Europe is dead, America next...

I believe this article really surmising the actual conspiracy that will lead to the downfall of the west and already has except in certain refuges like the US and Australia.

One thing is for certain, America is alone in this coming struggle.

www.washtimes.com...

Those who think that Europe is America's past, think again.Europe matters to America. It matters more than ever before. Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy and the liberal special-interest groups that currently dominate Congress want to reshape America in Europe's image: socialist, secularist and multicultural.
Americans who want to know what their country will be like 20 years from now if it follows the path its politicians want it to take, need only look at Europe. There, one can see what the undermining of Judeo-Christian values, higher taxes, onerous regulations and big, intrusive government will lead to: the collapse of a civilization.
First there was the rise of the welfare state, which led to the steady emergence of highly taxed, slow-moving and maladaptive economies that must support growing and eventually unsupportable demands by the citizens.
Second, there was secularism. People who have the state taking care of them from the cradle to the grave no longer need God. The welfare state also intentionally undermined religion to crush the spirit of freedom among its subjects. And it undermined demographics, because people who do not believe in God do not believe in the future and see children as a burden.
Third, a wholly new danger emerged, namely that of welfare immigration -- the immigration of people, increasingly from cultures which have not been shaped by the basic forces of European civilization, who come purely for the purpose of claiming benefits.

Take Holland, for example, Europe's equivalent of San Francisco. This is Pelosi Land. The Dutch are pampered by an extensive welfare system. They were the first in Europe to legalize abortion, euthanasia and homosexual "marriage." Today, Islam is filling the void that was left when the Dutch created a religious vacuum in the heart of their culture. There are already 1 million Muslims in the Netherlands out of a total population of 16 million. Their number is rising fast because the Muslims are fecund while the secularist Dutch have hardly any offspring.
The native Dutch are moving out. Since 2004, more indigenous Dutchmen have emigrated each year than immigrants have moved in. People who have lost faith in God do not fight. They run. Since they do not believe in life after death, this life is the only thing they have to lose. One emigrant Dutchman, a homosexual author who lives in Brussels, writes: "I am not a warrior. I do not fight for freedom. I am only good at enjoying it." This mentality has affected the whole of Western Europe. A young German woman recently said that it is "better to let yourself be raped than risk injuries while resisting, better to avoid fighting than risk death." Europe has chosen the path of submission. Islamization is not the cause but the consequence of the collapse of Europe. The very word Islam means "submission." Many Europeans have submitted already. In that sense, they have already become Muslims.

That is pretty damn scary. "I will not fight for freedom," that kind of mentality has alredy doomed europe and their fall will be forthcoming.

Pay attention Americans, this is what is going to happen to us if we dont abandon the ultra-leftist influences in our culture.

um, i see no problem with the dutch welcoming muslims...
are you saying that tolerance = bad?

how is europe dead?
i really don't get your point here

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
um, i see no problem with the dutch welcoming muslims...
are you saying that tolerance = bad?

how is europe dead?
i really don't get your point here

The original poster is a former [allgedly former] white supremacist. If you want tolerance, you are asking the wrong person.

He hates anyone not white and militantly pro american. So basically, to his way of thinking, Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Muslims, Hispanics, Blacks, are all sub standard to him. The amount of times this guy does threads like this are just ridiculous in their huge volume.

Originally posted by Terran Blue

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
um, i see no problem with the dutch welcoming muslims...
are you saying that tolerance = bad?

how is europe dead?
i really don't get your point here

The original poster is a former [allgedly former] white supremacist. If you want tolerance, you are asking the wrong person.

He hates anyone not white and militantly pro american. So basically, to his way of thinking, Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Muslims, Hispanics, Blacks, are all sub standard to him. The amount of times this guy does threads like this are just ridiculous in their huge volume.

Terran, I would appreciate it if you would not spread lies about me. I am not a white supremacist.

and madness, read the article.

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Terran, I would appreciate it if you would not spread lies about me. I am not a white supremacist.

Oh but you are xphiles. You have told people from ATS chat before, and what can I say, word gets around.

But hey, I like to think ATS as a more democratic site than most, so if you want to represent the far far far right, then no worries.

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
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...people who do not believe in God do not believe in the future and see children as a burden.

That is a HUGE assumption and making such assumptions is a sure path to foolish thinking. I know many people who do not believe in god yet very much believe in a positive future and take great care to provide for their offspring. In addition, having spent a fair amount of time living and working in various countries in Europe, I find this article to be very simplistic and generalizing. Uh huh so the Dutch are all gay and the Germans care nothing about being raped. Right. I know many people who would differ with that uninformed opinion.

Allah Akbar.

This article has a point and there is a great deal of truth in it, especially as far as it applies to Britain. High taxes, welfare, welfare immigration..Yup. Retail therapy is a national pass-time and generally what you find the masses doing on a sunday.

In Britain resentment is brewing though. In any nation it is the lower classes who are trapped, middle and upper classes, have mobility. And it is the working classes that are complaining in their own way. There is an undercurrent of violence in everyday life in some areas. Britain has with entrance to the EU permitted the mass influx of Eastern European labour which has lowered the wages in construction jobs (which is apart from tourism and retail the only growth industry in some regions) - the bosses are happy but the people are not. It is within the housing estates that the true picture of 'multi-culturalism' is demonstrated.

Sure I could find good things to say about Britain, but that's not really the point. The point is does the US want to end up like Europe.

A common misconception is that the British are free. We are not, we have no constitution. We do not have freedom of speech or the press. Nor do we have the right to bear arms. The laws against terrorism have further impinged up on our civil liberties and there are now limitation of our right to public assembly.

From the outside looking in, I can't help but think that your government and the powers that control that government, will want to remove certain liberties prescribed by the constitution. Freedom of press and speech of course, but more importantly the right to bear arms. As I am sure every american knows this is about more than being able to own a gun, it is about your individual sovereinty. The right to defend your way of life. You don't actually need to possess an actual gun.

We in Britain certainly have no such right - with or without the guns. They could allow us to own guns but it would not give us that fundamental right that all citizens of america have to defend themselves. I hope never to ever handle a gun or have one in my home but what I wouldn't give to have that right.

By becoming like Europe that is really what the people of the US have to fear. The way the world is going (to hell in a hand-cart!!), the US government (or the powers that be?!?) have got to want to take those rights away from you.

The incident at Ruby Ridge effectively removed the idea of frontierism from the US national mind-set. Waco had similar impact. Gradually nibbling away at the concept of being able to defend your way of life.

Cynically I see the Oklahoma bombing as an action of 'Manufacturing Consent'. The identification of religious communes as harbourers of anti-americanism and terrorists. By blowing up the Murrah building, sympathy for the 'pioneer' was lost. They instead became the enemy within. The right to bear arms gets all mixed up in terrorism and the game is on.

I am sure that some members of the US population see no need for the rights I mention. But when it comes to limitation on the socio-economic choices that individuals can make, the US is far better off than we are and much of the reason is tied up in the constitution and the very reasons that the US came to be.

may i add my opinion if you allow.

i live in europe and can tell you things aren't that clear as xphilesfan tells. but there are problems indeed. i wouldn't say all these things going on, are in connection with not believing in god. and dutch people generally are just more liberal than others in europe.(eg. many hungarians and polish emmigrate these years, not because they dont believe but couse in eastern parts unemployment is bigger problem.) i'd rather say nowadays migrations inside europe are because people are getting less nationalistic. i mean it doesnt matter for them so much in which county they live like a few decades ago.
but also multiculturalism is kind of a problem in some cases but its not global. dutch ppl do have problem with moslims eg. as i know mostly because they get the same rights as native ppl thanks to the liberal state and the idea of multiculturalism, meanwhile they dont accept the laws or cultural restrictions (like not killing women inside of the family if they made something wrong).

and also i wouldt say europe is over. who knows what will happen? this is rather a prediction. eg. for me it seems USA is starting to lose its 'world's number one' status. however it doesnt mean a thing, maybe you ppl will be able to remain first for an additional century. and no offense

[edit on 10-3-2007 by berengaar]

I just don't see how a socialist government can be argued for when the growth of the European economy is so small compared to the US - and yet the article is right, these Democrats argue for a socialist society.

Those articles seemed like a bunch of pro-church propaganda. Or at least some form of scare tactic directed tword a certain type of reader to rile them up. The North and South American continents and the people who live there are not the same as europeans. We will continue to be different. Don't forget about the fact that europe doesn't have the vast amounts of natural resourses that the Americas do. Thier problems with immigration are thier own faults though, but they freely admit that. However, isn't France and England the only european countrys really being harmed by that? Plus, don't overlook Norway, they are possibly the best run country in the world right now. They have an excellent energy plan, well done laws, and are environmentally forward thinking.

The article forgets a quite important factor about Dutch Emmigration numbers (and belgians which are subject to the same important factor).

The Dutch and the belgians emmigrate temporarely to either work or see the world, but in general they don't do it to emmigrate in the sense the article seems to understand it.

They don't to it to get out of their country, they don't do it to become citizens of another country. They are explorers (and if you know history, you know they always have been) and mostly return home eventually.

Originally posted by Terran Blue

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Terran, I would appreciate it if you would not spread lies about me. I am not a white supremacist.

Oh but you are xphiles. You have told people from ATS chat before, and what can I say, word gets around.

But hey, I like to think ATS as a more democratic site than most, so if you want to represent the far far far right, then no worries.

Id like to know how someone who has recently joined thinks they know anything about me.

The article is a social commentary about the moral decay of europe which has led to a culture ripe for conquering. Since they dont support a theology, islam will replace it. I am not saying that people who do not believe in God do not fight for what is theirs, I am merely stating that this seems to be the mindset in europe and this is a plausible theory. Europeans seem to think ignoring the problem will go away.

Essentially european culture will go the way of the dinosaur as new immigrants instill their religion, values, cultrure, and way of doing things in their new host countries. How many of you have already seen the effects of this? You hav egroups that actually want Sharia religous law instilled into government practice!

Some of you think im a paranoid racist, well so be it. I am stressing the importance of trying to secure what is yours, but as the article states, national pride etc has already been taken away from europeans. I am not saying that acceptance of other cultures and ideas is wrong, im saying that to allow it to change the essence of your country is wrong. Europe has never been islamic, it is now.

I am sorry, but my future is not assimilation into a middle eastern culture or any other culture. I am what I am and will always remain so. I am proud to be an American and I am proud that we are the ones who are dying to prevent the eventual tyranny of islamic theocracies from reaching our shores.

Err okay xphiles.

Religion is not an issue in western europe because we worship consumerism. The muslims who enter european culture will not be converting us, we will be converting them - to shopping.

This is what the bankers and industrialist want. They want everyone borrowing money and buying 'stuff'. That is the new world order. Islamic muslims are not upgrading their ipods and mobile phones every five minutes. They are not good consumers.

That we as a nation and as a continent are largely secular may or may not be a good thing, but it is the material world that has corrupted us and the US has experienced that more than any other nation. Even your religions are consumable. The televangelists 'selling' religion.

You are under no threat from muslims, none at all. They have everything to fear from you, because you beleive the BS.

It is the Islamic states that stand in the way of total capitalist world domination. They stand in the way of free-trade.

The Musilims are on the side of individualism. They might not know it and we certainly haven't really realised it yet but the old adage remains for me - My enemy's enemy is my friend.......Don't let your those that govern you define you.

Good thread, Xphiles. I agree that there are members of our Congress who want a more socialistic USA. If we allow them to succeed, we are doomed.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Err okay xphiles.

Religion is not an issue in western europe because we worship consumerism. The muslims who enter european culture will not be converting us, we will be converting them - to shopping.

Riight... that's why France is doing so well with the muslim youth that riot and burn, eh?

Jsobecky -

You honestly think that these riots are about religion - get a grip. The riots are about the fact that these youths feel as though they belong nowhere. They have nothing in common with their parents and are unwelcomed by the general population. It is about the desire to assimilate, to be a part of the culture that they live in, not some distant concept of what their parents say their lives should be like. This is exactly why they are so vunerable to extremeism - why anyone is vunerable to extremeism, because as humans we all desire to belong to something.

You seem closed to any perspective unless it can be rationalised with the beliefs that you currently hold. I cannot believe that any intelligent human being can actually believe that muslims are out to convert the christians - excuse me while I sew my sides back up. L&L&L&L&L&LOL

When you finally finish high school and go out into the real world you may just expand the realms of your knowledge and know better, until then I think I'll avoid wasting my time on your miniscule mind-set.

All the best.

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Id like to know how someone who has recently joined thinks they know anything about me.

Yes, you WOULD like to know wouldn't you. Well, you won't know, so get over it. But I will say this: I have done my homework.

I really would have liked to join the discussion, cause the issue interests me as it is stated in the title.

However the link the OP takes it outset in his highly biased and from one of most dubious news outlet in the world (even more than faux), so I decline.

Instead I can offer a link about Sun Myung Moon and his propaganda pamphlet, Washington Times, about the 'Ongoing Crime Enterprise' of Moon/Bush.

It's distortions and disinfo like presented in athe OP link, that sooner or later might lead to war between U.S. and Europe.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Jsobecky -

You honestly think that these riots are about religion - get a grip.

Where did I mention religion? Point it out.

You mentioned

Religion is not an issue in western europe because we worship consumerism. The muslims who enter european culture will not be converting us, we will be converting them - to shopping.

My point was, the French are doing a real good job converting the youth to shopping, aren't they?

Originally posted by jsobecky
Riight... that's why France is doing so well with the muslim youth that riot and burn, eh?

that's not an islam issue, it's a culture issue. were the LA riots a christian issue? because the demographics of LA show that those who participated in it would have been overwhelmingly christian

i read the article, and it's basically saying that following the secularism of the constitution is bad, that europe is socialist (which is a word that people really need to learn the true meaning of) in some sort of demonic manner, and that multiculturalism is bad (which i'm going to assume means only good ol' white christian culture is good).

and it isn't even a news article, it's an op-ed piece.

just when i saw the phrase "undermining of judeo-christian values" i saw it was crap. this article tries to assert that morality is tied to religion. actually, it goes a step further and says morality is tied to christianity...

yeah, that's just bull. look at all the secular moral philosophy out there. judeo-christian values aren't necessary. we have secular humanism, being good for the sake of being good, isn't that better than the bronze age belief in being good so you don't get punished?