Why the scientific community totally ignores UFO/Aliens

Its this simple, because they are no UFO or alien scientific models what would they base anything on ?, they would just look like idiots sitting around scratching there heads. Derrrrrrrr we think they use a...you know propulsion system, scientific ego's would be crushed worldwide. Dont get me wrong i can totally, i would not wanna speak out on a subject i know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT, when i'm ment to be the "scientific guy". Not a good look.

Exactly.

The scientific community ignores the UFO/alien topic because they cannot comprhend how their craft operate. There would be nothing more ego bashing than being at the top of your game in the scientific field, then having this foreign craft show up that, for the life of you, you cannot figure out how it operates, let alone determine how it transverses time and space to arrive on our planet.

I have heard this elsewhere that scientists that worked at Area51/S4 have quit due to the ego deflating work they do there. Trying to reverse engineer something that operates in realms that we have no comprehension of has to crush your morale.

Easy solution for them all..."All it is, is swamp gas"

No offense, but that doesn't make a bit of sense. If the scientific community simply ignored everything it didn't understand, then we wouldn't EVER make new discoveries, develop new theories, or produce new technology, save by accident. Simply ridiculous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The evidence for UFOs is usually flimsy, secondhand, and unverifiable. THIS is why the scientific community ignores UFOs and aliens.

The scientific community totally ignores UFO/Aliens for 2 main reasons:

1: The 'laughter curtain', a ridicule factor that has been perpetuated by the government, and, especially, by the media -for decades. Few scientists are willing to stick their neck out, even by just a millimeter or so, to suggest that they are the slightest bit interested in, or *gasp*, believe in the possibility that UFOs/Aliens are worthy of scientific inquiry.

2: The unavoidable corollary that most scientists become that way through an association with an internationally recognized academic institution. Every University on the planet depends on funding to survive. Nearly all of this funding comes from host government agencies. Since the governments decide what matters are to be investigated, and they have a long history of 'plausible denial' regarding this topic, they of course award ZERO DOLLARS in grant money to any institutions to study the matter. No money/no grants = no research = no academic tenure = no scientists studying this subject.

Granted, there are a few PhDs who break away from acadaemea after they spend a few years as physicists/astronomers/engineers, etc. If they can make a living writing a book or two about UFO's/Aliens, perhaps start a non-profit, then you might get some 'scientific study' of sorts (Friedman/Greer, etc). But official funding for research will never happen (at least not for the immediate future.)

Unfortunate perhaps - but this is the truth. If you doubt it - approach any large university and apply to be admitted to any of their doctorate programs with the intent of studying the UFO phenomenon. Trust me - I've tried it.

You will be told that your 'needs can not be accommodated' by the University. Translation: "we don't support that research because there is no funding in it so go away. Besides - we don't wish to be associated with the 'laughing factor' and risk losing funding for our other "worthwhile' research."

No, alas, until the potential of UFO/Alien technology is accepted in mainstream society and the media as a viable topic of inquiry - without the 'giggle factor' - very few bona fide scientists will jeopardize their careers by feigning even the slightest interest...

In the meantime, thanks for the post - and keep looking up!

[edit on 3/7/2007 by Outrageo]

Originally posted by Postal76
The evidence for UFOs is usually flimsy, secondhand, and unverifiable. THIS is why the scientific community ignores UFOs and aliens.

"Flimsy" is not a word i would use to describe a former CIA Director statements.

Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

“My own present opinion, based on two years of careful study, is that UFOs are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed ‘surveillance’.”

I guess Dr James McDonald smoked alot of crack ?

Dr James McDonald before Congress, 1968.

“These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the Earth, either manned or under remote control, or both.”

“Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld.”

I also take it astronauts are also know for there flimsy, secondhand and unverifiable
information. After all thats why we spend billions of dollar to get them into space isn't it ?

Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury and Gemini Astronaut describing an incident he witnessed during the 1960’s during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure Program.

“The UFO was bouncing around the 747. (It) was a huge ball with lights running around it… Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I can tell you what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you.”

Its obvious that no amount of reliable evidence is going to change your mind, so just admit you choose to live in ignorance, because THE EDVIDENCE IS THERE !!!

More UFO quotes

This IS a very interesting subject when you think about it.

Here we have a very real phenomenon affecting very much random people all over the globe. As probably already pointed out, we have presidents, high government officials, professional pilots and more people claiming this to be a real phenomenon, yet no one seems to care.

Ï recently started thinking about probabilities, and how we hide behind the so called "fact" that the probabilities of alien visitation is so low that it's impossible Not to ridicule those who claim to have seen ET crafts.

What I found was that there's is very little meaning behind such a statement.

Scientists are really hypocrites when it comes to the probability statement. You see, we have set rules to what applies to probability, yet scientists set an abnormally if not extremely high burden of evidence when it comes to proof. This ensues that all claims, no matter how reasonable, no matter how much (video and photographic) proof it can be backed up with, are gone to waste, just because.. well, we're too stubborn to even Try and realize what's going on.

They say "Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence", but what's to say that these are extraordinary claims in the first place? Unlike the age old "god vs. science" debate, this is actually applicable to reality! Hear me out.

What we know today is a result of a few hundred years of scientific research, right? With todays technology we can travel at an astounding 10% of light speed. We'd have a helluva problem slowing down, but we can still do it! This next question is a very serious one to ponder in this argument, and that is; What is to say that no form of life or other, anywhere in the universe, hasn't created technology superior to ours, and can because of it overcome the great distances of space?

If mankind tries to answer this question I think it's a fair statement that we'd be blindly fumbling in the dark, trying to find a light switch that isn't there. We can try and come up with an answer/find the light switch, but as we're basing that answer on information that is only available to us, we can only conclude that we simply cannot come up with one.

Sorry about the metaphor, but what I'm stating, with utmost certainty, is that we simply can not make an even remotely qualified guess as to what's probable or not. Therefore, when we say that alien visitation isn't probable, we're plainly and simply Wrong, because there's just no way of knowing.



Comments are appreciated. I researched about this for a good week to be able to be this certain about my thing. Did you know there's a Remarkable absence of Google hits on alien visitation probability?

Originally posted by helium3


I also take it astronauts are also know for there flimsy, secondhand and unverifiable
information. After all thats why we spend billions of dollar to get them into space isn't it ?

I have yet to see any verifiably real interviews with astronauts saying they saw or know about alien craft or aliens themselves. You can trot out the old transcript about how "they're watching us from behind that crater" or whatever but there's no evidence that isn't a complete fabrication. There is an ambiguous story about a trailing object that might've been a piece of rocket booster from a lower stage. Then there are the fire-flies that were likely debris. Then there were the eye-flashes caused by cosmic rays.

Anybody have anything SOLID that a non-diaper-wearing astronaut said about this?

Originally posted by helium3
Its this simple, because they are no UFO or alien scientific models what would they base anything on ?, they would just look like idiots sitting around scratching there heads.

Well, some scientists do take 'alien life' seriously, these are xenobiologists looking for signs of microbial life on nearby planets. Unfortunately budget for this got cut massively in order to put some more spam in a can in orbit, and make BoLockMartEing even more profitable than mere war machines.

Other than that, as in 'big grey eyes' ETs, what are scientists going to propose DOING?

"We're gonna troll web sites"

There is nothing useful to be done until ETs decide to land and start talking in the open to scientists.

So far one thing that I've never seen in any of the abduction mythos is a serious professional scientists having a scientific two-way conversation with ET. (never even seen a report of a scientist being 'abducted' either) So, even in the unverifiable stories, I've seen not any single hint of any useful or interesting "ET science" that shows any level of sophistication on either side. Nada.

At least Bob Lazar talks normally about known Earth science, but when it comes to the magic frobnozz bits (nuclear gravity wave or whatever) it is totally handwaving and silent where that's where the intense interest really would be. I.e. no more than a decently educated sci-fi reader would be able to think up on the spur of the moment. I liked his describing the optical distortions from the 'gravity amplifier' which were obvious consequences of GR. Most people wouldn't even get that.

This is how you can tell if you suddenly are able to build table-top "antigravity": table-top gravitational lensing.

Originally posted by Sophismata

Originally posted by helium3


I also take it astronauts are also know for there flimsy, secondhand and unverifiable
information. After all thats why we spend billions of dollar to get them into space isn't it ?

I have yet to see any verifiably real interviews with astronauts saying they saw or know about alien craft or aliens themselves.

Just because i have never seen Elvis in person does that entitle me to claim he does not exist ?


It took me 5 seconds on Youtube to find this elusive proof you have yet to find of Buzz talking about UFO's on Apollo 11, please being EXERETEMLY IGNORANT its no excuse.

Buzz talks about UFO's on Apollo 11

This is just one of many, put some effort in please.

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Originally posted by helium3
Its this simple, because they are no UFO or alien scientific models what would they base anything on ?, they would just look like idiots sitting around scratching there heads. Derrrrrrrr we think they use a...you know propulsion system, scientific ego's would be crushed worldwide. Dont get me wrong i can totally, i would not wanna speak out on a subject i know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT, when i'm ment to be the "scientific guy". Not a good look.

I just did a quick query on ufos at google and got 50,000 hits/images and your telling me ufos don't exist At what point does skepticism become MORONISM

Also, what about the reverse engineering of ufos at S-4? Oh, I forget that is "fantasy" too!

well i have the feeling ufo's exist but you have a very good point there and i respect your idea

The answer is very simple! They have to keep their jobs and their "credibility"!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
At what point does skepticism become MORONISM

Dont get me wrong skeptics are vital to Ufology because they keep the more outlandish claims in check by forcing your research to be ON POINT. What i find is the kicker is people put all there faith in religion because of "secondhand tales" that are 3000 years old, yet where the crazy ones.

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
The answer is very simple! They have to keep their jobs and their "credibility"!

BINGO,

Plus i mite add there funding, don't wanna rock the boat now that little johnny and sally are now in privates schools.

When edison first told the scientific community he had invented electric light....his peers laughed their butts off.
And nothing short of a string of lights strung up out in the street ultimately changed their minds.... aaaaahhhh dir this guy may be onto something....

The same with the wright brothers ETC.......

The fact is most scientists are just as narrow minded as anybody else.... and they have their favorite theories just like you have your favorite baseball team....

And if you come along and tell them their team sucks they are going to crusify you unless you can prove it beyond the shaddow of a doubt.

And seeing is often not enough most may scientists presented with a saucer in their front yard would rather believe in mass halucination (of the same thing? at the same Time?) than their eyes.

Because it defies their logic and theories. They work hard and study hard and learn how things work. But they do so in a human thought. For example, they think that because we are living creatures and we require such elements as water and oxygen, that ALL creatures in the universe MUST need these elements as well. What if there are some creatures that don't? Their view on science is very earth centric. Some of the scientists go as far as to say that their is no life elsewhere in the universe, but they do so right here from the comfort of their planet. But the reality is that they cannot say that with 100% certainty because it is not possible to travel to each and every planet and assure it.

Most if not all science is based on experiences lived on earth. Most scientists do not see UFOs and Aliens, and they are well studied in the sciences of earth. They basically think that they have the upper hand, and that they know more to it then any other on this planet. The theories that they present are usually related to other ideas that have been proven to work. They rarely deviate from the dogmatic path of science, and think that “if that's the way it works here, it must be the way it works everywhere" and this sometimes just ain't true.


[edit on 7-3-2007 by The Coward]

We have only two creditable cases in all of UFO/ET history.

The Cash-Landrum Case - which was probably not what they thought it was. (it was probably a Terrestrial craft with a nuclear engine).

The Lonnie Zamora Case. This may also have been a terrestrial craft.

I know of no other cases that have credible evidence. (that we know of)

They're all just 'stories', though many are mysterious and compelling.

There's not much scientists can do with stories. They did investigate the two I mention above, but it was not conclusive.

Look at crop circles. There are several 'scientists' studying them. Why? Because there is at least something to study.

So, I'd say it's not fear or doubt, but the lack of anything to actually study, or reproduce or verify.

I have to agree the Cash-Landrum case is probably an example, since the Military went to extra-ordinary means to conceal and obfuscate that case - even to the point of digging up part of the road and repaving it.

I believe the conspiracy may be even deeper than just the "laugh factor" and stuff like that.

The question is, "why is it something to laugh at?"

Why is it that life outside planet earth is so heavily protested by some? You mention UFOs to some people and they react like you just burned down their house or something.

Why is it that "debunking explanations" completely don't fit the evidence sometimes?

Why is it that I found a cheesy doctored image of the face on mars from MARS Express? I could do better with Freeware software if I wanted to hide something.

Why is it we have to argue about the existence of UFOs when the evidence and testimonials exist in great numbers? It's there. There might be a lot withheld from us, but we still have a lot of evidence.

What in the heck is so important to hide from us? What are we not supposed supposed to know?

Troy

The scientific community has decided to engage itself in some form of pathological disbelief/skepticism.

Ever since the publication of the late 1960s Condon Committee Report that came to conclusions that differed from many of the cases they examined, its been clear that the scientific community, at least publicly, refuses to acknowledge the veracity of any UFO reports no matter how credible they may be.

Its likely part pathological skepticism and part fear of having unpopular scientific opinions or fear from threats from the government groups responsible for the cover up.

In November 2005 in Georgia a television meteorologist reported a widely seen UFO over Atlanta while on the air. He also said that he feared he would no longer have a job after having discussed this. I don't know if he was fearing losing his job because he went off topic from his weather reporting or if he actually had been threatened previously, but there is real fear in speaking up about this subject.

It seems to be the case that lives and livelihoods are at stake if scientists speak up on this subject with an opinion or even a statement that may appear to give the subject of UFOs credibility.

[edit on 8-3-2007 by Frith]

This forum is a good example of why scientists shy away from the topic.

Look at the front page of the UFO forum... the majority of it's threads are based on no evidence, and the ones that do have a photo / video are usually either debunked or too unclear to ascertain what the photo or video is actually of.

Also, using the same comparison, a vast number of the topics that come in and one of the front page are, to the average person, confronting, strange, unbelievable and sometimes plain crazy.

Why would a scientist, with a stable income, want to risk it to help a pseudo-science that has little to no physical evidence, more hoaxes or misidentifications than true UFOs and a sizable population of eccentric individuals?