Why the scientific community totally ignores UFO/Aliens

Surely anyone who has spent years building up credibility with his peers would not want to waste that credibility by making outlandish claims to a subject he or she cannot prove one way or another.

I know I would not want to be a laughing stock after years of hard work in my dedicated field.

Can you blame them for not wanting to research stuff like that?

Could it be because UFO's and their occupance are demonic entities and any attention that scientist's give the subject gives credence to religion and creation which flies in the face of their religion called evolution ?.

Originally posted by Badge01
We have only two creditable cases in all of UFO/ET history.
I know of no other cases that have credible evidence. (that we know of)
They're all just 'stories', though many are mysterious and compelling.

Right, so what about Rendleshem Forest where multiple army personnel witnessed the same lights, recorded marks on the ground and saw broken tree branches from where the UFO flew off?

Right, so what about the Valentich abduction where his final moments were recorded on tape telling Melbourne Flight Services that something metallic was on top of him? Corroborated by shore witnesses that saw the green light circling over his his Cessna?

Right, so what about the UFO hovering over the ground at White Acres in Victoria that left ground traces and emptied a full tank of water?

Even if you dismiss all other cases and you are only left with Lonnie Zamora - why would a trained police officer report something other than what he saw, when the evidence also backs up his story???

In another previous thread, you wanted evidence about UFOs. YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE. You choose not to believe it. Remember, Lonnie Zamora probably had the justifiable right to kill in his position as a lawman. He probably also had the power to bear extremely influential eyewitness testimony against criminals in court. The case has physical evidence to support his claim - what's not to believe??? If he's not one of the most reliable UFO witnesses EVER, then who is?

Originally posted by helium3
Its this simple, because they are no UFO or alien scientific models what would they base anything on ?, they would just look like idiots sitting around scratching there heads. Derrrrrrrr we think they use a...you know propulsion system, scientific ego's would be crushed worldwide. Dont get me wrong i can totally, i would not wanna speak out on a subject i know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT, when i'm ment to be the "scientific guy". Not a good look.

So, you're saying the reason the scientific community ignores UFO/Alien related topics is because they basically don't understand the technology, and thus ignore it because they don't like looking like fools?

Albert Einstein died before he could unify the theories of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. String theory seems to be the latest (and most solid) way of explaining the forces that dictate reality, and yet many string theorists will tell you they don't understand it.

It isn't the threat of a bruised ego that keeps scientists at bay, it's the fact that there has never been a piece of hard evidence to suggest UFO's or Aliens exist. Speculation, yes. Proof? Not yet.

Science and philosophy are very similar, with the exception that scientific theories are tested via experiments, and philosophy is theory. There is a theory that aliens and UFO's exist, only because there is no proof.

Because there is no "money" in it.

Because there is no "credibility" in it.

Because there is no "peer review" publishing outlets for it.

Because there is no "career" in it.

Because there is no "federal support" for it.

Because there is no "research venue" for it.

Because there is no "professional discourse" for it.

Because there is no "official precedence" set for it.

Because there is no "advancement" through it.

Because there is no "serious media exposure" for it.

Because there is no "tenure" available for researching it.

Because there is no "serious discipline" attributed to it.

Because there is no "acceptance" in society for doing so.

Because no one likes to be humiliated - especially "scientists"...


[edit on 3/8/2007 by Outrageo]

How about you put the word "public" in front of all of the subject words you just posted, that will also go a long way to explain some of this. Way too much ego on this planet IMO, and the govt still holds the leash.

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
How about you put the word "public" in front of all of the subject words you just posted, that will also go a long way to explain some of this. Way too much ego on this planet IMO, and the govt still holds the leash.

And that is exactly the point

I think that if they do disclose this issue they are afraid people will take to the streets. I think George Bush Sr was quoted as saying something like: " if they found out what we were up to, we would be hunted in the streets by mobs."

So, this cover up is to protect themselves - they have gotten themselves into a quagmire and I don't think they know how to get out of it.

Kroms33

Originally posted by Postal76
The evidence for UFOs is usually flimsy, secondhand, and unverifiable. THIS is why the scientific community ignores UFOs and aliens.

Tell that to Steven Greer....


I think it is ignored partially because, of threats or pressure to ignore from our government with their vested interests in companies with black project contracts. Then again, I could be wrong.

The universe is potentially full of life, and we haven't been allowed to see it. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.

Would a legitimate Scientist ignore the credible witnesses and video footage?

There is a big ball of lies somewhere.

Troy

[edit on 8-3-2007 by cybertroy]

Why study something that you beleive dosn't exist?

How many scientists have witnessed a UFO in the first place?

That's why.

Great question!

You would think that being a scientist, one of the first requirements would be to have an open mind, willing to look objectively at the evidence presented on ANY matter, but it turns out scientists are human after all, with human frailities and, lets not forget,superhuman ego's.

Dont you find it amazing, to see documentaries on the Dicsovery Channel and others, where scientists talk about life surely existing elsewere in the universe, and how they have these grand plans to find other planetary systems with the possibility of life...........and yet, right under their noses, aliens have been here on and around Earth the whole time!
I find it hilarious.

When the truth finally dawns on them, it will be like kissing a bullet-train at 500 miles an hour.

Originally posted by vladmir
Dont you find it amazing, to see documentaries on the Dicsovery Channel and others, where scientists talk about life surely existing elsewere in the universe, and how they have these grand plans to find other planetary systems with the possibility of life...........and yet, right under their noses, aliens have been here on and around Earth the whole time!
I find it hilarious.

Yeah.

SETI scientists are thrilled to find even a single hint of one possible signal that might indicate some form of extraterrestrial intelligence. They have billions of signals returned to them from SETI@home, yet none have proven to be of any value. They would be THRILLED if there were even 0.00001% of exciting signals.

Project Blue Book Special Report 14 shows something like 10% of all UFO sightings are listed as UNKNOWNS, yet that's not enough to raise interest of scientists?

Double standards.

The SETI scientists should concentrate on examining the evidence for extra-terrestrial life visiting Earth before they bother to turn the telescope upwards.

I'm a member of The Planetary Society and that's the only real concern that I have about their mission and vision - they refuse to entertain the idea of UFOs. It's not even popular to discuss them in a privately funded space interest group.

It really smacks of double standards to look for evidence of life everywhere else, but to ignore the life that is visiting Earth.

[edit on 9-3-2007 by tezzajw]

Everyone keeps fighting back and forth about what theory is what, and who's conspiracy is right. Even from inside the Ufology community there is infighting and disagreement. So, with that piled up on top of everyone not knowing what is fact and what is fiction - you now have a ripple in the system that governments can play on (basic psychology really).

Keep the people split on issues, classes and culture is the best way to maintain control.

This ripple in the system segregates everyone from banding together - since the scientists want to remain on the 'proven' side of the fence - not many are coming forward because their carriers would be in jeopardy if they did.

If you look at American society - you will see that it is rooted deep in segregation. From poor to rich from black to white, and from UFO researcher to skeptic - the truth will never be found unless there is a public outcry from nearly everyone - especially scientists.

Other then that - the government will still maintain control over its secrets because it still has everyone divided.

You know the term "Divide and Conquer" don't you???
Now think of it on a psychological level.
Welcome to the USA.

Don't really think the scientific community ignores the UFO/Alien problem. But maybe remain hesitant as it seems to me serious scientific enquiry negatively effects getting funding.

As Major Hector Quintanilla of Project Bluebook stated, (paraphrased) the Air force had an interest in channeling UFO technology into Research & Development.
That was a big statement and one of the few admissions that I have read and seen. I'm convinced all things dealing with EBEs and their Anti gravity craft knowledge and downed hardware are seriously being scientifically studied under black programs and black budget funding.

Mainstream scientists outside the above community are being repelled from using government funding for the study of the same in an open scientific environment. Doing so means the funding stops. Applications for scientific funding where the applicant's history shows prior research in ufological items means refusal or denial of the application for funding.

Dallas

foia.fbi.gov...
members.aol.com...

Originally posted by kroms33
Everyone keeps fighting back and forth about what theory is what, and who's conspiracy is right. Even from inside the Ufology community there is infighting and disagreement. So, with that piled up on top of everyone not knowing what is fact and what is fiction - you now have a ripple in the system that governments can play on (basic psychology really).

Keep the people split on issues, classes and culture is the best way to maintain control.

Well that totally makes sense, and that is what IS going on.

On top of that, the government also plays another chess move.
The Govt. cunningly opts keeps silent from the whole issue officially, almost aloof!

So that is to say,
"We are above all this childish UFO-Alien talk, it is beneath us to keep clarifying that UFO's dont exist, and there is no coverup.
Grow up, will you?
bah, kids."

So to the average Joe it seems logical that the Govt. is turning a deaf ear to this whole matter because obviously they have more important things to take care of, like terrorism!
"Surely, the Govt. would never lie to us, if all this was true, then they would never have been able to keep this secret, no way!"

Wel ,in time, all the 'debunkers' will have to eat their words.

Evolution is ignored by a great deal of the population, I think the reality we're talking about aliens - is just too much for a scientist to grasp. But we the people are ready and come foward. Maybe they are scientists who study ufo/aliens in secret? Then there are scientists who get kidnapped to work for the govt.. therefore maybe scientist aren't ignoring the issue after all.

Most mainstream scientists don't have access to this technology so what is there to study? It's not that proof does not exist its rather that it is guarded extremely well and only scientists with the highest clearance can work on such projects. The ones that do work on black projects are not allowed to divulge any information and if they do their life is in serious jeopardy!

Most scientists only have access to public information and "Science fiction" so how can they form knowledgable conclusions? Sure it is a laughing matter if you don't know any better!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Most mainstream scientists don't have access to this technology so what is there to study? It's not that proof does not exist its rather that it is guarded extremely well and only scientists with the highest clearance can work on such projects. The ones that do work on black projects are not allowed to divulge any information and if they do their life is in serious jeopardy!

Most scientists only have access to public information and "Science fiction" so how can they form knowledgable conclusions? Sure it is a laughing matter if you don't know any better!

Right, and that is the best way to maintain control. Lets put a scenario into play here:

You are a scientist working at lets say Area 51 (for folklores sake). You see dead bodies of aliens and you are working on reverse engineering a craft of otherworldly design. You think that the public should know about this so you gather evidence and hide it in a secret location.
You start talking to people in the media to expose the story. The government has a tight leash on you - your house is bugged and you are constantly monitored - every move you make is watched. A knock on your door reveals a couple government agents with a quick message: "Give us the stolen 'evidence' or we are going to kill your child, then we will kill your wife, and then anyone and everyone you know.

I this short scenario - we all would do the human thing: give the stuff back.
Soon after that, you die of natural causes - or perhaps a car crash. The government can make as many people as it wants disappear , with almost no questions asked about the matter.

This is why - as a researcher - I tread on cautious ground in everything I read about aliens/UFOs... much of it is most likely disinformation to proverbially throw a cog in the wheel of progress. The only way to stop this is for the various organizations to unify... but with all the sales of DVDs and books - that will most likely never happen - too much profit involved.

The Chess game is underway - and the government is winning.

Originally posted by vladmir

Originally posted by kroms33
Everyone keeps fighting back and forth about what theory is what, and who's conspiracy is right. Even from inside the Ufology community there is infighting and disagreement. So, with that piled up on top of everyone not knowing what is fact and what is fiction - you now have a ripple in the system that governments can play on (basic psychology really).

Keep the people split on issues, classes and culture is the best way to maintain control.

Well that totally makes sense, and that is what IS going on.

On top of that, the government also plays another chess move.
The Govt. cunningly opts keeps silent from the whole issue officially, almost aloof!

So that is to say,
"We are above all this childish UFO-Alien talk, it is beneath us to keep clarifying that UFO's dont exist, and there is no coverup.
Grow up, will you?
bah, kids."

So to the average Joe it seems logical that the Govt. is turning a deaf ear to this whole matter because obviously they have more important things to take care of, like terrorism!
"Surely, the Govt. would never lie to us, if all this was true, then they would never have been able to keep this secret, no way!"

Wel ,in time, all the 'debunkers' will have to eat their words.

Yup, and what is even stranger - in my opinion is that the citizens of the USA know that their officials constantly lie to them, government corruption has become the norm - and perhaps will never change. Why haven't the American people stood up to all of this corruption with mass protests - people taking to the streets and screaming for change? Because, on a broader scale - the American public is also divided... Oil companies keep making record profits, gas prices continue to climb, but yet - here we all sit - taking whatever is handed out to us.
All of the above is pretty much proven on the corruption of the government - now what about UFOs?
I think right now, with all that is going on in the world, that IF the government came forward and said "Yeah, we have recovered flying saucers and their occupants" that it would be the doom of the USA.

Psychologically it would be the biggest slap in the face with all the corruption that is going on already - for them to come forward and say they have been hiding this stuff from the world now would topple any hope of them retaining power. People would take to the streets - and the ring leaders hunted down.

Right now, the American public has no clue of what is going on - all they see is the corruption of their government, which in essence removes everyone from seeing the facts - its a ruse. Keep everyone guessing, keep everyone occupied - do not let them unify... because if we did... they would be in BIG trouble.

Kroms33

It is not just the American government that is keep a tight lid on this subject! What about the other 200+ countries worldwide? Why are they not revealing anything?

I believe the belgian and mexican governments have given some information out but they are the exception to the rule!

I remember reading somewhere that between the Indian and Chinesse border people constantly see ufos entering and leaving through the mountains and both governments have small elite forces there to keep people out!

I will try to find the source and paste it here. You see the rabbit hole is much more deep than most people think!