Edit: forget it Marge beat me to it.

Regardless of your POV, if you did serve over there you should know we still appreciate your service.

[edit on 3/9/2007 by Hal9000]

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by stumason

It was bloody well peaceful before the "Coalition" showed up. Granted, Saddam was an utter git and thousands died over a 35 year period, but prior to `91 it was the most prosperous, westernised country in the ME and would have made a great ally.

Now, after 2003, it's a cesspit. Well done.

Sometimes stumason I feel like an old record player going over and over historical facts of the time when our own elected officials used to sleep in the same bed with Saddam . . .

And then make him an enemy when greed and oil grab was to good to resists . . .

You can tell how well the government geared propaganda has work on our fellow Americans . . .

Pity.

Because you've proven time and again your ignorance in Middle East history? I would be tired to.

Throw pictures and bandy words like "peace, love. .. cant we all just get along" Yup. Realistic.

COnnected I check out your links
Tell me, is this what you wanted Saddam to turn over?....

U.S. military photos of the alleged lab showed a bare concrete-walled room scattered with stacks of plastic containers, coiled tubing, hoses and a stand holding a large metal device that looked like a distillery. Black rubber boots lay among the gear

YOu wanted Saddam to turn over all of his 'stacks of plastic containers'?
All of Iraqs 'coiled tubing'? Hoses?

Seriously man, I hope you came to ATS to learn.

Er he .. did have chemical weapons, biological as well.... we gave them to him.. so he did have them somewhere.

Why don't you put a link to the source you got that information from.

But Muadib, in all honesty, did 100 or more Iraqi civillians blow up daily on the streets when Saddam was in power?
It seems obvious that the death toll pre-invasion was perhaps a few hundred a year, now it is more like a few hundred a week.
You're smart, you do the math, more Iraqis have died since we removed Saddam, then Saddam himself killed while we supported him.

So connected I am to trust Google then and how do you call it?

research?

Hum, give me some juicy links, and trust me we will digest them very fast.

Originally posted by DCP

Big boy Countries have big boy responsibilities...

Sadly I think you are right.
I just wish we were a Big Man Country instead.

Big boys want everything their way, they expect respect but never give it, and they kick sand in other boys faces.
Big men on the other hand are kind, humble, willing to work with others to find a solution, and often give respect where none is warrented.

Yeah at least it was bodies to be found to show how evil it was under Saddam no in the outrageous quantities that the propaganda wants to bring, still no prof and no even a fraction of it found. . .

Now with the liberation is not longer bodies but rather people has to scrape their death from the walls and streets and guess who they are.

I got it!!!!! they are all militants and insurgents.

You know the comparison of Saddam evil deeds and the death toll in Iraq right now is something that only people still defending the invasion of that country can bring themselves to justify.

Incredible, death is death Saddam was a killer. . . but what should we call the death now in Iraq?

Casualties, terrorist [depending which side you support], sectarian violence and is all Iraqis fault for not been more agreeable after the liberation



[edit on 9-3-2007 by marg6043]

Aw. Tragic. Let me get a tissue. Maybe the ignorant fools shouldn't blow each other up. I don't understand how people sympathize with murderers .. or are so damn clueless they blame America for Sunnis murdering Shia.. you think thats new man?

1)Dude, if we hadn't gone in there, they wouldn't be blowing themselves up.
2)I wouldn't go around trying to give people that disagree on the war, "history lessons" since anyone that studied history would have known invading Iraq would create caos.
3)We are screwed because we can't win the war and we can't leave Iraq. Leaving Iraq would most likely result in a regional war. This war in Iraq is never going to end only get worse and there is no getting out of it. Welcome to middle eastern pollitics.

Originally posted by 11Bravo
But Muadib, in all honesty, did 100 or more Iraqi civillians blow up daily on the streets when Saddam was in power?
It seems obvious that the death toll pre-invasion was perhaps a few hundred a year, now it is more like a few hundred a week.
You're smart, you do the math, more Iraqis have died since we removed Saddam, then Saddam himself killed while we supported him.

LOL

This is what I mean.. THINK ..

Why didn't Sunnis blow them selves up in the streets when Saddam was in power........ maybe because SUNNIS WHERE THE ONES IN POWER KILLING PEOPLE IN TORTURE CHAMBERS!!!!!

You either don't want to see the issue as a broad issue with alot of history, or you use it for pure political gain. Sadly 75% of Americans are so ignorant what ever CNN tells them they listen to. (And I watch CNN every night, not Fox..)

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Xphiles/Rockpuck when are you 2 spineless amoeba's going to admit that America's actions in Iraq have opened the flood gates of mass slaughter.

Your lack of compassion for your fellow mans suffering is a disgrace

look, to keep perspective here, these are geo-political games going on here.

the only thing that was not known in the beginning, was how hard iran syria and others would resist the occupation.

its sad, but, its true.
the people up in there ivory towers are playing a big chess game. they dont care what happens in the middle.

you think america isnt neck deep in bad stuff, your foolin yourself.
you think everbody else isnt neck-deep in it too, you again are foolin yourself.

its a sick game, but, if you dont play you get subjugated.