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US mint finally gets around to making coins that don't violate the establishment clause.

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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:02 PM
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PHILADELPHIA Mar 7, 2007 (AP)— An unknown number of new George Washington dollar coins were mistakenly struck without their edge inscriptions, including "In God We Trust," and made it past inspectors and into circulation, the U.S. Mint said Wednesday.

The properly struck dollar coins, bearing the likeness of George Washington, are inscribed along the edge with "In God We Trust," "E Pluribus Unum" and the year and mint mark. They went into circulation Feb. 15.


now, i'm all for removing the whole "in god we trust" thing from currency, seeing as it wasn't like that until around the time of the civil war, and it was to soley promote christianity source




posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:46 PM
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Are you saying that these coins have multiple dies needed to strike them?

I see that this is a legitimate article from the AP. Can anyone confirm if they use multiple dies, otherwise this article is either bogus or they deliberately struck those coins on purpose. Maybe they are NWO tokens as a joke for the elite.

Edit: Perhaps they have other sets of dies without the "In God We Trust" slogan that they intend to start using when they abolish religions and form a one world religion.

[edit on 7-3-2007 by ben91069]



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ben91069
Are you saying that these coins have multiple dies needed to strike them?


they do seem to be using a seperate die, probably because these coins have "in god we trust" printed on the edge.

and you can in fact purchase one on eBay (i don't recomend it unless you're a collector. they're going for about $50)



Maybe they are NWO tokens as a joke for the elite.


...why would a coin that doesn't endore religion be an NWO token? are you saying that constitutional seperation of church and state is a tennant of the NWO?



posted on May, 30 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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in god we trust is not about the Christian God, but hatred of God tends to make some see it that way. The god on the money, is the masons god, but I don't think this op wants fact or truth to interfere with their fantasy of a Godless society. China is a Godless society, maybe you should look into that nation for a homeland. Man do our soviet styke schools really indictrinate the kids today in trash and deception, as well as rewriting history. I can only say this to comfirt such tormented souls, your Godkess society is upon us, hope you enjoy it and all the benefits that come with it.

Careful what you wish for, youjust may get it.



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
in god we trust is not about the Christian God,


it doesn't matter, 10-20% of the population has NO god.



but hatred of God tends to make some see it that way. The god on the money, is the masons god, but I don't think this op wants fact or truth to interfere with their fantasy of a Godless society.


i don't want a godless society, i want a secular government.



China is a Godless society, maybe you should look into that nation for a homeland.


china has a state religion... it's called worshipping the state.



Man do our soviet styke schools really indictrinate the kids today in trash and deception, as well as rewriting history.


can you back up any of your claims?



I can only say this to comfirt such tormented souls, your Godkess society is upon us, hope you enjoy it and all the benefits that come with it.


reason over faith? expenditures on worthwhile science? an end to the largest propogation tool of ignorance inthe world? HOORAY




Careful what you wish for, youjust may get it.


honestly, can you even show me a single reason why a godless society would be a bad thing?



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 08:57 PM
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Here is a fact sheet regarding the use of the motto "In God We Trust" on US coinage.

There have been lapses in its use since it was first adopted, but the most recent one was an accident, which has been corrected.

www.treas.gov

[edit on 2007/5/31 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 09:33 PM
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Would this be a bad time to tell Madness that "In God We Trust" is Engraved on the Walls of the US Senate chamber.

Just asking because I thought he should know.



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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"In God we trust"

That is NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL!

It's anti-atheist. But I could honestly careless what an atheist thinks about a dollar, if he chooses to not believe in God then he makes that choice to not recognize what he has known, and should not stand in the way of other peoples representations of God.

God is Allah, it is Yahweh it is so many other deities. Any God is God, and it is up to the reader to decide God for himself....

Basically one mans freedom of expression is another mans suppression -- if you favor the atheist you disfavor the believer, while neither is fair, majority rules.



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 09:59 PM
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it doesn't matter, 10-20% of the population has NO god.


10-20% is a massive difference with 300,000,000 people.
and would consider the poll, as all polls are different because polls are scientifically bunk.

Aside from that 20% is NOT 51%.




i don't want a godless society, i want a secular government.


Secular is to not favor one religion, but to favor God is actually secular. If it said "In Jesus we trust" .. then that would NOT be secular.



china has a state religion... it's called worshipping the state.


Amazing how all hyper-left governments ban God.. a degration of hope, morality, moral, belief system and identity. Hmm, yes I wonder why a hyper liberal left socialistic government would want to do that. Surely it has nothing to do with control?



can you back up any of your claims?


You don't need religion to teach good morals to kids, but a system of somekind of structure in regards to religious beliefs or practises does assist, as it gives a sense of identity, community and culture.



reason over faith? expenditures on worthwhile science? an end to the largest propogation tool of ignorance inthe world? HOORAY


While I favor the end of organized religion, there is nothing worse then a truly Godless society... nothing should be feared more, if history has something to say.



honestly, can you even show me a single reason why a godless society would be a bad thing?


Name me a Godless society or culture that survived in history. I would then give you almost every single Communist/socialist nation that has existed.



Look at Frances battle with Secularism, rather sad actually. In the fight for progress the destruction of a society will lead to a lapse in the progress worked for all because of the progress attained.



posted on May, 31 2007 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
There have been lapses in its use since it was first adopted, but the most recent one was an accident, which has been corrected.


yet it was only introduced to paper money around 1956... same as the addition of "under god" to the pledge of allegiance.

it still goes on to violate the establishment clause.


Originally posted by Rockpuck
"In God we trust"

That is NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL!

It's anti-atheist. But I could honestly careless what an atheist thinks about a dollar, if he chooses to not believe in God then he makes that choice to not recognize what he has known, and should not stand in the way of other peoples representations of God.


but the government has NO BUSINESS representing god. citizens do, the entity doesn't... and it's odd that my tax dollars go to printing money that has god on it that i then have to give back to the government.... perversely circular.



God is Allah, it is Yahweh it is so many other deities. Any God is God, and it is up to the reader to decide God for himself....


actually, God is only yahweh or allah... the only 2 monotheistic deities. the problem is that god and God are two different things...
and it still oppresses a part of the population to put it there, but removing it oppresses nobody.



Basically one mans freedom of expression is another mans suppression -- if you favor the atheist you disfavor the believer, while neither is fair, majority rules.


...majority rules shouldn't be at the expense of a minority. the problem is that we can remove the "in god we trust" smack "e pluribus unum" on it instead and EVERYONE is happy. it really doesn't hurt anyone take it off but it hurts people to keep it on.


Originally posted by Rockpuck
10-20% is a massive difference with 300,000,000 people.
and would consider the poll, as all polls are different because polls are scientifically bunk.


...shows exactly how much you knwo about where my data is coming from... census figures primarily.



Aside from that 20% is NOT 51%.



51% has no right to oppress 49%
hell, 99% has no right to opress 1%
99.9% has no right to opress 0.1%




Secular is to not favor one religion, but to favor God is actually secular. If it said "In Jesus we trust" .. then that would NOT be secular.


no, saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about god or the abscence there of is secular. not even talking about the subject is secular.



Amazing how all hyper-left governments ban God..


a totalitarian state is hyper-left?



a degration of hope, morality, moral, belief system and identity. Hmm, yes I wonder why a hyper liberal left socialistic government would want to do that. Surely it has nothing to do with control?


liberal? a complete lack of CIVIL RIGHTS is liberal? wow... shows your position. look at the facts, stalinism and maoism are hyper-right socially and who knows where economically.




You don't need religion to teach good morals to kids, but a system of somekind of structure in regards to religious beliefs or practises does assist, as it gives a sense of identity, community and culture.


yes, it gives an IN-GROUP sense of identity, community, and culture that helps facilitate the perpetuation of wars and feuds that are going on right now. thanks for making my point for me.



While I favor the end of organized religion, there is nothing worse then a truly Godless society... nothing should be feared more, if history has something to say.


we've never had a TRUELY godless society, we've had societies in which god is replaced by the state and thus becomes the equivalent.

actually, sweden is pretty much a godless society... look at how badly they're doing right now (yes, i'm being sarcastic in text)




Name me a Godless society or culture that survived in history. I would then give you almost every single Communist/socialist nation that has existed.


well, there are several problems there
to counter it i would point out every theocracy ever... and they show cruelty that even stalin couldn't match. then i can pull out nazi germany, the entirety of medieval england, and pretty much the worst nations in human history that any communist nation doesn't hold a candle to.

then there's the fact that those societies became godless BY FORCE, then each of those nations ended up following a form of state-worship or a personality cult.. which is essentially a religion to begin with.

and i can still bring up sweden.



Look at Frances battle with Secularism, rather sad actually. In the fight for progress the destruction of a society will lead to a lapse in the progress worked for all because of the progress attained.


....alright, so you throw out some claims and say it's sad... why?
and what the hell does this have to do with the topic at large? seriously, you're so off-topic here. this is about the united states and the first amendment, constitutional law.

[edit on 5/31/07 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Jun, 1 2007 @ 11:39 PM
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but the government has NO BUSINESS representing god.


Says who? As far as I am concerned the Constitution states the government and religious authorities may not mix, and that the government may not support or represent one religion - i.e. Catholicism, ect.



and it's odd that my tax dollars go to printing money that has god on it that i then have to give back to the government.... perversely circular.


The federal reserve currently prints the money, which is not government controlled its a group of private corporations / banks.

Aside from that, your qualm here is what? God is on you money that the "government gives you" --- if your a gov employee maybe --- and you then give it back in taxes.................................. Wow.

insightful indeed.




actually, God is only yahweh or allah


Says who? God is an entity or deity that is often immortal, at any level, supreme and "higher" if you will, then the rest of humanity, and thus us worshiped in any given religion.

"God" in Christianity is like saying "It." God is God above all God's in a sense to all three monotheistic religions, but is not isolated to the three.



the only 2 monotheistic deities.


2?



the problem is that god and God are two different things...


Yes, this is true, God is a god, but all the words are capitalized, so what is what right?



and it still oppresses a part of the population to put it there,


Yes, indeed it does, it suppresses the right to not believe.



but removing it oppresses nobody.


WRONG! It suppresses those who DO believe.

To say those who don't believe should not have to see God everywhere and that it is the believers job to make sure it is secular in everyway, it is then the non-believer who is oppressing the right of freedom of expression, religion, ect.

One mans freedoms is another mans suppression.




...majority rules shouldn't be at the expense of a minority


Turn that around buddy. The minority rule shouldn't be at the expense of a majority.




the problem is that we can remove the "in god we trust" smack "e pluribus unum" on it instead and EVERYONE is happy


But IS everyone happy? Or...... are you?



it really doesn't hurt anyone take it off


.....In your opinion, in my opinion it is just anther form of oppression -- the oppression of secularism.



but it hurts people to keep it on.


Because atheist demand secular dollars. Hmmm. Or at least .001% of atheist do, the rest could give a damn.



...shows exactly how much you knwo about where my data is coming from... census figures primarily.


Links?



51% has no right to oppress 49%


True.



hell, 99% has no right to opress 1%


True.



99.9% has no right to opress 0.1%


True.

Except....

49% has no right to oppress the 51%..

1% does not have the right to oppress 99%

And hell, .1% has NO right to oppress 99.9% of the people.


In the quest of secularism the rights of those forsaken are just as often overlooked then those of the society that they turn from..

The oppressed become the oppressors. Where is the line drawn?



no, saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about god or the abscence there of is secular. not even talking about the subject is secular.


In your opinion.

Show me in the constitution where it even hints that a government cannot even utter the word God.



a totalitarian state is hyper-left?


Socialistic / communist states are, yes.
Not all neo-cons???? Whats this???




liberal? a complete lack of CIVIL RIGHTS is liberal? wow... shows your position. look at the facts, stalinism and maoism are hyper-right socially and who knows where economically.


NO, absolutely not, it is the outcome product of an unchallenged political ideology, hyper liberalism turns to communist failures, and the atrocities that follow, while hyper right societies have the outcome of the complete opposite, fascist states with the same atrocities.

Which brings the point. Where do we draw the line?

Stalinism and Maoism just because they where TOTALITARIAN does NOT MEAN that they where ultra right...

righ -- left DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BASICS OF POWER EXPRESSED THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH ATROCITIES AND CONTROL!

it dictates the DIRECTION in which the totalitarian government runs its SOCIAL system....................


Basic political studies there friend... very basic.



yes, it gives an IN-GROUP sense of identity, community, and culture that helps facilitate the perpetuation of wars and feuds that are going on right now. thanks for making my point for me.


Ohh do explain.

Is the war in Iraq a religious war?




we've never had a TRUELY godless society, we've had societies in which god is replaced by the state and thus becomes the equivalent.


Very true, only societies where religion is oppressed through brutality.

You will never truly take God from any people, any where, at any time.

Religions endure everything but time.



well, there are several problems there
to counter it i would point out every theocracy ever... and they show cruelty that even stalin couldn't match. then i can pull out nazi germany, the entirety of medieval england, and pretty much the worst nations in human history that any communist nation doesn't hold a candle to.


Wrong.

Your point is bunk in this light:

Organized religions and organized theologies is what brings about such atrocities ..... not religion its self.



then there's the fact that those societies became godless BY FORCE, then each of those nations ended up following a form of state-worship or a personality cult.. which is essentially a religion to begin with.


Wrong, unless you show a perfect example of this, it does not make sense.

Unless you mean that instead of forced atheism a forced state religion is pressed, which is not spirituality at all, but a method of control and often used as an excuse to commit atrocities.




and i can still bring up sweden.


Whos stopping you?




....alright, so you throw out some claims and say it's sad... why?
and what the hell does this have to do with the topic at large? seriously, you're so off-topic here. this is about the united states and the first amendment, constitutional law.


Ehhhhh its an example of failed secularism, trying to hide what you are to save peoples sensitive feelings. Entirely on topic.



posted on Jun, 2 2007 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Says who? As far as I am concerned the Constitution states the government and religious authorities may not mix, and that the government may not support or represent one religion - i.e. Catholicism, ect.


see the case of everson v board of education







Says who? God is an entity or deity that is often immortal, at any level, supreme and "higher" if you will, then the rest of humanity, and thus us worshiped in any given religion.

"God" in Christianity is like saying "It." God is God above all God's in a sense to all three monotheistic religions, but is not isolated to the three.


but the capitalization only lends itself to the MONOTHEISTIC form.



2?


i meant the two monotheistic names. yahweh and allah, the only 2 names given to a monotheistic god.



Yes, this is true, God is a god, but all the words are capitalized, so what is what right?


no... common nouns aren't capitalized
"Let's go down that Street and see what happens."
"Thor is a God" it's the same thing, Thor is a god, not a God. God implies singular when capitalized



Yes, indeed it does, it suppresses the right to not believe.

WRONG! It suppresses those who DO believe.


so not mentioning your religion on OUR money is oppressive to you.



To say those who don't believe should not have to see God everywhere and that it is the believers job to make sure it is secular in everyway, it is then the non-believer who is oppressing the right of freedom of expression, religion, ect.


there's no logic in there. i'm saying that a POLITICAL ENTITY should be secular, not the entirety of the public sphere. private institutions can be as religious as they want but government shouldn't be.




Turn that around buddy. The minority rule shouldn't be at the expense of a majority.


and it's insane to say that removing god from money is oppressive unless your religion dictates that god should be forced down everyone's throat.



But IS everyone happy? Or...... are you?


well... the CONSTITUTION would be happy.... it would be happy if it were a robot programmed to feel happiness when it was being followed



.....In your opinion, in my opinion it is just anther form of oppression -- the oppression of secularism.


secularism protects EVERYONE. every religion and everyone that has none is protected



Because atheist demand secular dollars. Hmmm. Or at least .001% of atheist do, the rest could give a damn.


no, we all do give a damn, the rest are just too *$%ing afraid to step out because of the hostile climate towards us.... did you know that less than half the population would vote for a qualified atheist candidate?



Links?


...why do i have to link to census data? it's CENSUS data, it's not like i'm talking about some university study, it's government compiled data.


...
49% has no right to oppress the 51%..

1% does not have the right to oppress 99%

And hell, .1% has NO right to oppress 99.9% of the people.


and it's insane to say secularism is oppressive.



In the quest of secularism the rights of those forsaken are just as often overlooked then those of the society that they turn from..

The oppressed become the oppressors. Where is the line drawn?


but it's NOT OPPRESSIVE. not mentioning your deity on money isn't oppressing you. saying in god WE trust is oppressive. because WE implies that it's ALL of us.



In your opinion.

Show me in the constitution where it even hints that a government cannot even utter the word God.


see the first amendment. no law regarding the establishment of religion etc
then see all the supreme court rulings on it (especially everson v board)




Socialistic / communist states are, yes.
Not all neo-cons???? Whats this???


just because they follow ECONOMIC leftism doesn't mean they're left



Stalinism and Maoism just because they where TOTALITARIAN does NOT MEAN that they where ultra right...


SOCIALLY they were.




Ohh do explain.

Is the war in Iraq a religious war?


no, but it is based around IN GROUP mentality. i never said religion was the sole cause of war but i did say it helped.



Very true, only societies where religion is oppressed through brutality.

You will never truly take God from any people, any where, at any time.


sweden



Religions endure everything but time.


religions endure everything but knowledge too



Wrong.

Your point is bunk in this light:

Organized religions and organized theologies is what brings about such atrocities ..... not religion its self.


it's still the religion.





Whos stopping you?


i'm bringing it up, it's called being clever and coy.



Ehhhhh its an example of failed secularism, trying to hide what you are to save peoples sensitive feelings. Entirely on topic.


you're right. religion should stop hiding what it is, the most powerful force for ignorance in the world.



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