Originally posted by Darkpr0

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
The Mig29 is still the best interceptor craft.

Now, while I have a severe Russian bias, I gotta say: No. The MiG-29 is a good aircraft (and the MiG-35 is absolutely incredible showing off maneuvers), and I won't disagree with that. But saying that it is the best interceptor is quite a stretch. The MiG-29 is, to my knowledge, more made for air superiority... During the Cold War. If you want to say that a Russian aircraft is the ultimate interceptor, talk about the Su-35 or Su-37.

Actually I would think that the MiG-29 wouldn't be terribly inferior to the Su-27 all consisdered(I'm talking peak of the CW around late 80s)

Originally posted by waynos
Could you find the original for me Pistonzor? I've tried but I can't. I searched for 'American Boeing 767' and 'AA Boeing 767' and also '767 flameout' but without any luck.

Thanks if you can help.

I am truly aghast! For someone of Waynos' undoubted aerial nous, he can't tell his 6's from his 7's! Have a look for a 777 pic instead.

here is the orginal! sorry for the bad post

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I think this thread is the best place to put this recent discovery.

It is a mach 7 scramjet powered twin fuselage SST, which is a fabulous enough concept on its own. Remarkably however it is from as far back as 1961! It was conceived by Ralph Hooper of Bristol (the blokes who built Concorde and who now build wings for Airbus) and was part of an effort to develop what we would now call a Scramjet (but it wasn't then) at that time. It is remarkable how advanced so many concepts were from so long ago that they are still amazing (and unachieved) almost half a century later. I'm not sure about those horn balances though.



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The air inlets is the only point which is attractive to me, I'd like to see the 3 views of this concept.

Those were some pretty interesting prototype aircraft, especially the concepts that Nasa had came up with, wonder what they've been up to now with the technology being years beyond what we've been seeing now!!

Originally posted by waynos
I think this thread is the best place to put this recent discovery.

Now there is a remarkable understatement.

Originally posted by waynosIt is remarkable how advanced so many concepts were from so long ago that they are still amazing (and unachieved) almost half a century later. .

No, what is remarkable is that you keep managing to pull these gems out of the bag. What have you done, invent a time machine place these ideas in the past, and now you have set yourself up as a historian of British aerospace engineering? (that would be the definition of self fullfilling prophecy would't it?)

Once again nice find

LEE.

Originally posted by thebozeian

No, what is remarkable is that you keep managing to pull these gems out of the bag. What have you done, invent a time machine place these ideas in the past, and now you have set yourself up as a historian of British aerospace engineering? (that would be the definition of self fullfilling prophecy would't it?)

Well, he does have a tardis in his profile

Yes I didn't even think about the TARDIS when I wrote that
That twin fuselage Bristol concept would have had some frighteningly complex aerodynamics. In particular around those nose cones at transonic/supersonic speeds. I would think they could impact on engine intake operation. Imagine ingesting "dirty" airflow at high speed that resulted in flame out on the engines on one side. It would give a new and interesting definition of asymmetric flight, not to mention an interesting experience for the flight crew.

LEE.

Very interesting, waynos.

Do you have any information as to why the illustration bears RAF roundels?

Seems a little odd for a SST to be drawn with service markings.

The Winged Wombat

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Thats the thing that struck me Wombat, the RAF markings. The only reference in the entire piece to the RAF states that government support in the form of an order for the RAF is essential to allow the programme to reach a point where commercial success could be achieved, but there is no mention of role this might be in.

Interestingly it also warns that 'success on the scale of the Viscount is unlikely as that aircraft had no competition'. At this time it was really believed that high speed SST's would be commonplace by the mid 1970's.

edit;

I also found these images from Jan 1960 showing the Vickers Swallow. This is a completely separate programme but was proposed to the RAF as a V bomber replacement (the tail cone was an aft firing nuclear weapon to allow weapons release while moving away from the target) and also as a mach 3 cruising SST. Maybe the Bristol design was offered for the same role?



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Originally posted by thebozeian
Hmmm, Ill see you hundred and raise you!

Can someone get me some dip for my giant Dorito?

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What is the name of that ufo inspired Air Force Jet

Its the A-12 Avenger II, it was being developed for the USN, not the USAF, but it was axed, unflown, and they got the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet instead. Here's some model images that help to illustrate it;







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