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reply posted on 10-3-2007 @ 04:36 PM by coven
Originally posted by Lexion
Again, this isn't about the legality of smoking cannabis.
It's about the ability to search a residence due to the odor of burning pot.

Please stay on topic.

Wait, you admitted that you're a "pothead".
You're not excused.

Lex

Edit to add : This was directed at Coven.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by Lexion]

right... my statement was about the number of americans that smoke pot and the disinformation surrounding the entire topic... please realize this is on topic... I'm not discussing the legality, I am discussing the Number of American citizens who's rights are being ignored by this search process...

Wait, you admitted that you're a "pothead".
You're not excused.

ohhhh... so because I have the balls to admit, instead of drinking, I toke at home, a lot... that makes my point mute? dude get off your "high" horse, and realize that just because you don't like something someone does doesn't make them incorrect, or inable to comment on the topic...

ohhh... and this has been ruled on by the SCOTUS... I fought a case using the SC case. basically, using a study performed by the University of Massachuchetts (sp?) {it has been 3 1/2 years since I won this case} which pulled 100 DEA trained officers (50 human 50 k-9) out of the 100, 100% failed... False positives always turned up on burning motor oil, amazingly. The SC case was dismissed due to this study and the defendent walked on 750 lbs. of Marijuana. My case was dismissed with the evidence of the SC case, and the Documentation that my vehicle had an oil leak/burnoff at the time of the traffic stop.


So yes my comments are valid to this arguement... Lots of American's smoke pot...

great example for you... Your neighbor is having a pot party stinking up the neighborhood... Oh #... here come the cops... and they smell it in front of YOUR house... Whose door should they kick in? they smell it at your house...

Smell is not probable cause, because smell is based off of too many different factors... I live in TN, we have BAD ALLERGIES IN THIS STATE... How in the hell is a TN cop gonna smell pot, when I can't even smell my sons poopy diaper till i do the up close sniff test? Just one example of how sense of smell is inadmissable, because technically theres no way to prove you know what your smelling...


Got it???


GOOD..

COVEN OUT


reply posted on 10-3-2007 @ 04:42 PM by MystikMushroom
Originally posted by shots
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I will also conceed that laws were made/passed for a reason--and to break them is wrong.



Good now that you have established that breaking the law is wrong, you are left with no other argument. This is not about making laws it is about enforcing those we already have.


No, this is not about enforcing laws we already have...

This is about becoming aware that the laws we already have were forced upon the US population under a guise of fear and eventual "protection".

I agree that we as a society are to be held responsible for the laws we allow to be passed.

But these laws that were passed 60 years ago were done withought the scientific chemical analyisis that has been done in cannabis-acceptable nations (the Netherlands).

Finding funding here in the USA to study the effects of THC and other CDB's in the human brain is almost a certain death sentance.

No self-resepecting bio-chem scientist is going to take on the cannabis issue--it equates to career suicide.

Thank god that other European countries are not as draconian in their social mindset (because of media brainswashing ala "reefer madness")

These countries since the 70's have shown that THC (the active component of marijuana) actually inhibits the replication of cancer cells.

Thank GOD some countries can realize that this plant is more than an intoxicant (and a mild one at that) and understand that it's chemical make-up might just actually hold the cure for many of our currently "un-curable" diseases (like cancer/tumors)...

Laws were passed here withought thought/science...

Breaking them is fundementally wrong, but questioning them and trying to change them based on new research and information is NOT WRONG.


reply posted on 10-3-2007 @ 04:55 PM by Pumcy
Originally posted by shots
Originally posted by Orwells Ghost
It's a step in the right direction. The United States really need to ease up on it's draconian Marijuana laws.


Sorry but I have to disagree. This is a step backwards as I see it. the fact is it is illegal in most of the world and should also be here. You can be arrested in many countries although some discourage police from arresting people. But that does not make it legal.



The fact is it was only banned in the US before more than 90% of contries that currently have regulation on Marijuana.
Up until the 1930's weed was perfectly legal in north america. it wasnt until a huge propaganda campaign that claimed that pot was addictive and made you go crazy came out that it was criminalized. Canada followed suit shortly after, as well as many other western cultures.

The fact is there is no reason for pot to be illegal. Its only a gateway drug if you let it be associated as such. if it were legalized, it wouldnt be distributed through "dealers" and it would be taxable money. Other drugs wouldnt be a question away.
Right now the US has more poeple locked up per capita than anywhere else in the world. Many of those locked up were for simple pot charges. Its supposed to be the land of the free, but the way i see it, you're slaves and you dont even know it.
Pot laws are unjust and should be changed.
this is definately a step in the right direction.

Marijuana causes less physical and social maladies than booze ever has. there is no reason for it to be illegal. let me do what i want, i'm no hurting anyone but myself.


reply posted on 10-3-2007 @ 05:02 PM by rocknroll
I am for the decriminalization of marijuana.
Tobacco is way more hazardous to your health. When was the last time you heard of a pot smoker dying of cancer or emphysema? Answer: Never. Weed doesn't have all the poisons and chemicals in it that our government lets the tobacco industry dump into cigarettes. Weed, isn't lifelong addicting like tobacco. You don't crave THC like people crave nicotine. Cigarettes are like smoking heroin that doesn't get you stoned; they just get you incredibly addicted.....the withdrawal is nightmarish.......not with weed though.

Then we have alcohol, which totally ruins people's lives, gets them so addicted they have delirium tremors.....can actually die without it. Not with weed though. Drunken driving accidents are the number one reason for most deadly car crashes. I mean, when was the last time you heard about someone wrecking a car high on grass. I've read studies where most people high on grass tend to be extra careful and overly cautious while driving stoned, whereas when you're drunk you drop all inhibitions. Nobody gets double vision after too much smoke. You don't throw up or get hangovers.

So we have 2 horribly addictive, destructive drugs and they're both legal, and acceptable to boot.

The problem is we have the old school fuddie-duds still running Washington, drinking their martinis and beer, smoking their cigars and cigarettes; looking down their noses at the younger generation that embraced weed. But very soon that whole generation will die off. Finally, the old hippy generation will take over the Supreme Court, and yeah, somewhere soon down the road mary jane will be decriminalized.

If only the folks who think it's evil would lighten up and realize they're being fooled....the real evils are tobacco and alcohol.....and they're acceptable and legal.....go figure. Only in America. And I disagree, it's not a hallucinogen. I think it's in it's own class. No other chemical produces the same mellow. euphoric feeling on this planet. It's not a hard drug at all.


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reply posted on 10-3-2007 @ 07:00 PM by souls
this is a good post. as for the topic at hand, it is a step in the right direction. as many here had pointed out, the smell of bud is not enough to justify search. the smell can easily be mistaken with anything else. i don't need to have the balls to admit that i smoke it, i don't need it medically, all recreational and what. i don't rob people, i don't commit fraud, i don't steal taxes, i don't declare war on other people, i dont kill people, i dont have "reefer madness"
reefer madness...sheesh. anyway there are various
strains of bud and alot of them have different, very distinguishable smells. i once had some purple that smelled a lot like coffee, and was very dank, unfortunately only once. i've had some that smell like oranges, some like skunk, some like "culo" (means ass), blueberries, some even have smelled like laundry detergent (probably was). this goes the same if you roll it in a blunt or papers. when you roll it, all you can smell is the swisher or the zig-zag, meaning tobacco because they are made from tobacco leaves. the only people that can probably distinguish the smell 100%, well 99%, of the time, are those who smoke it. there was a post earlier where someone used the example of what if the cops smelled it coming from your house, but it was the neighbors. what if? i've had people tell me, "man, i could smell it all the way from the other block, that's why i came." this is off topic but as for why it is illegal. i saw a documentary on drugs the other day on the history channel where they gave the back round on why drugs are illegal. according to them, marijuana was made illegal because...they said...man i forgot. anyway the link is above. watch it if you really care. as for me, gotta go hit a bowl.

edit= typos and to say that i might have gotten the wrong documentary, oops! typical stoner, if it is not the one i posted, i'll find it...just give me a minute or three. but the one i saw said it was because it was getting problematic in the border between mexico and usa. basically, they wanted to keep mexicans from hanging out and crossing back and forth (there was no border fence) into the usa.

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