Harsh Reality of Iraq. ** warning image may disturb

Seriously... are you ok? Is there something wrong with you? I gave you a link that shows 100+ links that you ask for...

BBS, MSNBC, CNN, and more! Go for it, click it.

You call the insurgents and terrorists "just people who didn't agree with deposing Saddam's regime?...

The same insurgents/terrorists that bombed the buildings where millions of iraqis went to vote....

The same insurgents/terrorists who even the mention of them among Iraqis have caused the death of 1,000 people from an stampede?....

the same insurgents/terrorists who use civilians as shields, and strap bombs to children and tell them to go where coalition forces are that they would be given candy?...

Or the same insurgents/terrorists that brainwash children and adolescents into strapping bombs to kill coalition forces?...

The same insurgents/terrorists that have killed, and keep killing more Iraqis than they have killed coalition forces?.....

[edit on 9-3-2007 by Muaddib]

I bet marg and those people who are blaming the U.S. for the pictures seen in the original article did not take a look at those sites i gave with the pictures of what Saddam regime was doing to the Iraqi people....

Is ok people the argument between Saddam killings and the mass killing after the liberation is justified because now is not Saddam doing the killing anymore . . .

Is the liberation the one killing now and that is justified . . .

Unbelivable.




news.bbc.co.uk...

liberation can be so bloody but is worth it, right.

I bet that way of thinking make the happy war people and the bush administration sleep better at night . . .

Yeah I bet.... They have one agenda, and see things only one way. They think everything that is happening in Iraq wasn't happening before USA showed up, because their controlled media source had no reason to report about it. Now that USA is there taking care of business, and the media is all over it, they think its all of USA's fault.

They see some blood in Iraq, and they automatically think it is the USA's fault. They are sheeple, with no real insight as to what is really happening.




[edit on 9-3-2007 by Connected]

marg seriously you are pissing a lot of people off with your nonsense. You have no clue what you are talking about...

You are throwing a number of 655,000 and you are not telling people HOW they were killed. Most of those deaths were NOT by the hand of USA soldiers... GET A CLUE.


B.T.W. "Peace in the mid-east" was a term highly used for many many years, as an ultimate wish. Now, it will soon become true, and the lost lives are worth it.

Soon Iraq will be a USA allie. Just like USA and Japan.

I wish that were true tombangelta but the sick reality is those bas***** won't. It will take an entire revolution from the citizens and not by the legal system BTW. We've seen both our governments not give a rats behind about the legal system.

How can the government actually be stopped?

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Please!

"They are sheeple, with no real insightinsite as to what is really happening"

Are you living on the same planet? Oh my god! Ok, the media lied that there wasn't bombs going off on a daily basis in Iraq before we invaded.

Iraq an alli, you are dillusional.

The shia miltia goverment is going to be our alli, Sadr given diplomatic status. Would you like to buy some beach front property in New Mexico?

[edit on 9-3-2007 by rich1974]

Where did i say the deaths are justifiable?...

No death of regular civilians is justifiable... but Saddam's regime did worse...

Now the remnants of Saddam's regime, plus the help they are getting from Iran, Syria and others are going on killing sprees, they kill more Iraqi civilians, ambush coalition forces who have to fight back, and are in a constant state of alertness and paranoia, because the insurgents/terrorists disguise themselves as civilians, which unfortuately causes some civilians being mistaken as insurgents, and the coalition gets all the blame for these deaths?....

Perhaps if you take a look at the bombings, and attacks the insurgents and terrorists have been doing, you will find that they are killing more Iraqis than they are kiling coalition forces.... For very coalition force they kill, probably 40-100 Iraqis are killed by insurgents.

[edit on 9-3-2007 by Muaddib]

Connected are you playing games with me?

From your sources,



www.breitbart.com...



Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
Post-Invasion Cache Could Have Been For Use in Weapons


Most of the links are news that has been debunked and link to old Saddam cache of weapons prior to 92.

BTW you are using links that you said to me were no reliable when I used them myself.

BTW denying ignorance is what ATS is all about.

Ummm sorry, the UNSC in Res. 1441 gave Iraq a "final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" and found Iraq still "remains in material breach" of past resolutions. Even after that resolution Iraq was less than forthcomming about information, inspections and interviews regarding it's disarmament. Iraq did not get a "clean bill of health" as you imply. There was still considerable doubt by inspectors that Iraq was not totally forthcoming.

Iraq timeline 2002-2003

Post a link to support your claim. If you dont, you are only spreading your opinion and not offering one bit of logical discussion. you can call people sheep all you want, but facts are facts. People have posted dozens of links in this thread, and I have yet to see any from you backing up your claims. I have not read a single story (not even on fox) that describes WMD's being found - let alone till this day....

And I rest my case and stand for what I said, just because Saddam was killing his own people it was worse, compare to the death toll that is going on since the liberators got rid of Saddam . . .now the occupation is bringing death and . . .

Is all justified . . . right muaddib?

Still UN didn't found the MWDs and the case for the war was already in full gear with Collin power at the UN. . .

Still the war went on US invaded Iraq with nothing than speculation and Saddam was not the one that declared war on the US.

Still no MWDs to be found after the invasion.

And yes I was aware of what traspired after Saddam got tire of having the inspectors looking for something that he didn't had after all. . .

Irrelevant as that wasn't the reason we went there. Saddam was a total a-hole - no one is debating that Muaddib. There are a lot bigger a holes in the world that could cause a MUCH larger problem to the US and our interests. China and N. Korea come to mind off the top of my head. You think Saddam was bad? Read up on Kim. He makes Saddam look like a puppy dog. I dont give a damn about what SAddam did before we went in there. I know for a fact that wasn't the reason that was sold to us. The mere fact that we did business with Saddam in the 80's until it wasn't convenient to us any more makes me sick as we supported him and his lifestyle and his way of governing. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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[edit on 9-3-2007 by rich1974]

No, but can I ask why you only read the links that support your anti-war agenda?

Let me clear this up for you....

"in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."

Means they will not work as they are designed...but will work with simple modifications. Just like a cell phone was not designed for remote controlling Improvised Explosive Devices, but they did it anyway.

Did you miss this quote??



www.breitbart.com...

THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED TO PREVENT! PREVENT THESE DEADLY MATERIALS FROM REACHING USA. GOT IT? VERY VERY DEADLY = WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.


www.defenselink.mil...




GET A CLUE, OPEN YOUR EYES!

So in your infinite wisdom, what are we to do? Stay there and keep killing "insurgents" until there aren't any more? You will kill everyone in the ME if you go that route. Or would you just prefer to carpet bomb the whole region and then take its resources?? What exactly are we supposed to do there? We cant install a democracy in the middle of people who prefer to be in a theocracy! It just doesn't work. The mindset of that society isn't prepared to accept that. Each group believes that they are in the right and therefore must be in control - you cannot bring democracy to a place like that. They have to reach that point as a people, not by force.

Right back at ya. You think you AREN'T pissing people off with YOUR nonsense? Dude, get a grip on reality.