OMg.. let me sort through that complete bin of ... less then fine response.
According to you... Russia "going backwards" from "democracy" is going to make Russia sell crap to Iran? And that is going to ... affect us, the
US, somehow because.... Russia sees them as an .. "ally" .. right..
America and Russia are not friends. They where not friends before WWII .. they where not friends after WWII .. they where not friends any time before
the 20th century either, and they where not friends after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
What you saw was the Soviet Union weakened,
financially, a mini revolution took place.. America then began a campaign of exploitation of the Russian resources. Meanwhile, still reaping the
rewards of "assisting" in oil exploration and extraction, we go to say.. Lithuania and call their leader a dictator.. constantly tell Putin he needs
to change to be er.. "Better" and um.. more "civilized" as you put it, you know, like Brits and Americans.
Further more you make the assumption that if Russia was "democratic" they would not be an "enemy" .. which is the most ignorant concept I have
Why don't democratic nations fight one another?
Because America either built them, protect them, suppress them, or occupy them.
Does Putin taking control and becoming ... er... "uncivilized" mean that Putin will then hate America because he has power? ... More like America
will hate Putin for taking control of resources that we at one point where supposed to be getting payments for. Putin does not fear America. He is
converting oil and gas sales to the Rubble, to make it a tradable currency.. he has defied America in the UN repeatedly.. he has insulted the
administration many time publicly.. what does America do? Can't invade them, so we go to former "allies" and insult them back. Go Cheney, be the
Another thing to realize is Russia has NO allies. Not one. China? HA .. they do military exercises because they BOTH need to test their equipment,
but in reality Russia think China is scum, and China thinks Russia scum. They never have been and never will be allies. Russia has the old soviet
bloc, well.. what hasn't become "civilized" and converted to "western ways of life i.e. imported a McDonalds, but they are not allies, mere
Russia cares absolutely nothing about Iran. Iran buys their weapons, but so does everyone else. Even Israel uses Russian equipment, terrorist use
their equipment, China, many European states, and given the chance Americans have been known to abandon M16's for Ak47's .. Russia would love to
provoke America into a war.. a proxy war, and care little when Iranians are mowed down. Russia was selling Iraq night vision equipment in the weeks
before the Iraq war... did Russia invade because they couldn't sell goggles anymore? No... because they still buy them..
Democracy has absolutely nothing to do with this.. its about national interest. Had Britain different opinions on the war then America they wouldn't
have supported it either... but the Euro was held back because of the war, and thus Britain benefits, that’s enough for them so they support it.
France, Germany.. strong opponents. Why? Because they lost a lot of contracts from the oil... and they won't get them back either because America
declared them VOID ... you honestly think France and Germany care about "civilians" ... I do believe 2 years ago the French president said to the
international community that any "terrorist act against France on French soil" will be met with "a nuclear response" .. sounds like a lot of
"civilians caring" .. like wise for Germany, they could give a crap about Iraqi's, they want the money. We want the money, Britain want the money,
every one wants the money.. its about STRENGTH and the ability (and the balls) to do something about it. Russia has the strength to say NO and fuel
the American casualties because we can't do a damn thing about it.. France did the same thing .. whined... said no... we laughed and boycotted them
leading to economic "troubles" for them, they then backed off and shut their mouth like a good little boys should. 2 democratic "civilized"
people.. America vrs France and we won because we COULD....
It does NOT matter what the form of government is - democracies tend to be weaker - its still "The man with the biggest stick wins" Russia happens
to have a big stick, and can poke us from a distance. Sure is annoying, but what can we do? Boycott? They don't export.. to us.. do you see Europe
boycotting Russia? HA .. sure.. and freeze in the winter because they have no gas, unless they want to pay very high prices from the ME if Russia
cuts the supply.
Russia can't go to war.. they don't have that ability.. but they can't be invaded either.. and Putin won't be pushed around by outside bullies..
so we can't influence the people.. so Putin exports the war through other people.. in the next case it will be Iran.. after that God only knows who..
Russia needs to be respected, regardless if you think any form of government is "uncivilized" if it isn't democratic..
I see the return of the Russian Czar with Putin.. it won't be good for western interest.. it might be good for the people.. as long as they stay away
from Communism.. an absolute monarchy is a powerful thing if a nation like Russia is behind it. Democracy is only 200 some years old ("western
version of it") and has only proved that a free competing industry can produce war efficiently and profit from it.. but it is still young, Monarchy
is tens of thousands years old in various forms, proved it's self well if led by a good leader. Don't generalize a nations strength or
international stance based on the type of government or economical institutions they implement.. it always comes down to NECESSITIES and self
interest, achieved through intimidation, exploitation, abuse, cruelty and war.
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