Jews in Wall Street - Rude Awakening For Me

Originally posted by TrueTruth
I didn't say they are smarter than you. I said they go to college more. Their culture values education extremely highly, much like many asian cultures.

This also used the case among the Western elite, until modern ideologies lmade it unfashionable.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
Their religion involves a long tradition of debate and analytical inquiry, including about their own texts. This is almost the opposite of how churches traditionally disseminated christian teachings.

One of the reasons I object to Christianity

Originally posted by TrueTruth
You can't possibly really believe that a number on a test makes you a 'genius', can you?

It only tells you something about certain particular abilities (spatial intelligence, linguistic intelligence, processing speed, ...) but obviously it is very dependant of how you felt the moment you took that test and/or (in case of culture-specific tests) whatever knowledge you gained before. Thus, it is reliable to measure intelligence but only up to a point.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
MENSA is a club of backslappers.

True. That's why I'm an EX-member and not a member. Other than the ability to put it on my CV without lying I never saw any real advantages in membership.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
The entire concept of IQ as a barometer of "intelligence" is flawed to begin with. I don't feel like getting real deep into it here, but suffice to say, it's folly to think a little collection of puzzles and quizes can truly represent the total capabilities of any single mind.

That term ought to be reserved for the true prodigies of the world.

I do try to live up to the legacy of Leonardo (Da Vinci), but I am not arrogant enough to believe I will eventually get there. Otherwise, I would already be a millionaire inventor or something today

Originally posted by Roark
My understanding of how social networks play out in the world of finance is completely beside the point. It goes completely without saying that they exist, and that they play an important role amongst professionals in the sector.

At least we can agree on this, then.

Originally posted by Roark
Your gross generalisation (playing fast and loose with the word “fact”) that a large number of (specifically) Jewish financial professionals engage in insider trading is the point I was addressing.

It's not a generalisation. It's a well-known fact.

Originally posted by Roark
I’m not the one making broad assertions about racial groups (and disguising it as mere observations of cultural idiosyncracies for PR purposes). If you expect people to take your claims seriously, its similarly natural for them to desire more than simply your word (of information you “know” as “fact”).

What would you consider reliable evidence in this matter?

Originally posted by Roark

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
If you want I can reference some sources from those specific eras detailing on WHY restrictions were placed on the Jews. I only have these references on paper (I'm not aware of any online reference list) so I'll need to look them up physically. Let me know if you require me to do this effort.

I won’t ask you to do this, but I’d be happy to review the info. It doesn’t sound like you can easily retrieve it, though. Tried searching online?

Thusfar, I've only encountered a single source (on paper) that actually quotes from the orriginal source material. There are numerous sources that agree on the fact that Jewish involvement in acts and attitudes considered immoral (like banking, theft, prostitution or subversive politics) was the cause of antisemitic actions but only rarely orriginal source material is actually referenced.

I prefer not to rely on Internet websites anyway. Books tend to provide far more detail and far more references (although there are exceptions).

Originally posted by Roark
My own research indicates that prohibitions and atrocities perpetrated again the Jewish populations of European cities were most often instigated by enthusiastic clergymen, or by accusations of blood libel, murder, and usury.

Obviously some charges were probably false (even most antisemites are sceptical about the blood libel claims), however many other claims (usury, thievery, prostitution, ...) are not.

Originally posted by Roark
Who says it has to “make sense”? For it to “make sense” assumes that the Christian perpetrators were even-handed with a sense of justice.

With "it makes no sense" I'm implying that it is simply too farfetched. The explanation that behavior from within the Jewish community was the cause is far more logical and fits the available data.

It would make sense if the perpetrators of these antisemitic acts belonged to the same culture or even the same religion, but contrary to your implication such acts did not occur only among Christians but in pretty much any society where Jews had reached a certain amount of power and number.

Originally posted by Roark
The various horrific pogroms conducted against Jewish populations throughout history don’t “make sense” by any sane standard.

They make perfect sense when you see them as a reaction to Jewish immorality and can ironically be compared with the violent repraisals of common citizens against Nazi collaborators right after WW2.

Originally posted by Roark

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
I suggest you start reading "The Weight of Three Thousand Years" by Israel Shahak and "A People That Shall Dwell Alone" by Kevin MacDonald and start from there.

Thanks for the tips. Online resources would be much handier for our purposes, though.

Try "The Culture of Critique, also by Kevin MacDonald. Where "A People That Shall Dwell Alone" analyses Jewish culture throughout history, "The Culture of Critique" deals specificly with Jewish culture during the 20th century and illustrates the links between eg. Boasian anthropology or Marxism and Judaism using mostly Jewish sources.

Originally posted by Roark
They have yet to be established as “facts”, mate. They fall far short of deserving that description.

Your ignorance of the facts doesn't make them any less factual.

Originally posted by Roark
Call it what you will, if it makes you feel better about your views. Your previous description matches the dictionary definition for laziness.

The difference between laziness and efficiency is that a lazy person tries not to do as little as possible regardless of the outcome whereas an efficient person try to do as little as possible to get the highest possible effect.

Originally posted by Roark
By repeatedly insinuating that I am somehow prejudiced, are you simply hoping that it will draw the eye of the reader from your own obviously discriminatory views? I'm genuinely curious.

I don't have any discriminatory views. Your assumption that I have them is what makes you prejudiced.

Originally posted by Roark
So now you’re drawing a parallel between Jews and murderers/rapists for the purposes of this argument?

I'm merely pointing out that persecution does not equal victimisation if the persecution is justified.

Originally posted by Roark
What was the Holocaust, if not extreme prejudice?

Hitler explains in Mein Kampf that he needed to generalise rather than create policies on an individual basis because only a generalisation of who is the enemy allowed him to take the necessary measures to neutralise it. He believed the "Jewish problem" could never be solved by judging each individual Jew. Therefore, his antisemitism was inspired by pragmatism.

I'm not going into the events that took place in German concentration camps and that lead up to the tragic deaths we've seen on so many photographs. All I'm willing to say is that this topic has become so dogmatic and so closed to open scientific inquiry that there is most definitely something fishy about it.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
This is a little like saying that the small kids in school must have done something wrong to deserve being shoved in lockers.

Many did not. Some did.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
Or that women who wear short skirts brought on their own rape.

Dress like a slut and get treated like one. I know many women consider that a sexist attitude but it's nevertheless reality.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
It was easy to use them as a scapegoat because they were a small, relatively powerless minority, who managed through much effort to rise above peasantry to the merchant class - and not for their own ends, as you fallaciously assume, but because kings and such asked them to - and because many other avenues where shut off to them.

It's easier to shout prejudice and call yourself a scapegoat than to look within your own community and see if no harm was done there that could have lead to the harm done to yourself. Jews should really learn to first look within their own community for a culprit before accusing "evil antisemites" for their reaction.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
You really just don't have any idea what you're talking about - and it's always those folks who are somehow they most certain.

I'm so certain because I base my conclusions on many years of dedicated study into this matter. You're the one who doesn't have a clue, I'm afraid.

I'm pretty sure some Maffia members see it like that, although most (especially today) probably don't.

That's what I'm saying

Examples?

WW II

???

Well you do flip flop between the topic of "All Jews being a part of some Zionist agenda" and "It's not all the Jews" depending on what post your responding too.

Then why is there the explicit policy of building the Jewish homeland with a very ethno-centric legislation being pushed down everyone's throat, while the force a corrosive multi-culturalist agenda on the rest of the world? This makes no sense unless from a Talmudic perspective.

Because some people don't fall for BS, Some do.

Your insinuating that Jews are told some super secret agenda as children that separates them from the gentiles. This is not true.

This same ethno-centric legislation is in Mexico too and in many other countries around the world.

America is made by immigrants and it's just finally feeling the need to end it's own multi-culturalist agenda now that it's population can self generate due to the instalment of many different ethno-centric immigrants.

Forced integration is a black thing not a Jew thing.

Vegas isn't fixed. You win or lose by chance. Casinos just have statistics in their favor, meaning it is statistically impossible for them to lose money when all profits and losses are aggregated.

Yeah right, the CIA wishes it had the software Vegas does in identifying possible links between people. And just to let you know the impossibility for them to loose money when all profits and losses are aggregated is called a fixed game where I come from.

What's racist about stating these facts?

Well I made a clear distinction between a Mafia and the Jewish people as a whole. You chose to deny this and blanket all Jews alive, on the planet as a Criminal entity.

It's called Multiculturalism today, actually. All but Jews are forced to accept Multiculturalism. If I decide to trust only White Causasians, the media will brand me as a racist, but if a Jew decides to trust only Jews it is something very normal. Hmmmmm... Why the double standard for Jews and gentiles?

No, Jews are forced to do the same. They just choose not to obey.

It's a free country man. The Op is about Jews trusting Jews more then other while doing business, Jews don't care. Why should you do otherwise.

Like I said every one, Jews or non Jews have the right to trust who they wish. Anyone who does not is an idiot.

So they say and have it enforced as dogma by law....

Yeah making the holocaust a fact by law is pretty wrong and unconstitutional. But many gentiles on the side of this law as are many Jews against it.

Quote the contrary. Since these people are kept ignorant and divided by means of continuous propaganda, there is only little risk.

Look if you don't have the mental capability to understand that getting a loan on an overpriced house on a 30 year mortgage and that credit is a means for slavery you deserve to get screwed.

Especially if you continue the slave game once it's exposed.

Ignorance is one thing, knowingly selling your children's freedom is a sin.

Quite the contrary. I watched someone else light the fire and try to tell the world who did it as the world just keeps on burning and they continue to frame dfferent innocents people instead.

It's funny you say this because the world keeps blaming the Jews.

Only when your morals are based on some external standard. My morallity is entirely based on internal logical processes and therefor is the product of my own self accountability.

Well your internal logical processes can't compute the meaning of self accountability, you do realise you are blaming someone else right?

Further, your implication that racists are nor responsible people is quite a prejudiced statement itself.

Well I was not saying that racists are not responsible people, i was just saying that self accountability usually needs responsibility and the lack of racism.

Nice try tho.

I'm not looking for a scapegoat or hatemongering. I'm just trying to explain these facts from a rational point of view.

Well you could have fooled me.

[edit on 3-12-2009 by Izarith]

I think the OP has a point. Of course not all Jews control everything but when was the last time you've seen a homeless Jew?

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It's just historical fact, no matter your opinion of it.

You can choose to be informed by your own hunches if you prefer, but it's a bad choice, IMO.

Choose reality - it's nice here.

Originally posted by RamsOnTop
I think the OP has a point. Of course not all Jews control everything but when was the last time you've seen a homeless Jew?

When is the last time you have ever taken a homeless person into your house, bathed him, clothed him, fed him and given him lodging until he got back on his feet?

I work at a Synagogue and although I have to agree I've never met a homeless Jew I Still have to find a place to store all the donations of food and warm cloths that the Jews give to the Synagogue during "Christmas" time for the needy and homeless.

reply to post by PC equals Newspeak


Wow. So, victims of bullies bring it on themselves, women who dress sexy deserve rape, and jews brought all their problems on themselves.

I'll stop short of telling you what kind of person you are in the name of the TOS agreement, but I'm pretty disgusted.

People like you are a true danger to society.

Take more responsibility for your own lot and quit making excuses for evil.



I think I have to go vomit now.

reply to post by Izarith


So, the Jewish community manages to keep one another of the streets, and this guy wants to chalk this up to a 'conspiracy'?

Shouldn't we all be taking notes instead?

Could it possibly have anything to do with their intense commitment to family, community, education, and success?

Talk to a racist long enough, and they always show their true colors.

Is this just some perverted form of jealousy?

So, the Jewish community manages to keep one another of the streets, and this guy wants to chalk this up to a 'conspiracy'?

What you have never heard the conspiracy behind "The Ancient Mythical Alchemik Secrets Of The Nagging Jewish Mother"?

Shouldn't we all be taking notes instead?

Well we could take notes....if only we were granted the secret Zionist encryption code to decipher their technique. But we don't, so we can't.

Could it possibly have anything to do with their intense commitment to family, community, education, and success?

NOOO!! It can't BEEE!!!

Is this just some perverted form of jealousy?

Not at all in my opinion, rather it's envy and hate in it's purest form.

That and I believe in reincarnation, we all have our faults we are working on in our lives. Lessons we are trying to learn, but some people just don't really want to.

Don't let them get to you tho.

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meh. things get to me.

good post, btw.

i'm going to go practice my secret handshake now.

Originally posted by Izarith

I'm pretty sure some Maffia members see it like that, although most (especially today) probably don't.

That's what I'm saying

There are differences between different types of Maffia. Some are very ethnocentric and do in some way actually benefit to their local communities (eg. the Yakuza and the "Jewish Maffia") whereas other types are merely looking for short-term profit and will not hesitate to harm or kill anyone as they see fit (eg. the Albanian Maffia). Most (like the Russians or Italians) are somewhere in between.

Originally posted by Izarith
WW II

It does seem like the Jews in the concentration camps were pretty much ignored by the allies during that war, but I'm not sure the Jewish lobbies in Washington and London could really have done anything to change that. Although they were very powerful, they weren't nearly as dominant as they are today.

Originally posted by Izarith
Well you do flip flop between the topic of "All Jews being a part of some Zionist agenda" and "It's not all the Jews" depending on what post your responding too.

I acknowledge the fact that thousands if not millions of Jews are involved in an agenda set forth by the so-called New World Order, but I also acknowledge the fact that most of them are but common men and women used as pawns steered by deceptive propaganda and PR rather than evil conspirators. Thus, one could make either implication depending on the degree of nuance in my statements. I can't nuance every single statement as much as the other.

Originally posted by Izarith

Then why is there the explicit policy of building the Jewish homeland with a very ethno-centric legislation being pushed down everyone's throat, while the force a corrosive multi-culturalist agenda on the rest of the world? This makes no sense unless from a Talmudic perspective.

Because some people don't fall for BS, Some do.

Your insinuating that Jews are told some super secret agenda as children that separates them from the gentiles. This is not true.

Jews are told from an early age onward that they as Jews are 'special'. They are told that the Jewish mind and soul are superior to those of gentiles because Jews are (supposebly) more intelligent and have a direct link with God (being his "chosen people").

Although many Jews are secular and thus don't believe in God, they do tend to preserve this sense of superiority and resentment towards the gentile world. In many cases this resentment leads to a sort of arrogance and hatred towards gentiles that's no less extreme and vulgar than that of Julius Streicher towards the Jews. This extremist anti-gentile sentiment is the key to understanding the origins of antisemitism.

Originally posted by Izarith
This same ethno-centric legislation is in Mexico too and in many other countries around the world.

Ethnocentrism is the natural state for every culture. The problem with Jewish ethnocentrism is that it's far more radical than most (both in its love for their own culture and its hatred towards other cultures) and that many Jews are actively involved in movements intended to destroy the cultures and patriotic feelings of the gentiles they live amongst precisely because of this ethnocentrism.

Originally posted by Izarith
America is made by immigrants and it's just finally feeling the need to end it's own multi-culturalist agenda now that it's population can self generate due to the instalment of many different ethno-centric immigrants.

The multicultural agenda is an offshoot of the Marxist belief system of the Frankfurt school, which was a Jewish organisation.

Originally posted by Izarith
Forced integration is a black thing not a Jew thing.

Wrong. If you research the Civil Rights movement, you'll discover that the driving force behind it were Jews. Even the NAACP was founded by Jews and dominated by Jews for most of its existence.

Originally posted by Izarith
Yeah right, the CIA wishes it had the software Vegas does in identifying possible links between people.

So?

Originally posted by Izarith
And just to let you know the impossibility for them to loose money when all profits and losses are aggregated is called a fixed game where I come from.

Throwing a coin 1000 times at a completely random fashion will generate approximately 500 times heads and 500 times tails. That's not because of a fixed experiment but merely because of chance determination statistics.

This logic is applied in legalised betting. The money you can win is based on your chance of winning minus a margin for the casino owner. While the individual may win a lot of money if he's lucky, the aggregate of thousands of different players follows the principle of chance determination statistics and thus in average each player goes home with a little money less than he came with.

Originally posted by Izarith
Well I made a clear distinction between a Mafia and the Jewish people as a whole. You chose to deny this and blanket all Jews alive, on the planet as a Criminal entity.

I was merely stating the fact that there is no clear line separating the "Jewish Maffia", the Jewish religion and Jewish identity because of Jewish ethnocentric behavior (eg. Jews only doing business with Jews) and a powerful anti-gentile sentiment within Jewish culture as a whole. This does NOT imply that all Jews are part of the "Jewish Maffia" nor that none of them are. All it implies is that there is a huge area of grew between black ("Jewish Maffia") and white (ordinary God-fearing Jews).

Originally posted by Izarith
No, Jews are forced to do the same. They just choose not to obey.

Oh yes they are. Israel is the ONLY Western country where ethnocentric laws are ALLOWED and Jews in the Western world are allowed to discriminate gentiles without anyone bothering....

Originally posted by Izarith
Like I said every one, Jews or non Jews have the right to trust who they wish. Anyone who does not is an idiot.

In many Western countries including the US so-called "affirmative action" does not allow gentiles to make such decisions.

Originally posted by Izarith
Look if you don't have the mental capability to understand that getting a loan on an overpriced house on a 30 year mortgage and that credit is a means for slavery you deserve to get screwed.

So unintelligent people deserve to get screwed rather than educated and warned not to make stupid decisions?

Hmmmm.....

Originally posted by Izarith
Ignorance is one thing, knowingly selling your children's freedom is a sin.

Not for idiots who don't know any better... You'd be surprised how many intelligent well-educated people are fooled by the most obvious propaganda, so I don't see how you can blame unintelligent and poorly educated people for falling into a similar trap.

Originally posted by Izarith

Quite the contrary. I watched someone else light the fire and try to tell the world who did it as the world just keeps on burning and they continue to frame dfferent innocents people instead.

It's funny you say this because the world keeps blaming the Jews.

The world (ie. the Western world) blames pretty much anyone besides the Jews. Especially "racists", "fascists", "Muslem-extremists" and other people sceptical of Jewish power are popular targets.

Originally posted by Izarith

Only when your morals are based on some external standard. My morallity is entirely based on internal logical processes and therefor is the product of my own self accountability.

Well your internal logical processes can't compute the meaning of self accountability, you do realise you are blaming someone else right?

I blame others for harm done by others and blame myself for harm done by myself... as any rational person should.

Originally posted by Izarith

Further, your implication that racists are nor responsible people is quite a prejudiced statement itself.

Well I was not saying that racists are not responsible people, i was just saying that self accountability usually needs responsibility and the lack of racism.

Responsibility, yes. Lack of racism, no. I've met many very responsible racists in my life, many of them being more responsible in their lives than your every day anti-racist.

Racism is an emotional reaction to multiculturalism or ethnic conflict, much like antisemitism is a reaction of Jewish ethnocentric behaviors and actions. While I do not condone such irrationallity, I do not judge the people who become racists as the origin of their racism does not lie with them but with the triggers that cause it.

Originally posted by Izarith

I'm not looking for a scapegoat or hatemongering. I'm just trying to explain these facts from a rational point of view.

Well you could have fooled me.

Maybe because of your own prejudice towards people with different opinions

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just 2 things:

prove to me jews set up the naacp

and i've talked to some of my jewish friends about this 'chosen people' thing.

it's in the bible, but they were certainly never told it in the manner you are imagining. this is pure myth.

you have an active and dark imagination.

Originally posted by RamsOnTop
I think the OP has a point. Of course not all Jews control everything but when was the last time you've seen a homeless Jew?

When was the last time you looked or made an inquiry?

Homeless on the bimah

Homeless statistics are not exact, but Pinchos Kurinsky, Project ORE's site director, estimates that there are about 2,000 homeless Jews in the New York area. His agency serves 250 individuals a year, 35 to 55 daily. About 35 come to the Shabbat program.

The region's total homeless population is estimated at 40,000, a number that also includes those living in shelters.

"As a Jewish community, we generally don't acknowledge that we need to cater to Jewish homeless clients," said Miryam Rosenzweig, the Educational Alliance's director of volunteers. "A lot of times, our reputation is that Jews are rich and that Jews don't have homeless people

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you blamed geeks for being bullied, women for being raped, and jews for being persecuted.

but when it comes to mortages, you decide to stop your habit of blaming the victim, and blame the jewish bankers.

this is the kind of mental gymnastics a person has to go through to rationalize something as ignorant as bigotry.

later you say blame for harm should lay with the harmer, which not only again directly contradicts your earlier statements, but is a standard you refuse to apply to the persecution of jews.

your logic is no logic at all - you just warp your ideas to fit your bigotry. you are logically inconsistent.

give a bigot enough rope - keep them talking long enough - and they eventually hang themselves.


mensa my #&!

Originally posted by Izarith
When is the last time you have ever taken a homeless person into your house, bathed him, clothed him, fed him and given him lodging until he got back on his feet?

I work at a Synagogue and although I have to agree I've never met a homeless Jew I Still have to find a place to store all the donations of food and warm cloths that the Jews give to the Synagogue during "Christmas" time for the needy and homeless.

Jewish charity exists to help other Jews. Gentile charity exists to help people regardless of race of creed. This pretty much sums up my point.

Since you work at a Synagogue, you should look and see if ANY of these donations to go gentiles

Originally posted by TrueTruth
Wow. So, victims of bullies bring it on themselves

Some do, some don't. You can't generalise.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
women who dress sexy deserve rape

No they don't. However, they shouldn't be surprised if they are believed to be "easy" by dressing slutty and thus they are increasing the risk of getting raped by the way they dress. It is precisely because of this reasoning why Muslem women are expected to dress soberly (which is also true for Orthodox Jews and which used to be true among Christians).

Originally posted by TrueTruth
jews brought all their problems on themselves.

Some Jews are responsibly for the antisemitism directed towards all Jews. Please don't generalise my nuanced statements with such simplistic claims and pretend that's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
I'll stop short of telling you what kind of person you are in the name of the TOS agreement, but I'm pretty disgusted.

People like you are a true danger to society.

You're the one making one false generalisation after the other while I'm trying to nuance everything I say and speak of proven facts only, so I don't see how I'm the true danger to society.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
Take more responsibility for your own lot and quit making excuses for evil.

What evil?

I do take responsibility for own lot. I don't see how recognising the wrongdoings of others implies not recognising your own wrongdoings. With that sort of pseudo-logic, I'd rather say people like you are the true danger to society.

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"Jewish charity exists to help other Jews"

This is just plain ignorant. The donations they bring in are not there for Jews - they're there for poor people. Jews have a long established tradition in this country of being generous contributors to charity - this again, is you fictionalizing based on nothing but bigotry and total ignorance of their culture. Major fail.

"No they don't. However, they shouldn't be surprised if they are believed to be "easy" by dressing slutty and thus they are increasing the risk of getting raped by the way they dress. "

Nice backpeddling -and yet, not enough to stop yourself from still being disgusting.

" Please don't generalise my nuanced statements with such simplistic claims and pretend that's what I'm saying. "

Your statements aren't nuanced - they're just you being only half honest - ie, they're you trying to hide your base nature with a garb of pseudointellectualism. Stop being dishonest. Nobody can't see right through you.

"You're the one making one false generalisation after the other while I'm trying to nuance everything I say and speak of proven facts only"

You haven't made a single statement of fact yet. You source nothing. You fabricate history, and you fictionalize based on whatever you feel. Another lie. Do you even know you're lying?



Honestly man - your so dazzled by your own intellect that you have no idea how transparent you are, or how much of what you say/think is based on nothing but ugly emotions.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
prove to me jews set up the naacp

Why must I look it up for you? Are you incapable of doing your own research?

For years W.E.B. DuBois was the only Black officer in the NAACP, which was largely directed, funded, and controlled in its early decades by Jews like Henry Moskowitz and Joel Spingarn. [ARSON, p. 140] (In 1913 Spingarn announced a yearly award named after himself, the "Spingarn Medal," for the "highest and noblest achievement of an American Negro." [DINER, p. 138] ) In a later era, and another Black organization, the Southern Leadership Christian Conference, a Jew -- Stanley Levison -- even wrote Martin Luther King's speeches for him. [MARTIN, p. 132] Levison has been described as one of King's "closest personal advisers." [KAUFMAN, J., 1988, p. 66] This voice of "Christian Leadership," Levison, was also discovered by the FBI to have been a former Communist party member. [KAUFMAN, J., p. 66] Another Jew, Marvin Rich, was the "chief fundraiser and key speech writer for the Congress of Racial Equality -- CORE", [GINZBURG, p. 145] and his position was later filled by another Jewish attorney, Alan Gartner. In the 1960s, "in CORE, younger and more militant members blocked efforts by [James] Farmer to name one of his Jewish advisers president of CORE, insisting the post be filled with a black." [KAUFMAN, J., 1988, p. 76] In the same era, the Executive Director of the American Jewish Congress, Will Maslow, was also a CORE national board member. (He resigned in outrage when one African-American CORE official, Clifford Brown, angrily declared that Hitler hadn't "killed enough" Jews). [UROFSKY, M., 1978, p. 327]

Another such Black civil rights group was the National Urban League, greatly funded by the Sears-Roebuck magnate, Julius Rosenwald. Edwin Seligman ("descended from one of the wealthiest and most prestigious Jewish families"), was the first chairman of the organization. Its first Executive Board included Abraham Lefkowitz and Felix Adler -- later joined by Seligman's brother George and Ella Sachs Plotz. In 1932, six Jews "served as officials" at the Urban League's Chicago branch. [DINER, p. 186] Following Jewish philanthropic donations, Salmon O. Levinson began directorship of the Abraham Lincoln Center (a social work center for Blacks and whites) in 1917. [DINER, p. 181] Jacob Billikopf, also Jewish, became chairman of Howard University, a Black college, in 1935. Fisk University also had influential Jewish board members. To this day, Rabbi David Saperstein serves as an NAACP board member. "By the mid-1960s," says Jonathan Kaufman, "Jewish contributions made up three-quarters of the money raised by SNCC [Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee], CORE, and SCLC. So important were contributions from Jews to SCLC, Jesse Jackson recalled later, that for a time King's advisers debated whether they should call the group simply the Southern Leadership Conference, eliminating the reference to 'Christian.' In phone conversations with King, Bayard Rustin, one of King's top advisers, would remind him to include references in his speeches to the 'Judeo-Christian tradition.'" [KAUFMAN, J., 1988, p. 66]

Jewish actor Theodore Bikel, a Zionist activist, was once "one of SNCC's most prominent supporters." [VOLKMAN, p. 215] Howard Zinn was also a Jewish SNCC "adviser." [KAUFMAN, J., 1988, p. 67] SNCC African-American leader Stokely Carmichael's "first demonstration was a pro-Israel rally held in front of the United Nations by the Young Socialist League." (He later became very vocally anti-Zionist). Another SNCC Black leader, Robert Moses, "had gone to the Jewish socialist camp, Camp Wo-Chi-Ca, as a child and befriended many Jews from radical and socialist homes." [KAUFMAN, J., 1988, p. 67]

What about the Southern Poverty Law Center, famed fighter for the impoverished and African-American rights, especially in the South? It is based in Montgomery, Alabama, and in 1996 the local Montgomery Advertiser printed an embarrassing expose about the Center. The salary, noted the paper, for SPLC president and CEO (as well as SPLC co-founder) Joseph Levin was $137,798 a year. Not bad for a fighter on behalf of those mired in poverty. The Center's Legal Director, Richard Cohen, made $151,420. But that's not all. The Advertiser further noted that "One thing remains a constant at the nation's wealthiest civil rights charity, the Montgomery-based Southern Poverty Law Center: All the top-paid, top-level management jobs are held by whites." [RICHARDSON, S., 8-29, p. D7] [No notation of the percentage of Jews within this "white" nomenclature is noted] In SPLC's 25-year history "no black person has held a top-level management position, and only one black staffer has ever been among the top five paid positions." In SPLC's team of five lawyers, one was African-American. [RICHARDSON, S., 8-29-96, p. D7]

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Originally posted by TrueTruth
and i've talked to some of my jewish friends about this 'chosen people' thing.

it's in the bible, but they were certainly never told it in the manner you are imagining. this is pure myth.

Most Jews are told by their parents and community that they as Jews are smarter or better than gentiles. The particular way in which this claim is made, depends on the religious background of the parents.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
you blamed geeks for being bullied, women for being raped, and jews for being persecuted.

No I don't. I already explained to you what I actually did say but you seem to lack a total lack of nuance.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
but when it comes to mortages, you decide to stop your habit of blaming the victim, and blame the jewish bankers.

Obviously people taking bad mortgages carry some responsibility, however one cannot underestimate the importance of the blind consumerist advertising that's constantly pushed onto these people and the fact that banks see them as easy prey and do prey on them.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
this is the kind of mental gymnastics a person has to go through to rationalize something as ignorant as bigotry.

I'm not rationalising bigotry at all. I'm just saying that not everything labeled as bigotry is actual bigotry.

reply to post by PC equals Newspeak


burden of proof is on the maker of a claim. come on mensa man - surely you must know this standard rule of debate.

surely you must be able to source your claims, being a genius and all.


come on. impress me.