Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Sure the victim may not have died but in many ways death is infinitly more desireable than the lifetime of recovery ahead. Many victims become addicts, prostitutes, porn "actors", they cant have a normal life with normal relationships they are lucky to adapt at all.

Granted some break free and become quite empowered and independent but their life as it was is over.

I guess my brother is the exception. He was molested by my great uncle as a child. Today he has 3 boys of his own, works at a prison as a guard and is pretty normal (except for the first gulf war trauma he has).

Some 40 year old guy rapes a 9 year old he deserves to die. IMHO.

Death is too easy for these people (repeat offenders). I say castrate them.

Castration seems like a reasonable solution. It would prevent further attacks, which is what the justice system is meant to do. That is why killers are put to death, to prevent them from killing again, not for punishment or as a deterrent.

this should have been done a long time ago . that's the one thing that enrages me more than anything . people who take sexual advantage of a child . there's something wrong with a country that gives more prison time for simple drug posession than child molestation or child rape . hell , give
me the iv or a gun and ill carry it out myself .
there are too many willing sex partners in this world for some @$^&$*(
to rape a child . just m2c .

I would say castration is a good start but I would prefer if they just hacked off the whole thing.

This is all I'm hearing. People wanting to be violent for violence's sake. I agree child rape is a horrible thing, but it's also a compulsion that can be controlled through the proper means, i.e. castration.

What will killing the person accomplish that castrating them won't?

I think the death penalty for repeat offenders is the right thing to do.

But i do wonder what is the difference between the fist time you do it and the next time. ?

And what of those who have committed numerous crimes but have only been convicted once on those crimes, is the law saying if we catch you twice you get death or if you have committed the same offence more than once you get the death penalty regardles of wether you are apprehended once or twice. ?

Theres also the question of wether the death penalty might make the situation worst rather than stop them committing this awful crime, for instance instead of leaving their victims alive they may opt to kill them
after all it will take a while to find the body and while the investigation is being carried out with no witnesses the perpetrator can be out of the coutry and far away, causing the parents of the child to suffer a double blow. and there is nothing to say that they will stop their activities on account of the law, after all the law must catch them first.

Although it seems like the best thing to do we'll have to watch the affect of this new law as i feel child molestation will almost certainly mean that child will also have their lives taken.

personally I have no problem with revenge when it is in the right context..

Molesters do far worse than killing a child. They just about take their souls. The children are forever ed up. Many who were abused turn and abuse the next generation. The link in the chain must be broken some how.

Originally posted by Royal76
Many who were abused turn and abuse the next generation. The link in the chain must be broken some how.

I'd like to see the stats on this please. Not just a convicted molester saying he /she was molested as a child as an excuse.

So to resolve this problem, we are just going to kill them all? And what? Create a superior race? ...Sound familiar?

Originally posted by lombozo
Chissler - C'mon my friend. Pedophilia is something that cannot be defended.

Remember, for the sake of discussion.

And yes, I am prepared to defend it. But anyone who takes two seconds to look into my post history, will know that this stance is for the sake of discussion.

Originally posted by lombozo
Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is like comparing an apple to a pumpkin.

Actually it is not. It used to be considered "sexually deviant" to participate in homosexual activities. We righted them wrongs. Today, most people, accept that it is perfectly natural for individuals of the same sex to participate in sexual activities. Now, I am not saying that it is perfectly natural for an adult to have sex with a child. Not in any way, shame or form. Please reread that sentence, I am not condoning this. However, we need to understand that this could certainly be an innate behaviour that the individual was born with. Yes they are stealing the innocence of the child and probably causing them more harm than any of us can imagine. However, we assume that the pedophile is out to cause harm, or is even aware of what he or she is doing. They may be participating in these activities, just as if you or I would participate in activities with our loved ones. If this is the case, they certainly should not be executed. Grant it, the innocence of a child is something I am prepared to lay my life down for, so we can not allow these individuals to simply wander the streets. So it be necessary to implement some sort of system, but a system that does not entail execution.

If thirty, forty years ago, we looked at homosexuals as "creatures", who is to say that in another thirty, or forty years, we would not look at pedophiles as "creatures". The comparison is applicable, because we view pedophilia today, as we viewed homosexuality yesterday.

Years ago a lot of people would of advocated the public persecution of homosexuality. Today, people openly advocate the public persecution of pedophilia.

Originally posted by lombozo
You're right about the persecution that homosexuals had to endure, and to a degree, still do. That's irrefutable. However, homosexuals are consenting sexual partners.

Consent is the crux of this issue. And culpability is something we can not overlook. By law, the child can not consent to sex. I agree with this and would fight for it. However, culpability is something that we can only presume. There are a large percentage of pedophiles that may be out to exploit children, and should be persecuted for this. By execution? No. But to the fullest extent of the law, aside from capital punishment. In the same breath, there are pedophiles that may have a genuine love for a child, as others have a genuine love for males, females, etc.

Alls that I am saying is they may not be out to exploit the child, any more than I, or you, exploits our partner. Grant it, exploitation does exist and is punishable by law, which I do support. But we can only presume the culpability on the matter. Even though they are guilty, there may be no intent to actually inflict harm. With that in mind, this is why I do not support the overt persecution of pedophilia. Persecution is not the answer to the problem. We need to take a holistic approach to the matter, and really try to understand the psyche of a pedophile.

Originally posted by lombozo
Pedophilia? Someone is taking the innocence of a child. I am a father of a toddler, and I see on a daily basis exactly how innocent little ones are. True wonder, amazement, and curiosity are commonplace about everything. I've read stories of children younger than mine who have been molested. Sorry Chiss, but I could not disagree with you any more than I do on this.
I know that you are not a proponent of the death penalty, and you know that I am. I think that this impending law is a good one

Like I've said, I think the problem exists on how society views pedophilia. Rather than a crime, it should be a disease. We once viewed homosexuality as a disease, today we understand it as a natural sexual preference. Well, having sex with kids is never going to be natural. I understand that. So we are never going to condone this, or permit it. But what we can do is take these individuals who were born with this, and try to help them understand why it is, the way they are.

They need help. A bullet is not the answer.

Very sensitive subject, I hope I have not offended anyone. Like I've said, while I agree with much that I say, I say this to participate in a constructive conversation. Do not assume anything of me, just engage me on the conversation itself.

Lombozo, my friend, thank you for the response. Thank you for understanding my position, and the reasoning for making this stance.

Here's to a great discussion.

Chissler, as always you lay out your arguments in a clear, concise, professional manner. (Even if they are misguided )
I do disagree with you with all my being, and I would welcome the opportunity to debate you my good man.

Stay cool Dude, and I throw my gauntlet at your feet.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
With a state like Texas this law is sure to be enforced regularly. We all know how Texas is with killing people.

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Rasobasi420]

Uh,your point being? Yeah,I'm from Texas.. By the way, what exactly do you know about Texas that qualifies you to make a statement like "a state like Texas?" Hmmm..

[edit on 7-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Sexual abuse of a child should be cause for capital escalation in a murder trial. That is the primary charge must be the murder of a child under the age of 14, and if that child were raped or sodomized then the prosecutor may seek the death penalty.

Without murder the death penalty can't be justified. First offense mandatory 10 years with possible parole at 5. Life imprisonment for the second offense with parole at 30. Parole duration should equal time served and make current sex offender ordinances look like a weekend at Neverland Ranch.

This is the best news I've heard all day. Should of been this way from the beginning. I pray it passes. I hope it passes. If we start excuting these people they will stop doing this to our children.

I sure hope it gets passed...I fully support it

SoT, I was just pointing out that Texas has a higher execution rate than any other state, and that they are less likely to pardon people on death row.

I don't see what you're arguing with. Facts are facts.