UFO research: Hynek acted as scientific advisor to three consecutive UFO studies undertaken by the U.S. Air Force: Project Sign (1947-1949), Project Grudge (1949-1952), and finally, Project Blue Book (1952 to 1969); for decades afterwards, he conducted his own independent UFO research.

In 1977, at the First International UFO Congress in Chicago, Hynek presented his thoughts in his speech "What I really believe about UFOs". "I do believe," he said, "that the UFO phenomenon as a whole is real, but I do not mean necessarily that it's just one thing. We must ask whether the diversity of observed UFOs . . . all spring from the same basic source, as do weather phenomena, which all originate in the atmosphere", or whether they differ "as a rain shower differs from a meteor, which in turn differs from a cosmic-ray shower." We must not ask, Hynek said, what hypothesis can explain the most facts, but we must ask, which hypothesis can explain the most puzzling facts. (C. Fuller, 156-157)

"There is sufficient evidence to defend both the ETI and the EDI hypothesis," Hynek continued. As evidence for the ETI (extraterrestrial intelligence) he mentioned, as examples, the radar cases as good evidence of something solid, and the physical-trace cases. Then he turned to defending the EDI (extradimensional intelligence) hypothesis. Besides the aspect of materialization and dematerialization he cited the "poltergeist" phenomenon experienced by some people after a close encounter; the photographs of UFOs, some times on only one frame, not seen by the witnesses; the changing form right before the witnesses' eyes; the puzzling question of telepathic communication; or that in close encounters of the third kind the creatures seem to be at home in earth's gravity and atmosphere; the sudden stillness in the presence of the craft; levitation of cars or persons; the development by some of psychic abilities after an encounter. "Do we have two aspects of one phenomenon or two different sets of phenomena?" Hynek asked. (C. Fuller, 157-163)

Finally he introduced a third hypothesis. "I hold it entirely possible," he said, "that a technology exists, which encompasses both the physical and the psychic, the material and the mental. There are stars that are millions of years older than the sun. There maybe a civilization that is millions of years more advanced than man's. We have gone from Kitty Hawk to the moon in some seventy years, but it's possible that a million-year-old civilization may know something that we don't ... I hypothesize an 'M&M' technology encompassing the mental and material realms. The psychic realms, so mysterious to us today, may be an ordinary part of an advanced technology." (C. Fuller, 164-165)

Originally posted by kroms33
Ok, I am watching it - I think Greer is loosing some credibility because he is turning this into a "New Age" religion.

He should have left it to a scientific / witness discussion - instead of "Cosmology" - I am very disappointed.

It's now about money.

Sorry for the edit - but HOW can anyone with a scientific mind take anything what he says at face value... I thought the disclosure project was going to get the ball rolling - now I see that it is just a wacky ride for people who are caught up in the 'new age' religious beliefs of the minority of the UFO believers.

Seems very dis-informative to me... thus placing Greer among a long line of non-scientific 'kooks' making mass profits off of people with books, conferences and DVDs...

I know many will attack my views about this - but look at it from a scientific level. I believe UFOs exist - but for the public to accept this as fact - you don't make it spiritual - you make it scientific and present facts.

MAN AM I DISAPPOINTED.

[edit on 3/11/2007 by kroms33]

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
It is to be quite arrogant to believe, we know everything, and we master every science, and we understand how visitors from space are coming to our planet.

What I find even more interesting, is that us Human, have a hard time to learn from our past mistakes.

Blasphemy was the word used when we were told this planet wasn't flat. And where we discovered we were not the center of the universe. And do you remember when someone said we could fly?

So today, it's the same pattern repeating over. People denials can only last for so long, before we embrace the new science and the new spiritual world opening to us. 500 000 years of peace is coming to us, and nothing can stop it from happening, it's already there, we just have to find a way to materialise it.

Originally posted by corsair00
People often are somewhat appalled, or more than slightly turned-off, by the so-called "New Age" views associated with UFOs. Steven Greer was very well known to be very respected in the disclosure movement and was taken seriously by many who understood the information he presented. But, when he started talking about things that initially sound flaky and New Age, such as "consciousness" and "Oneness" and "The Infinite" etc- people just can't get on with that. And why not? Is it scientific dogma? The days of the so-called "Enlightenment" of scientific empiricsm, rationalism and materialism are ending. This is clearly very very difficult for many people involved with UFOlogy. That is why I would like to remind you all of 2 very well-known and well-respected UFO researchers, who were involved in classified research, and their conclusions about UFOs. Do you remember, or even know, the names Josef Allen Hynek and/or Jacques Vallee? Here is some information to help acquaint you with them....

Jacques Vallee (the following text is from: www.ufoevidence.org... )



excellent post...your a credit to the truth.
thanks for the links.

Originally posted by junglelord
ETE that do not have M&M, but have light speed in quantum ships figured out.
ETE That have M&M

Originally posted by junglelord
from about five post up

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
Tattoo1377, Steven Greer has 3 different missions.

Disclosure Project - Shining the light on the cover up, with witnesses.
Disclosure Project - New Energy - Zero Point Energy
CSETI - Training people for contact.

He has been doing that for years. You were just not aware of it.
He made it public through his book too.