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Dead Russian reporter was investigating arms sales to Iran, Syria

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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 05:47 AM
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Dead Russian reporter was investigating arms sales to Iran, Syria


rawstory.com

A Russian reporter who died after falling out of a window was investigating sales of weapons by Russia to Syria and Iran, his newspaper Kommersant said Tuesday.

Ivan Safronov had told his newspaper that he had "received information" about the sale of Sukhoi-34 fighter jets to Syria and S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran via Belarus.

"From what we know already it is clear it was not suicide," the union's Secretary General Igor Yakovenko told Moscow Echo radio.
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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 05:47 AM
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Looks like the Russian government is doing a lot of clean ups lately. President Putin - former KGB agent - sure has lots of blood on his hands, since just about anybody, who wants to speak against Russia, either about Chechnya, about weapon sales, ends up dead sooner or later. Same thing happened to Anna Politkovskaya - a journalist and a constant critic of Kremlin's Dirty War in Chechnya. But the problem is, that with every dead repoter, former spy or intelligence chief, the only thing it happens is, that it throws more suspicion on the security services and the pro-Moscow regime in Chechnya and the current Russian government.

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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 06:50 AM
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Good find, Souljah.
The housecleaning continues in Russia.


Originally posted by Souljah
But the problem is, that with every dead repoter, former spy or intelligence chief, the only thing it happens is, that it throws more suspicion on the security services and the pro-Moscow regime in Chechnya and the current Russian government.

And this is all that will ever happen in Russia, I'm afraid.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The housecleaning continues in Russia.

Just proves that current Russian government is kind of doing business Mafia style.



And this is all that will ever happen in Russia, I'm afraid.

Sadly, I have the same feeling too...



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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Whats the US going to do about Russia supporting middle east countries? Those weapons are aimed at our boys! Besides the fact they want to make some money on the war, how is this really affecting US - Russian stances towards one another?



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:21 AM
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Hmm...the usual russian thuggery@work.it seems that the soviet collapse hasnt changed their buisness as usual assasinations.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Here Now
Whats the US going to do about Russia supporting middle east countries? Those weapons are aimed at our boys! Besides the fact they want to make some money on the war, how is this really affecting US - Russian stances towards one another?

The US will no nothing, unless the weapons are found in Iraq. And then they will make a formal protest, which Russia will deny, This has been the modus operandi for decades. Nothing will be done, because the UN is toothless, and France, China, and Germany, who are the only other "players", will remain silent.

The US will do what it has to do to stop these weapons shipments to terrorists, and in return the US will be condemned by the rest of the world.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:58 AM
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Why do I have the feeling that this arms trades are kind of "allowed"?

I mean Putin and Bush are very good friends (or at least they look that way).

It is not like cold war all over again.

Or is it?



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:05 AM
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The death is troubling, but frankly, Russia can sell whatever the hell it wants to Iran and Syria, they're under no obligation to cater to the US's every whim. Kinda doesn't seem like there is much basis to kill anyone over, since Russia has been quite open about it's arms sales to both countries.

I'm still curious about whether the Iranians have the S-300 or not, there seems to be a lot of contradictory information on that.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by xmotex
The death is troubling, but frankly, Russia can sell whatever the hell it wants to Iran and Syria, they're under no obligation to cater to the US's every whim.

I agree with you - Russia sell whatever the hell it wants to.

But the problem is, why they killed this reporter?

OK - I mean sell the stuff, but why keep it quiet?

Only if they sold something More then just airplanes and anti-aircraft systems...



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Xfile
Hmm...the usual russian thuggery@work.it seems that the soviet collapse hasnt changed their buisness as usual assasinations.



You are right - there is a clean-up going on. Putin is trying to remove the power of the oligarchy and wrestle control back. When the Soviet Union collapsed these thieving Zionists bought up the country for next to nothing.

This is a smear compaign against Putin. These 'criminals' are all hiding out in Israel which oerates as a safe haven.


"Since the end of the Gorbachev era, the Russian oligarchs, nearly all Jewish by ethnicity (with the noticeable exception of Vladimir Potanin), have controlled nearly all key sectors of the Russian economy. This, of course, includes Russia’s major ace-in-the-hole, oil and gas. The giant Yukos conglomerate is presently one of the largest oil companies in the world, valued at about $40 billion. Yukos is the result of a "loans for shares" deal brokered through the semi-coherent Boris Yeltsin in 1995. Here, the liberal Russian government swapped loyalty from the oligarchs in exchange for privatization at prices far below that of the market. This $40 billion giant was bought for about $300 million, thus looting the entire Russian economy for the benefit of a handful of Israeli citizens living in Russia." (M. Raphael Johnson ‘Countdown to Armageddon? Are the Israelis willing to start World War III?’ American Free Press www.americanfreepress.net...



In 2003, one commentator estimated that their control over the russian economy had increased to 85%. "In Russia today, just a handful of oligarchs control 85 percent of the value of the country's leading private companies. And with their multibillion-dollar fortunes, they are joining the top ranks of the world's wealthiest people." (Kelly Whalen Frontline World www.pbs.org... October 28 2003).


Original Source

Maybe the citizens of the USA should take note of what is going on here and recognize that your country has been hijacked too.

The original source contains a lot of very interesting information including the connection to the United States.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Why do I have the feeling that this arms trades are kind of "allowed"?

I mean Putin and Bush are very good friends (or at least they look that way).

It is not like cold war all over again.

Or is it?


Being allowed?...

The U.S. administration has issued protests and demanded explanation from the Russian government for example because the U.S. administration found evidence that the Russian government was giving intelligence to the regime of Saddam about U.S. troop movement. Of course the Russian government denied it.

I would like to know exactly whether there are people who think the U.S. government should "declare war" aginast countries like Russia and others, Russia is not alone in doing this....

But then again some of these same people, some who happen to be in these same forums, would claim the United States is at it again and trying to exert control over other countries....

The same old case of "damn if you do, damn if you don't"....

This thread is about something the Russian goversment has been doing to make money, and attack indireclty the United States, and the attempt by some members to "implicate the United States" on this, when the United States has gone against the wishes of the Russian government time and again, is preposterous....

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
The U.S. administration has issued protests and demanded explanation from the Russian government for example because the U.S. administration found evidence that the Russian government was giving intelligence to the regime of Saddam about U.S. troop movement. Of course the Russian government denied it.

As if US government has not done the same in the past - like for example in Afganistan...



I would like to know exactly whether there are people who think the U.S. government should "declare war" aginast countries like Russia and others, Russia is not alone in doing this....

What about certain weapon sales to Taiwan, which do not exactly make China happy?



But then again some of these same people, some who happen to be in these same forums, would claim the United States is at it again and trying to exert control over other countries....

Actually United States just want "Democratic", "Free" and "Business Friendly" Nations if I understand correctly; first comes McDonnell Douglas and then comes McDonalds.



The same old case of "damn if you do, damn if you don't"....

If you say so.



This thread is about something the Russian goversment has been doing to make money, and attack indireclty the United States, and the attempt by some members to "implicate the United States" on this, when the United States has gone against the wishes of the Russian government time and again, is preposterous....

Again - remember Afganistan in 80's?

[edit on 7/3/07 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 01:33 PM
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Why everyone in Russia is terrified of Vladimir Putin

Some are now calling him the worlds most powerful MobBoss.

1. He took a page from Hitler who blamed Communist for a fire his people started. Many believe he was behind several bombing of apartment buildings in Moscow to blame Chechen seperatist (300 died).

2. He had Galina Starovoitova killed. Whe was an outspoken member of Duma who investigated Putin on corruption charges before he became president in 98. She was shot 3 times after leaving her apartment

web.amnesty.org...

3. Yuri Shchekochikhin and Sergey Yushenkov were killed for investigating the FSB's (Federal Security Service-Domestic-Think FBI) role in the Moscow apartment bombings.

www.guardian.co.uk...

news.bbc.co.uk...

4. Anna Polikovskaya a well respected Russian journalist who made a career out investigating Putins tactics in their war with Chechnya. Was shot dead in elevator of her Moscow apartment.

pej.org

5. The failed executions of Viktor Yushchenko who poisoning left him facially scared. He was campaigning versus a Putin backed opponent.

www.cnn.com...

6. 10 Members of Russian Parliament who refused to toe party line. One an Anonymous source said, "Amagine the FBI killing Congressmen".

7. I sure we all have heard of the death of Alexander Litvinenko former Russian spy who wrote a book about Putin. He was posioned with the radioactive element polonium-210. He died three weeks later. It all happened on British soil.

www.thefirstpost.co.uk...

www.slate.com...

Here's an intersting article on the mysterious death of opponets of Putin from the New Yorker:

www.newyorker.com...


You can find more about what is going on over in Russian on my thread

www.abovepolitics.com...


Mod Edit: Link format edited. Please review this post.

[edit on 7-3-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

As if US government has not done the same in the past - like for example in Afganistan...


and exactly how does that help corroborate your claim that the United States is in cahoots with the Russian government?... Let me help you with that... it does not corroborate your claim...



Originally posted by Souljah

What about certain weapon sales to Taiwan, which do not exactly make China happy?


Is Taiwan attacking China?.... The people of Taiwan want to be free from the Chinese government... It is the Chinese govenrment who states they will go to war if the people of Taiwan write a Constitution and officially state they are a free country...

Wow Souljah...that really helps your claims huh?...


[edit on 7-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 02:31 PM
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Is Taiwan attacking China?..


Is Iran attacking the US?

As far as Taiwanese independence, I assume if Texas chooses to secede from the US, you will support it?



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

Is Iran attacking the US?


Yes, Iran is sending troops and supporting/sponsoring terrorists to kill U.S. troops, but I guess that is not "attacking America" according to some.


Originally posted by xmotex
As far as Taiwanese independence, I assume if Texas chooses to secede from the US, you will support it?


First, is Texas asking to secede from the U.S.?... if it is not, and we all know the anwser to that, then you are just throwing in a strawman argument and trying to derail the thread.

Second, if the State of Texas and a mayority of Texans wanted to secede, you actually think the U.S. government will declare an all out war?... If you do think so, then it is your claim and assumption, but it is in no way the truth on what would happen if the state of Texas wanted to secede from the U.S. Again, this takes us back to the fact that such a statement is just a strawman's argument and you are just trying to derail the thread.

Third, since the above two points are based on the discussion of "a strawman argument not based on any facts", we all know Texas is not trying to secede, hence bringing this up does nothing more than try to derail the thread with the assumptions and claims some want to make as to an event we can't predict, and would only succed in derailing the thread indefinetely since everyone would have a different opinion...

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Yes, Iran is sending troops and supporting/sponsoring terrorists to kill U.S. troops, but I guess that is not "attacking America" according to some.


And the US is funding terrorist groups in Iran. There's fun to be had all around. Still, there is no current state of war between the US and Iran.


Second, if the State of Texas and a mayority of Texans wanted to secede, you actually think the U.S. government will declare an all out war?...


Err, crack open a history book and read about what happened the last time some states tried to secede...



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

And the US is funding terrorist groups in Iran. There's fun to be had all around. Still, there is no current state of war between the US and Iran.


Oh, isee... so the students in Iran who are protesting without setting off bombs everyday in Iranian cities are "terrorists"?... again, another strawman's argument....


Originally posted by xmotex
Err, crack open a history book and read about what happened the last time some states tried to secede...


Errr... the american Civil war happened almost 150 years ago...quite a few things have changed since then..... Again, another strawman's argument....



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Oh, isee... so the students in Iran who are protesting without setting off bombs everyday in Iranian cities are "terrorists"?... again, another strawman's argument....


I'm not talking about nonviolent student protests, but about terrorist groups who are in fact setting off bombs and killing civilians - read.


Errr... the american Civil war happened almost 150 years ago...quite a few things have changed since then..... Again, another strawman's argument....


It's the only case of secession in US history, and it wasn't met with flowers.
Though to be fair, the situation with Taiwan is quite a bit different. Taiwan is a case where the losing side in a civil war took over an island and for decades claimed to be the legitimate government of all of China.

Nor is independence a universally desired option in Taiwan, it's proven to be the most contentious issues in Taiwanese politics.



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