Repeat?

Nah!!! FIRST TIME sex offenders should be put away forever.

This ought to put the lid on this little problem- would be offenders would have to think twice about it. If they're in their right mind, they wont do it.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Repeat?

Nah!!! FIRST TIME sex offenders should be put away forever.

This ought to put the lid on this little problem- would be offenders would have to think twice about it. If they're in their right mind, they wont do it.

Although I would be inclined to agree, you must bear in mind that some first timers may not be guilty. All you need is a confused kid to touch a doll in the wrong place on a witness stand and it's "good night irene."
However, a two timer is almost certainly not an "unlucky lottery" winner. Think about it, if you were wrongfully convicted of sexual abuse you wouldn't go within a hundred feet of a kid again.

Of course, even being sentenced wrongfully for child abuse for a year would certainly get you a few hundred undesired proctology exams, that is if it doesn't get you killed outright. And in the process you'd probably get aids. Let's just say I've heard things.

A. In prison child molesters are known as "tree jumpers" and the guards WILL announce when a tree jumper has entered general population, and no, you can't go tell the guards which big man was mean to you.
B. AIDS is running rampant in our prison systems.

Actually, because of the possibility of being wrongfully accused I avoid children like they have ebola.
"Hey, could you watch my kid for a minute whi..."

"no"

being a Father I agree that sex offenders just need to be kulled from the heard fast. I also agree that there is a chance that someone could have made an honest mestake or that a child is confused and that the person can be rehabilitated. But for those out there that prey on our children I think that they need to be put down like the sick dogs they are...

my 2c

For the sake of discussion, I will make this stance. Try not to make any judgments on my character, because my ultimate goal here is to have a discussion on the matter.

It was not that long ago that homosexuality was considered a disease. For a long time, all of homosexuality was taboo and it was something that should be diagnosed by a physician really. ...How silly is that. Now when we look at Pedophilia, we quickly assume they are a criminal and deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Well what if in ten, twenty, thirty years we look at pedophilia as an actual disease? It is my opinion that our sexual preference is genetically determined at birth. Some heterosexuals will disagree with this, but I think that stance is slightly hypocritical. I did not "choose" to like women, just as other men did not "choose" to like other men. It is an innate behaviour that we have no control over. Unfortunately, we are who we are.

As for adults that get their jollies off of little kids, what do we do? Capital punishment? I would disagree 100%. Incarceration? If need be, I would accept it I guess. My problem is, I see this as something that can be treated, even though their is a very low success rate for convicted sex offenders. So yeah, I think they should be punished rather harshly, but I do disagree with capital punishment.

Again, our sexual preference is something we are born with. We assume that our options were men or women. Well what if children is an option in this determination of who we are? What if some babies are born, with an innate tendency, to prefer children sexually? If I did not choose to "prefer" women, who is to say that they consciously choose to "prefer" children.

In the long run, what the hell is the incentive? I think the argument can be made that this is an innate tendency. Maybe if we begin to look at this under the right light, we could begin to make progress to successfully "convert" these individuals.

Capital punishment though? Not a chance.

We need to think with our heads, not our hearts.

It is the "Justice System". Not revenge, vengeance, or any other of those terms. "Justice!"

Sunset,

Of course i meant with good evidence and not just hearsay. I too beleive that lots of kids if asked if they were touched would say yes or nod. There has to be concrete proof and evidence, none of it circumstancial.

Chissler - C'mon my friend. Pedophilia is something that cannot be defended. Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is like comparing an apple to a pumpkin. You're right about the persecution that homosexuals had to endure, and to a degree, still do. That's irrefutable. However, homosexuals are consenting sexual partners.

Pedophilia? Someone is taking the innocence of a child. I am a father of a toddler, and I see on a daily basis exactly how innocent little ones are. True wonder, amazement, and curiosity are commonplace about everything. I've read stories of children younger than mine who have been molested. Sorry Chiss, but I could not disagree with you any more than I do on this.
I know that you are not a proponent of the death penalty, and you know that I am. I think that this impending law is a good one

The death penalty is more expenstive than housing these criminals. I suggest we "reprogram" these individuals and make them into indentured servants....but that is just a suggestion.

Totally. Show me one cured pedophile.

We have to be careful though. I recall a story about a 18 year old who now lives as a sex ofender because his girlfriend was 15. I think an 18 year old with a 15 year old is pretty sketchy but it hardly qualifies for a death sentence.

Punishment like this requires some seriously thourough legislation.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Totally. Show me one cured pedophile.

We have to be careful though. I recall a story about a 18 year old who now lives as a sex ofender because his girlfriend was 15. I think an 18 year old with a 15 year old is pretty sketchy but it hardly qualifies for a death sentence.

Punishment like this requires some seriously thourough legislation.

Agreed ThisGuy. The statutory rape you described above is sketchy at best, but when you have an adult who targets grade school children.....

I'll be happy to be the one to conduct the execution.

Maybe a lobotomy can cure this "disease" ( funny, how everything that used to make one a degenerate is now an illness).

An illness without a cure- uncurable. For heavens sakes, look at all the adult males seemingly intelligent married professionals going after little kids on the internet

Go get yourselves some sheep or something for diversion.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Maybe a lobotomy can cure this "disease" ( funny, how everything that used to make one a degenerate is now an illness).

An illness without a cure- uncurable. For heavens sakes, look at all the adult males seemingly intelligent married professionals going after little kids on the internet

Go get yourselves some sheep or something for diversion.

Yep a lobotomy using a shotgun would fix the problem I would think.

This is a much more common problem than I had originally thought. That show "To Catch A Predator" exposes just how widespread this really is, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Gotta get them off the streets for good.

And hey - the sheep idea is a good one. Some of those sheep are pretyy hot.

Does no one have a problem with the death penalty being enforced for a crime in which the victim(s) did not die?

I think the death penalty is wrong to begin with, but when no one dies in the first place, how can this possibly be an "eye for an eye" situation? This seems more like revenge. Extended sentences seems fair, but death is way too extreme.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Does no one have a problem with the death penalty being enforced for a crime in which the victim(s) did not die?

I think the death penalty is wrong to begin with, but when no one dies in the first place, how can this possibly be an "eye for an eye" situation? This seems more like revenge. Extended sentences seems fair, but death is way too extreme.

Sure the victim may not have died but in many ways death is infinitly more desireable than the lifetime of recovery ahead. Many victims become addicts, prostitutes, porn "actors", they cant have a normal life with normal relationships they are lucky to adapt at all.

Granted some break free and become quite empowered and independent but their life as it was is over.

Some 40 year old guy rapes a 9 year old he deserves to die. IMHO.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Sure the victim may not have died but in many ways death is infinitly more desireable than the lifetime of recovery ahead. Many victims become addicts, prostitutes, porn "actors", they cant have a normal life with normal relationships they are lucky to adapt at all.

Granted some break free and become quite empowered and independent but their life as it was is over.

Some 40 year old guy rapes a 9 year old he deserves to die. IMHO.

I couldn't have said it better.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Many victims become addicts, prostitutes, porn "actors", they cant have a normal life with normal relationships they are lucky to adapt at all.

Bulls***. Most do go on to have a normal life, with normal relationships. They have to work through their issues, but they often do come through okay.

Granted some break free and become quite empowered and independent but their life as it was is over.

You're talking like these people like they're damaged goods. Like they are no longer normal people, and don't deserve to be acknowledged as such.

Besides, child rapists don't do too well in prison anyway. They are usually beaten, if not killed while incarcerated.

Edit: Remember this is a slippery slope. Death for child rape, then for adult rape, then for assault. Keeping in mind how many innocent people face death now, this is very dangerous ground.

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I think we need to remember that this is not about killing a first time convicted offender, this is towards people who have repeated this discusting act... also in my understanding there is a seperation between what is a pedophile and a child molester.. a pedophile is dispossitioned to primarily or exclusively have sexual relations with a child, and a child molester is a person who has had sexual relations with a child without a primary sexual attraction to a child...
To me a child molester may be able to be rehabilitated, but I do not believe that a pedophile can be.
In the case of a solo incident where a person molests a child, give them a chance for rehabilitation but if they repeat than this should be an instant sentence of death... to me these people have lost their humanity and become like the animals (or even worse) and we do not hesitate to kill an animal which has attacked or killed a human.
I am not sure about the states but here in Canada a person can be legally termed a 'dangerous offender' which allows us to incarcerate that particular person indefinetly no matter how long they were sentenced to.. but I for one am a preponent to the death penalty.

It's important to understand that this applies only to Repeat offenders. Also, this law doesn't necessarily make it applicable in all cases. All it states is that a Repeat offender is Eligible for the death penalty. While the law may be somewhat draconian, I cannot say that it is undeserving.

With a state like Texas this law is sure to be enforced regularly. We all know how Texas is with killing people. And I'm not saying it's not a heinous crime, just one that isn't necessarily deserving of death. If someone died from injuries inflicted, then I can understand (however still disagree).

Why is life imprisonment not a suitable punishment?

Again, it sounds more like revenge rather than justice.


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