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reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:13 PM by Connected
Originally posted by marg6043
Is ok people the argument between Saddam killings and the mass killing after the liberation is justified because now is not Saddam doing the killing anymore . . .

Is the liberation the one killing now and that is justified . . .

Unbelivable.



An estimated 655,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 who might still be alive but for the US-led invasion, according to a survey by a US university.
The research compares mortality rates before and after the invasion from 47 randomly chosen areas in Iraq.


news.bbc.co.uk...

liberation can be so bloody but is worth it, right.

I bet that way of thinking make the happy war people and the bush administration sleep better at night . . .


marg seriously you are pissing a lot of people off with your nonsense. You have no clue what you are talking about...

You are throwing a number of 655,000 and you are not telling people HOW they were killed. Most of those deaths were NOT by the hand of USA soldiers... GET A CLUE.


B.T.W. "Peace in the mid-east" was a term highly used for many many years, as an ultimate wish. Now, it will soon become true, and the lost lives are worth it.

Soon Iraq will be a USA allie. Just like USA and Japan.


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:17 PM by DontTreadOnMe
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reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:23 PM by marg6043
Connected are you playing games with me?

From your sources,


A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."


www.breitbart.com...


The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.


Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
Post-Invasion Cache Could Have Been For Use in Weapons


The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.


Most of the links are news that has been debunked and link to old Saddam cache of weapons prior to 92.

BTW you are using links that you said to me were no reliable when I used them myself.

BTW denying ignorance is what ATS is all about.


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:33 PM by LogansRun
Originally posted by Muaddib
Here is another link with pictures of what Saddam did to the Kurds who are now living in relative peace in northern Iraq, and have been thanking the coalition for getting rid of Saddam, which of course you won't hear on the news.

Warning, very graphic pictures!!!

www.kdp.pp.se...


[edit on 9-3-2007 by Muaddib]


Irrelevant as that wasn't the reason we went there. Saddam was a total a-hole - no one is debating that Muaddib. There are a lot bigger a holes in the world that could cause a MUCH larger problem to the US and our interests. China and N. Korea come to mind off the top of my head. You think Saddam was bad? Read up on Kim. He makes Saddam look like a puppy dog. I dont give a damn about what SAddam did before we went in there. I know for a fact that wasn't the reason that was sold to us. The mere fact that we did business with Saddam in the 80's until it wasn't convenient to us any more makes me sick as we supported him and his lifestyle and his way of governing. Hypocrisy at its finest.


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:36 PM by LogansRun
Originally posted by Muaddib

You call the insurgents and terrorists "just people who didn't agree with deposing Saddam's regime?...

The same insurgents/terrorists that bombed the buildings where millions of iraqis went to vote....

The same insurgents/terrorists who even the mention of them among Iraqis have caused the death of 1,000 people from an stampede?....

the same insurgents/terrorists who use civilians as shields, and strap bombs to children and tell them to go where coalition forces are that they would be given candy?...

Or the same insurgents/terrorists that brainwash children and adolescents into strapping bombs to kill coalition forces?...

The same insurgents/terrorists that have killed, and keep killing more Iraqis than they have killed coalition forces?.....

[edit on 9-3-2007 by Muaddib]


So in your infinite wisdom, what are we to do? Stay there and keep killing "insurgents" until there aren't any more? You will kill everyone in the ME if you go that route. Or would you just prefer to carpet bomb the whole region and then take its resources?? What exactly are we supposed to do there? We cant install a democracy in the middle of people who prefer to be in a theocracy! It just doesn't work. The mindset of that society isn't prepared to accept that. Each group believes that they are in the right and therefore must be in control - you cannot bring democracy to a place like that. They have to reach that point as a people, not by force.
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