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reply posted on 16-3-2007 @ 09:43 PM by zeropointtruth
I am a newbie and I apologized already for how I wrote my thoughts. I should have been more careful and sensitive. I overestimated the folks at ATS and stupidly thought that we try to understand the OP's perspective (however horrible they may express themselves) but I was wrong.

Having said that, I responded in defense that I make 40 times more than ONE poster when someone said I am unsuccessful and blaming the jews for my ability to ascend. That is not true. I actually manage one of the difficult people who happens to be jewish. I consider myself successful, happy with an ascending career path. I never said jews have prevented me from ascending. Like I said, I have plenty of jewish friends. I grew up in a jewish neighborhood. I can say a bar mitzvah "bar hue et adonai ha movah rah..." This is NOT meant to bash the jewish people.

I simply stated that I naively never noticed a special relationship that exists between jewish people - a very strong support network. This is not necessarily related to business. One of my jewish friends goes to an all jewish gathering for singles. How great is that? Do they support eachother in other ways? Absolutely. Not every jew does it but the majority seem to have a different smarter way of thinking - one that I envy and respect. I tell fellow non-jewish friends that I wish we could have better cooperation and support. I believe the japanese people have this advantage too. But for the rest, we are busy trying to screw eachother as opposed to benefiting from an association.

So please relax people. I apologized already for how my post was conveyed. At the same time, take a deep breath and try to hear what I was intending to say. Forget my grammar and my non-political correct statements. My intention was to expose a powerful network on wall street that jews exhibit. I find it quite unique to this specific group only. I admire it. it is analogous to those on ATS. We are busy fighting eachother and attacking eachother. In reality, we have the same cause which is to understand the truth. I wish we could apply the same jewish thinking to ATS. If we did, this could be a supportive not attacking group in which people become enlightened not humiliated from making another post ever again.


reply posted on 17-3-2007 @ 05:53 PM by Crakeur
Originally posted by mazzroth
Crakeur

Read these statistics mate and tell me what you think ok.

www.ifamericansknew.org...

I would like an honest comment and not some sarcastic dribble.


For starters, let me state that I don't necessarily agree with all the tactics used in the Israel/Palestine conflict and I don't think either side behaves well.


That said, Israel doesn't hide in schools and hospitals, they don't hide amongst housing so as to bring more damage to the public etc.
The palestinian way of waging their war is one that draws the public into the fight. Israel has little choice but to go after the targets, even if they are in the midst of civilian areas.

They also tend to show little mercy when sometimes a little mercy is called for. I once had the opportunity to attend a private dinner with Ariel Sharon in NYC. There were about 30 or so people at the dinner and Sharon sat and ate dinner with everyone and then he started talking about the conflict and what I got out of it was that he basically felt that the palestinian fighters behaved like animals based on the tactics mentioned above and that they should, therefore, be treated as such. It was not a pleasant talk and my wife and I were not alone in the thinking that the road to peace would need a more open minded thinker.

Then the fat man hit on my wife.

Mazzroth, take a peek at the numbers in Iraq. Similar type situation. They operate in public, dress in civillian clothes etc. You're going to cause far more collateral damage that way and they want that. In their eyes they see it as bringing more eyes and more help to their cause.

It doesn't work, which is clear.


reply posted on 18-3-2007 @ 08:43 AM by carslake
Originally posted by corsig
Originally posted by carslake

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How can we square this long record of familial and ethnic nepotism with the public insistence of Jews on equal opportunity and merit? While most would surely point to the long Jewish tradition of social idealism, a more practical reason may be found in the disproportionate benefit Jews derive from a meritocratic system.


The Jewish Daily

And do you agree that this kind of partisan attitude is part of the reasoning(if you can call it that) for the persecution of the Jews, I've read how the Nazi's used this as justification for their persecution.



I wouldn't go so far to say that the Nazi's had any justification to kill 6 million people for any reason though.



No there can never be any justification for the killing of 6 million people. That doesn't stop ideologies(Nazi's) using this kind of sectarianism as a way to create consent for persecution though.

I think zeropointtruth's observation is valid. And in truth we have to admit 'ethnic nepotism' does exist in many cultures. I'm just surprised that people here aren't willing to see it. I can understand Jewish people's reluctance to admit that networking in this manner promotes cultural inequity. As the admission of this lends a cause to the reinforcing of cultural stereotypes and ensuing racist mentalities.


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reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 11:34 PM by cpdaman
i read all 6 pages and have to say it was quite one sided. But i am impressed with the power and or leverage that the jewish culture has gathered

The fact that jewish ownership represents three of the largest television networks and film studios as well as the biggest newspaper seems like quite an accomplishment and one worthy of discussion. The only fundamental reason i can think of that many people of jewish culture do not like the topic to be brought up is that their is some sort of trauma that rings a bell in the mind which associates being focused on as a group as something that was at one time very threatening.

but mazzorth's post was thought provoking and there exists a very powerful self serving system, people can make jokes and try to reduce the conversation to nonsense but I think any time a certain race or a certain group can ascend to a very dominant position wether it is in sport or industry that it is worthy of discussion and some latitude must be given to keep a conversation.

I appreciated the comment that a poster made concerning the opinion or personal account of how the parents make sure education is strongly instilled in a child and often i think a healthy sense of competitive spirit would be invoked. But there has to be more , dare i bring up books like the bell curve without being name called. Is it possible some people's of a certain culture are "smarter"? could i be considered a decent human being and comment that some ethnicity's are more athletic? could the tactic of giving one of your own a job be some how perfected by certain cultures which also give broad use to a word implied to define a racist when simple critque is being given?

Could a civilized serious thread be constructed which looks at the phenomena in a way in which critical thought is praised and latitude is given ( and name calling isn't)


[edit on 16-1-2008 by cpdaman]


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 11:45 PM by Clearskies
reply to post by Crakeur


But, don't some Jewish people use the term Goy or goyim when describing gentiles??
I've heard it used before.
I've even been to a bah mitzvah in Fla. when I was young. No denigration from anyone.
But, aren't there different 'sects' of judaism?
There are differences between the Talmud and the Torah.
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