Zapruder frames show driver killed JFK, page 2
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reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 03:25 PM by Smack
The Secret Service was established in 1865, solely to suppress the counterfeiting of U.S. currency.

source:
United States Secret Service

Ever wonder why they have this dual mission? Think it has something to do with who they really serve? The Federal Reserve.

Think about it.


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 04:01 PM by Badge01
Originally posted by jblaze
Here is a link to the individual zapruder film frames of the JFK assassination.

After studying frames at about z284 to z330 or so, you can clearly see the driver turn back towards JFK and shoot him at close range with what appears to be a silver .45 cal. I watched the frames in a "slide show" format (which seems to be the best way to view them). I suggest downloading the complete frames (about 120mb, zip format).

Keep your eye on the driver.

www.assassinationresearch.com...


It was William Cooper who first proposed this and he had a third or fourth generation copy of the film. HE SAID it was a silver handled automatic pistol (.45). But it was not, it was the reflection of the sun off of the head of Special Agent Kellerman (the passenger or shotgun seat). It is vaguely shaped like the letter "L" turned on the side, giving a general shape of a 'silver handgun', but only in that bad copy of the film. The research standard of the slides does not show this.

That reflection is fairly close to Special Agent Greer, the driver, making people think they saw an 'object' in Greer's hand. It is not a gun or a physical object.

I assure you that in the copy of the Z-film that we have (and the site you linked to, with the "Combined Costella Edit", and the inter-sprocket images on the negatives is the best copy), the 'L-shaped' thing is a reflection. There are people with the actual negatives who have looked at it with a magnifying loupe and they all agree that it is not a silver handled automatic. (I've done a color analysis using a desktop image editor, also. The color is not consistent with a 'silver gun'.)

I agree that SA Greer's reaction in the limo in the copy of the film we see is suspicious. Some say he whipped around faster than a human can do, but it strongly depends on where you start the timing.

Did you know that when SA Greer left the committee after his testimony he had a smirk on his face? There are, iirc, photos of him walking down the steps of the committee building smirking.

Did you know SAs Greer and Kellerman years after the assassination went to the home of and talked to the widow of another SA and told them there was a conspiracy but they couldn't reveal what it was? (It was SA Clint Hill's wife) He was the SA that climbed up on the back of the Limo.

But that does not allow the conclusion that Special Agent Greer had shot JFK.

Actually one of the stranger thoughts I had (and it's just a thought) was that they had a special 'gun' hidden in the upholstery that was fired by remote control into his back. But THAT'S JUST A WILD thought, NOT an actual theory. I was trying to understand why the Secret Service sanitized the car, flushing it out with several buckets of water while it sat at Parkland Hospital.

What is clear is that the Secret Service either destroyed,
or had destroyed, evidence of the assassination regarding the limousine.
An agent was photographed with a bucket and water and sponge to wash
blood and brain matter out of the area where JFK sat. [see 7, p.41] Also, a
boy was taking pictures of the limousine outside Parkland Hospital, a Secret
Service agent took away his camera and exposed the film. The Altgen's
photo [see 8, pp. 30-31] shows the bullet hole in the limousine; the
picture was taken at a time equivalent to Z-255. It was rumored that the
Secret Service ordered 20 windshields for the limousine. The picture of
the windshield produced by the Secret Service a week after the
assassination likely could have been one of these substitutes.
...From MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA


It's ok to think out of the box, but you have to separate that and what you can prove or at least strongly suggest. Does it meet Occam's Razor for the standard of believability (for example)? For instance it defies this principle that an assassin in the car would use a highly reflective gun - they'd use a concealed gun hidden inside a shoebox or something, right?

There are some people who have done a lot of studies and it appears to them that the Z-Film was edited in several places (James Fetzer) did the work along with some others. That's why I say above 'the copy of the Z-film we see'.

Hope this helps in your continued research and understanding.


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 04:44 PM by jblaze
Witness statements regarding what they saw:



1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.

2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."

3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.

4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."

5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement:
www.jfk-online.com... Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.

6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository".


reply posted on 9-3-2007 @ 04:55 PM by cpdaman
i read what the above poster said "a reflection of the driver's head or something" and as i studied more this was from shady gov't charcter's website who was touting the zapruder's film with the edited images ( the one where there are images taken out of) seems like a fishy observation from another scumbag in our gov't

the truth is this

kennedy was killed by the gov't. kennedy scrapped OP. NORTHWOODS and already had plans to undermine the FED. RESERVE

this was a threat to the security and the power of those in the shadow gov't the govt that works behind the scenes that joe citizen doesn't get to hear about on the local news, or paper

it is damn good timing to see the driver turn around and then turn back rather quickly and the kill shot happen within that timeframe LIKE IT DID

people do not want to believe the driver shot him, it is that simple

the people debunking the view of the driver shooting him and saying it was a reflection off of the back of the passengers head are coming from low life gov't scumbags trying to give the sheep a reason to get back in the herd, which they will saying to them selves "lie to me i promise i'll beleive lie to me"

it is not in the best intrests of american's to know why kennedy was killed and if the popular thought of american's was that those inside the gov't killed him they know there would be a huge back lash because kennedy was one of the most loved president in our time, and they will use any and all influencing outlets to discredit any idea of that nature.

besides we got bigger things to worry about . Population is out of hand. WWIII is coming
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