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Genesis 1:1 - Billions of years of History?

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posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 09:25 PM
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The first verse in the Bible states that in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth and the Earth was without form and void and the Spirit of God was brooding over it.

Now think about it. God is perfect and all powerful and therefore why would he create something that was messed up then get mad about it?

The way I read this verse is God created an Earth and a universe. Something happened that destroyed it all (perhaps the war in Heaven when satan was cast out). God looked upon the destruction of His universe and was brooding (upset) over it. So He recreated everything in six days.

When God made the first Earth and universe it may have been around for billions of years before the war in heaven destroyed it all so Genesis 1:1 may actually cover billions of years of history in one simple verse.

Just a thought.




posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 09:32 PM
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Brooding has other meanings. Perhaps linguistics could be better in that translation. As for me... Man created God in their image back in the day, because they needed answers and comfort in their uncertainty.



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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I agree about brooding having different meanings, but why would He create an earth that was without form and void then brood about it? God makes everything perfect. I don't see why He would just throw some stuff out into the universe and then get mad because it is messed up.

I think he actually made a decent universe then when satan got all high and mighty and tried to storm God's thrown, then everything got destroyed in the ensuing war in Heaven.

Who knows, perhaps some of the supposed "cities" and other atificial looking objects on Mars were actually places where angels hung out until the war destroyed them?

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posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Terapin
Brooding has other meanings. Perhaps linguistics could be better in that translation. As for me... Man created God in their image back in the day, because they needed answers and comfort in their uncertainty.


Who lit the fuse?

It is those who deny the existence of a higher power are those needing comfort.
I can agree with evolutionists and big bang theorists upto a point. Part of the plan, or an unexpected result? God very well may be a scientists testing a hypothesis and we are floating around in a vacuum.

To dismiss the existence of God because one cannot comprehend is silly.
The reality is our understanding ends at the bang...who lit the fuse?

Did the elements required for the explosion come from no where?


WAS IT MAJIC?

"a day is but a thousand years" Peter 3:8, tells us that we have no comprehension of time. Explains the 7 day creation story.

The reality for me is understanding through faith that I have no clue to what is going on (The PLAN), but I do know that logical thinking alone leans more toward the existence of GOD, Something bigger than us, someone who lit the fuse if nothing else.



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by ozmorphus

I agree about brooding having different meanings, but why would He create an earth that was without form and void then brood about it? God makes everything perfect. I don't see why He would just throw some stuff out into the universe and then get mad because it is messed up.


I'm in no way religious, but it seems to me, you've answered your own question.

Either you have faith and believe, or you do as you are. Question and find your own path.

Luck be with you,
Lex



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 03:54 PM
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Pesky George I agree with you and have been asking that question of evolutionist for years and none have been able to give me an answer.

I ask the question, "What made the matter that was blown out during the big bang?" One answer I got was dust collected over eons of time. Well what made the dust.

Another question I have is how did seeds come about? If all matter exploded from some huge ball then how did seeds get made and were able to survive extreme heat and pressure as the Earth was being formed? Once the earth cooled, how did plants grow if there were no seeds?

The only logical explanation to the creation of the universe is God created it.



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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This in no way is meant to insult.
How were seeds formed ?

Try some biology classes. Starting around 7th grade, when it's discussed
how the newly formed Earth heated and cooled, and how simple cell ameoba formed into multi-structured cells.

It gets better from there, I won't spoil the ending.
(hint, it's Rosebud)

Lex



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 06:17 PM
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It is also said that I am the Alpha and the Omega or the beginning and the end.

There are parallels in the story of Genesis and what one can imagine the renewal of the Earth. In this context, Genesis becomes the story of creation told not afterwards, but beforehand.

Just something to consider.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 11:31 PM
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Most, if not all, of the planets in the galaxy are formless and void. Why would the earth be any different at the start? I see undeveloped planets liken to unmolded clay to a potter. The earth was just the first one to be prepared for human habitation. If you study the various planets in the solar system you'll notice a common theme. Most of them have a dense atmosphere filled with material (elements) which could be manipulated to form complex biological systems.



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 03:54 AM
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Well I would say no, not billions of years. Not according to the Hebrew language used in Genesis. The word Yom, Hebrew, means Day in the literal 24 hour sense. Especially when Yom is coupled with a qualifier word, such as the "Sixth Day". Any Hebrew scholar will be able to tell you this.

So then, the six creation days were actually six (24-hour) days. If you believe the rest of the Bible is true, don't alter the beginning of it to suit you. Or you will soon find yourself altering the rest of it to suit you as well.



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 04:07 AM
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I've always wondered if it was actually meant to be taken literally that the earth was made in 6 24 hour days. Because As I remember (I admit I'm a bit rusty on the text) it says somewhere in the bible that a 1000 years is like a day to God.

So perhaps it took much longer than a mere mortal man's 6 day period to create. So science and religion could finally kind of agree on something?



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 04:25 AM
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I don't think Genesis is meant to be a literal description of the beginning of the world. The Bible, after all, was written by man even though it was inspired by God. I'm sure a lot of stuff got lost in the translation from visions from God and the written word as understood by the prophet.



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 04:33 AM
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Could be since most of the history is wrong, for example they can't explain 2.8 BILLION years old spheres: link1, link2, link3 and link4.

There were many civilizations before this one, even long ago before Lemuria, Atlantis and Hyperborea. Some of them were a lot more advanced than ours.

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posted on May, 11 2007 @ 07:07 PM
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Hmmm...where did this "Brooding" come from? my texts says nothing about brooding.

The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Did your text substitute brood with hover?

Plus, God was never angry at his creation and destroyed the world because he simply had a tantrum. he HAD to destroy the world because the Fallen Stars (Angels) slept with or raped (we have no idea) the women and created Giants who ate Humans. He created the flood to destroy all the wickedness the Fallen Angels caused.

God is VERY SLOW TO ANGER. There are lots of texts to support this.
www.biblegateway.com...
Exodus 34:6
Numbers 14:18
Nehemiah 9:17
Psalms 86:15 , 103:8 , 145:8
Joel 2:13
Jonah 4:2 Too name a few


For proof of the Fallen Angels, just read the Book of Enoch. it should be online.

*also, I'm one of "THOSE PEOPLE" who don't believe the Earth is Billions of years old. I think only about 5500 years maybe. Just my opinion because you know Science and Religion NEVER agree with anything...lol



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[edit on 11-5-2007 by Judaz_Escariot]



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 07:13 PM
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I'm thinking the whole 'Adam and Eve' thing happened around 50,000 BC. Cain specifically says that he's afraid to leave the Garden of Eden because of 'the others' who will kill him.

Neanderthals vs Cromags.



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 08:08 PM
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The reason why Cain was afraid was because he didnt want to be a restless wanderer. After his kin wouldve learned of Abel's death they wouldve sought vengeance. God "marked Cain" and said that punishment would be more severe to those who came after Cain.

Gen 4:

10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."

13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.

If God created Adam, then the Cro Mags and Neanderthals would have been kin folks, right? There were no paper to write on (of course) so people drew on rocks and walls. There still remains no proof of any Cavemen...I've always seen wax replicas, but ancient egyptian burials are very similar to the "frozen corpses" and other discoveries of bodied that wouldve have well turned into dust after a Century.

Why are "dinosaur" remains so intact but human remains 1000 years old can barely be put together? Makes me think....hmmm lol



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 08:21 PM
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there clearly is a gap between the first two verses as geology teaches us about mass extinctions, etc...all good science and good scripture

evidence of several mass extinctions, so there are ovbious gaps in the development of the earth and life upon it, and to try to say otherwise is not good science or good scripture, the hebrew sages know that their is a gap, and so do I.

concerning mass extinctions no matter what you term those geological periods, of life and death cycles. that covers the time between verse 1 and 2 so lets go back to verse one then, shall we?
i believe it must be infered that the universe was already in existance as the statement is a creation statement (it is a verbal expression of modern science)...or if you will the first word is the big bang, in the beginning, the next word created bara, is the logical scientific results of the big bang over long periods of time, so that the heavens (stars and galaxies) came first then the planets, so that the basic view of science is represented word for word in the first verse.

so that the first word covers a specific event and amount of time in and of itself, bere#h is the big bang and a large of time forward into the expression of the big bang (which was a sound wave) and as matter formed as the universe slowly cooled (there is your second law of thermodynamics-entrophy contained within the first word) so that as the basic subatomic particles (quarks) balanced and formed protons, neutrons and joined with the other elemental particle electrons to form atoms...and the four basic forces of physics took hold ( due to the cooling and seperation of the TOE) so that we have the creation of large glaxies and massive stars and black holes...this brings us to the second word and all that i wrote transpired, so again another large period of time...were eventually we have the milky way and the planet earth, much later still in time...so that genesis 1:1 is a very long time and the first word is a long period in and of itself until word two.
and the final results here today are about 12-15 billion years into the story.
bere#h= big bang till about 700 million to 2 billion years into the story
bara=700 million/2 billion till 5 billion into creation of first galaxies
heaven = 5 billion to 10 billion milkyway forms
earth less then 5 billions years old appears last around 12 billions years into creation

here is the big bang forward
members.tripod.com...


[edit on 11-5-2007 by junglelord]



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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if you going to look at it as a Christian would then there is no way

be for the fall of man there was no suffering
no death
no killing

sin entered into the world thru Adams disobedience
so billion of years of dinosaurs be for Adam was not possible if thats what your getting at because suffering and death did not happen until the fall of man



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 10:21 PM
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Good Point, Mr. Roberts!

Now if we can get scientists to believe that the world can't possibly be a billion and some old years old.

The only theory about dinosaurs that made a little sense was something I heard in a college debate. I heard that Adam was made in God's image, so he was so tall that his head reached into the clouds and everything else was made to fit accordingly.

So dinosaurs were like lizards to him, until he disobeyed God and became small in his sight. The speaker said that some Eastern beliefs say for every generation we go through spiritual loss, and become smaller in God's eyes. Also, our years of life become shorter...it sorta made sense.



posted on May, 11 2007 @ 10:30 PM
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well sorta , and i suspect it is because they riped off Christian doctrine

Adam , compared to us was a superman
and when he sinned it caused every man including him to deteriorate
like mutations if you will

these mutations of sin make each generation weaker than the previous

this is where disease crept in, birth defects etc...

like in the Lord of the rings, the blood of nuemenor or something
ran weak in the men of aragons time , tolkien ripped off the premis from the bible imho



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