Originally posted by Connected

Marg doesn't care about a dictator killing thousands of innocent children. She only cares when the USA does it, because she is anti-American.

[edit on 9-3-2007 by Connected]

I care about the ones that were still alive before the invasion and now they are causalties of the liberation.

The children in the pictures posted by the starter of this thread.

The ones that you prefer . . . to ignore . . .

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Marg, The whole Iraq issue was a lie, Bush went around the country telling everyone Saddam was behind, 9/11 when he was not, then it was the WMD'S which was another lie because it was the West that supplied him so we knew exactly what he was capable of.

I agree with you my friend, but even when we try to deny ignorance after all the facts and results of this ill planned and greedy war still is people out there that rather keep using the same old Saddam was a killer rhetoric to justified the death and chaos that is plaguing the Iraqi nation today.

Originally posted by Soupman
Also Marg you keep stating this is ATS and we are supposed to Deny Ignorance, well your doing the opposite while blaming the others for doing it (which they are to an extent). But remember... it goes both ways.

Pardon my ignorance but . . . I am not complaining here . . . so is actually one way.

Originally posted by stumason


You know what, I was going to actually reply to this guys stupid reply to me, but having read this statement from him, I am not going to bother.

What would be the point? So far into the lie's he actually believes them. This isn't the raving's of a crazy loon, but I can actually prove you wrong on everything you have said that there would be no pojnt. You actually think what you have said is true and that is sad.

Lies? I provided a link from the US military saying WMD's were found. They were, maybe not as much as we expected, but they were there. Got it? How is that a lie?

We went to Iraq because Saddam wouldn't give up or show us his WMD's. We invaded, and we found some older WMD's. So whats the problem? How am I lying? Please tell me.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Marg, The whole Iraq issue was a lie, Bush went around the country telling everyone Saddam was behind, 9/11 when he was not, then it was the WMD'S which was another lie because it was the West that supplied him so we knew exactly what he was capable of.

First off Bush NEVER EVER EVER said Saddam was behind 911. He said OSAMA was. GET THAT STRAIGHT. Only the brainwashed think Iraq had something to do with 911, because the controlled media confused them, and because Afghanistan (the first place we attacked) was so close to Iraq. I guarantee you will never find anything from Bush saying Saddam was behind 911. Although, he did say Saddam or the people under Saddam may be providing Al Qaeda with deadly weapons.

Second... The reason we went to Iraq was always WMD's. Nothing else. We knew exactly what Saddam was capable of, and that is why we went after him and his WMD's because we know he could easily give those weapons to the terrorists if he needed.

Its very simple people, don't make it seem so complex.

Connected Bush said on many occasions Iraq was responcible for 9/11, he toured America stating it on every occasion, I heard him saying it, I read what he said I watched his press meetings and millions of others heard those comments.

And again you refuse to accept the real reason for invading Iraq, the WMD's/insurgent excuse is getting rather thin. And if your concerned re insurgents obtaining WMD's old or new I'm sure the US will be invading Russia and China soon for the same reason as they are selling weapons to everyone.

Obviously you have no problem with the US selling weapons to anyone, you have no problem that the US and the West supported Saddam through all his years of mass murder, you have no problem that the US supported the Taliban to fight against the Russians.

The reasons for wars are few and they are rolled out every time by the would be aggressor, they have our resources, land, or they are a threat to us, any of that sound familiar.

The point of this thread was to highlight the suffering of innocents in Iraq, suffering brought about by the US Goverment and its backers. Iraq was never a threat to the US or anyone else its a pity that you cannot see that you have partaken in a crimminal act against humanity just as my taxes have supported it. But I accept that guilt and the wrongdoing in my name, how about you.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Aw. Tragic. Let me get a tissue. Maybe the ignorant fools shouldn't blow each other up. I don't understand how people sympathize with murderers .. or are so damn clueless they blame America for Sunnis murdering Shia..

You act like a 10yr old child at times rockpuck, really man.. do me a favour if your going to come into my threads and talk this way, dont bother. If you cant be civil and discuss the topic really do us ALL a favour, and dont post in the threads.

Your a hypocrite using the war as a political soap box which quite frankly makes me sick.

No, your governments a hypocrite.. they still use 911 in every single speach possible. How many times did we hear about relationships between saddam and alqaeda before Iraq? As if they didnt maniuplate that event to the Up most extreme to con people into following this war.
The sad part is, there's still people who havent figured out for themselves who was maniuplate by who.
Ill give you a hint.
....''there wasnt a relationship, and there wasnt wmd's''
so where does that put you?

Learn to understand the issues before you jump in with pictures that are supposed to make me feel bad (they don't, nothing new to me) Sunnis are killing Shia and America has nothing to do with it.

Glad you have no heart.. seeing a child bloodied and injured doesnt effect you?.. least your honest.
And i never said America was doing the bomb of #es and sunni's.. but they are definately the cause of the strife today.

I posted a wonderful thread about Kurdistan (click on my name) and you liberals pushed it aside, who cares if someone is living a dream right? Because you can't use that to further your own agenda.
Sick. I am truly ashamed I share a nation with people like you.

At what expense? at what loss are these 'few' dreams worth?
Your leaders are living the dream, only people in the US are living the dream.. well maybe Iran too.. but Iraq?
I be t you they feel like they are a long way way from a dream.

If your ashamed to be a part of a country that is realising its mistakes.. im sure theyd love to see the back end of you on a boeing..
I hear Israel love your type.


[edit on 10-3-2007 by Agit8dChop]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Er he .. did have chemical weapons, biological as well.... we gave them to him.. so he did have them somewhere.
Why don't you put a link to the source you got that information from.

..... well.. see... why is it their fault then?

If I walk up to you and hand you a gun.. I cant leave, then come back and shoot you, because you had a gun can I..

And we didnt invade because of the wmd's we gave them in the 70/80's..
we invaded because they were making NEW Wmd's and stockpiling them.

can you please show me the proof of the vast stock piles of recently created WMD"s?

No you cant can you.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
You either don't want to see the issue as a broad issue with alot of history, or you use it for pure political gain. Sadly 75% of Americans are so ignorant what ever CNN tells them they listen to. (And I watch CNN every night, not Fox..)

The issue people see are lies, blood and money.
But I love the irony in your final sentance.

ignorance = CNN.
You = CNN Viewer

CNN = Iraq is bad, wmd's, alqaeda.

You still claim Iraq had WMD's and is full of terrorists.


arent your calling yourself ignorant?

Originally posted by Connected

Originally posted by Muaddib
I bet marg and those people who are blaming the U.S. for the pictures seen in the original article did not take a look at those sites i gave with the pictures of what Saddam regime was doing to the Iraqi people....

Yeah I bet.... They have one agenda, and see things only one way. They think everything that is happening in Iraq wasn't happening before USA showed up, because their controlled media source had no reason to report about it. Now that USA is there taking care of business, and the media is all over it, they think its all of USA's fault.

They see some blood in Iraq, and they automatically think it is the USA's fault. They are sheeple, with no real insight as to what is really happening.
[edit on 9-3-2007 by Connected]

Iraqi's them selves prefer saddams day.

Yes, saddam was ruthless, and if you stepped wrong you were murdered.

But you KNEW where the line was, and you lived your life.
You could still go down the road, eat ice cream, go to uni and enjoy life.

NOW?
Your kidnapped and tortured simlply for being smart.
Your killed and kidnapped for being born one way or the other.


American isnt directly doing the damage in Iraq today,
but we caused the events which led to this.
Unforunately, we're laong for hte ride now regardless.

Jesus, ya know what.
Thanks heaps for all the votes guys, an the people who atleast tried to debate the topic.

But i mean...

Here's the deal.

George Bush said he had undeniable evidence, Iraq was STOCKPILING large amounts of Chemical & Biological weapons.
He Said they were PRODUCING Them in large quantities, and that they had a 45minute turn around time to fire them.

What possible evidence, could GWBush of had, to state such claims?
How can you have evidence of STOCKPILES and manufacturing plants, when none exist?

500 1980's chemical bombs do not constitute STOCKPILES..

You show me, the stock piles, and the producing elemtsn and I will yield.

You show me statistics of civil war PRE 2003 post 1994 and I will yeild.

Instaed of acting like childeren, come back to the table with proof, that this war was justified under the guise of


''imminent thread of WMD's ''
'' Alqaeda link''

Because at the moment, all we have, is a daily death toll that constantly increases, cover ups and scandals coming from the whitehouse...
and comeplete and utter CHAOS in Iraq, where we are losing grip on any kind of control we had when we rolled in.

Again thanks for the votes guys, lets keep it up.
They cant hide behind the flag for ever.,

I would of quoted and replied to everyone, but far out.. where do I begin, half of you replied to the BS with the same 'truths' I woulda.

i really have to wonder why this link was moved after those members who opose to the whole "le'ts blame the coalition for the deaths of all iraqis"....

When the thread was about showing pictures of Iraqis who were harmed, maimed, and killed and some members were claiming it was all because of the U.S. this claim apparently was not "politically motivated"?... Yet when the responses from those members who opose this "coalition witch hunt" presented evidence and spoke their minds this thread was immediately moved to "politics of war"....

Humm...

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

your right, up until 1991, saddam was a ruthless dood.

Can you show me evidence of his mass murders in say

1995-2003?

Im really keen to see what this man was doing in the final 7/8 years of his rule..

I gave several links to what Saddam was doing to his people... not all those links are about events that only happened in the 80s....

You actually think saddam's reign of terror ended in 1991?....

You should be doing yourself a favor and look around these forums, or do a google search for Iraqis tortured, or even school girl torture in Iraq.

I got tired of looking for what Saddam did.

The death of any child in any war is attrocious.... But allowing 500,000 children under the age of 5 to die, and agreeing with the option which Russia, China, France, and Germany among others wanted to keep trying, which was to keep the sanctions in Iraq, making themselves rich meanwhile another 500,000 children under the age of 5 died, and who knows how many more murders by the hands of Saddam, his regime and his sons, was not an option.

Im sure it did happen,

but it was no worse than OTHER countries doing up until TODAY.

Had he of been doing something on par with Hitlers Holocaust, then military intervention is a must.

But people jump from excuse to excuse,

Wmd's
Human Rights
Ignoring UN measures.


For 1, there were no WMD's.
For 2, What saddam was doing is no different to what other leaders do to citizens.
For 3, the UN declared the war ILLEGIAL, meaning that if saddam went against the UN rules, It was up to the UN to decide the punishment.
and the UN stuck to the tone of continuing searches and dialouge.