The Truth is a many faced gem-stone. People from all faiths and corners of the earth have striven to speak truth from one of these sides. During the time of Christ, the forces of deception were already preparing a new form of humanity. We must be careful to not throw the baby out with the bath water when there is one aspect of someone’s point of view that we disprove of. It is up to us to find the truth in all endeavors just as there is no excuse to claim that the Bible is perfect (all right or wrong), or that the Koran, or Vedas are infallible, or not. There is no reason to claim that all Freemasonry is evil or that all Catholics are corrupted. But at the same instance we need not be intimidated by those who are too blinded to seek the truth in these matters. We must follow our hearts to the best of our own intentions and ability and that means at times, hurting those sensitive emotions of those whom are in disagreement with us. We have an obligation to speak forcefully enough to ensure that the truth is at least given a chance to be heard. In this time of “freedom, for anything goes”, we also have a time of suppression of truth and morals, and so where we have moved forward in many areas through freedom of will, we have also taken a step backward in other areas. Today is a time unlike any other in history where the ability to speak truthfully and to think without being told “what to think” is in serious jeopardy. We live in a time of great confusion and falsehood that threatens to engulf all of humanity.

From our history we learn things about the church preventing all forms of freedom. They burned people at the stake, torturing those whom they arrogantly claimed to be witches; they threatened innocents with eternal damnation of hell-fire and forced Penance down their throats. They Prevented the printing press to become widespread and did everything in their power to prevent the Bible from being read by men and woman of all nations, the persecution of anyone with Gay tendencies, the attack on all sects of faith that are not in total alignment to the Church’s will. They used black magic of the most horrendous kind to keep down all opposition. Looking into all this suppression, is it not any wonder that today we hear the cries for Gay Rights, the right to be reading Cowley books the right to be sexuality explicit, the notion of organized religion is no longer important. On the surface it would appear that those who stood opposed to the Roman Church are the same people of today who still stand in opposition. It would appear to the unelected, that those who strive for freedom of the will today are in fact the “good guys” and those who suppress the will of another, are the “evil ones”. I will say that on a basic level this may be somewhat the case. The Jesuits do have this main task today and that task has not changed much from the time of the Inquisition – they plan to win back Female Wisdom and female wisdom is the Lucifer impulse that is inside of us all that “suppresses free will”. It is the wisdom that created the Pagan mysteries of yesterday, the forces that brought about the man who incarnated in 2900 BC China and he who brought about the Ying-Yang and Kabala. It is the force that wants this material world to die off so that we may have no more need for anything physical but we shall instead find ourselves floating away into spiritual One-Ness. Oneness is not a new idea, but an OLD REALITY! We started as group souls before but we are not supposed to go backward and the Jesuits want our individual soul development to fail at all costs.

But this wonderful sounding notion of Oneness, attractive sounding as it may be, is lacking in our time and place. It lacks the freedom of individual will – it lacks the freedom to choose to be free to come to know the higher forces which govern us all and bring it forth in a manner which is fully super-conscious. Thus Lucifer’s mission is to remove our ability to see what is logical and he hopes to drag us away into limbo. The Jesuits want to have this female wisdom all for themselves and to enslave all of humanity and the only way for them to achieve this goal is for them to ensure that those who are seeking individuality are wiped off the face of the earth. This individuality is shown in the natures of many of our Prophets of old, it also even shown when Martin Luther opposed the Church in the desire to be free to worship as they call out to the Father.

Having said that, there is this notion of wisdom that permeates within Freemasonry, it is an arrogance that seems to seep into almost every discussion where those non-Christian and Christian Masons adhere to the false belief that International Brotherhood is the best way to solve all pain and suffering in the world. This lack of wisdom on their part to see this agenda by Satan more clearly within modern Freemasonry and within that of the Jesuit orders is not necessarily the fault of only those adherents. Satan opposes Lucifer but today those that follow Lucifer are fooled into accepting Satan. They stick Lucifer in place of Christ, and subsequently, Satan is in Lucifer’s place. This lacking is also seen throughout the whole of Christendom, regardless of whether they are aligned with the church hierarchy or not. This was something deliberately fostered upon us all by those who altered the degrees and rituals long ago – even from long before the time of Pike or back as far as Martin Luther.

But to move ahead we need to look at the Bible itself. The Bible has 4 main books that we should all study at length. We know them as Matt, Mark, Luc and John. God promises to protect his “Word” but not necessarily all the words on any page, or in any book. I can go and alter any text if I chose but that does not signify that the Bible is lying to us. We have many different versions of the Bible and so as you can see, there are some slight changes in grammatical denotation and also interpolations and also some deliberate obfuscation that the early church Fathers were responsible for. I’ll prove it with an example of Jesus being known today as a “Jew”. The word “Jew” never existed in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and Jesus spoke mostly Greek and Aramaic. As you already know the Bible was not originally written in the English language. I cannot stress enough that the Jesuits have been at the forefront of perpetrating this falsehood and not only the Zionists. Dion Fortune, a Christian mystic made this aspect quite clear that the Jews could not alone be the cause of all this evil. And certainly, the confessions of Muslim Brother Leo Zagami have revealed to us that the authors on many of the early books attributed to the Jews today were in fact written by Jesuits – thus they have within the Vatican the knowledge of the Rabbis and much more than that!

First of all, if we go back some 2000 years, there were no Jews. There was a land known as “Judea” and in that land lived many different peoples. We had the Samaritans, the Galileans, the Bedouins, the Greeks, Romans, the Israelite Hebrew speaking people and finally the Essen Nazarenes.

“And we shall call him a Nazarene”, Matt (paraphrasing)

The people of Moses were the Hebrew Israelites – there was no Jew. The Israelite people of Moses had been taken into exile and sadly were barely the same people by the time Jesus came. Jesus Christ was known as Joshua Emmanuel (In Greek) and he was murdered by the Israelites when they tricked the Romans into crucifying him. The event when Jesus was Christ is known to us all today as the “Mystery of Golgotha”. It must be understood that the Satanists and adherents of the various occult orders are some of the first to point out that Jesus was indeed, a Nazarene! They leave us clues that we should look at more closely. We recall how angry the Israelite Sadducees were when Pontus Pilot wrote “king of Judeans” because they saw Jesus as “that man!!” and “that Nazarene!!” The Synagogue of Satan, as it was referred to then, is not much different today. A read through the Soncino Talmud might peak your interest as to whether or not the Priesthood today who are very learned actually see Jesus as a Jew. The people of Moses had strayed so far away from the book of Moses that they were now worshipping an evil God – not a God of love. Now Jesus may have looked like the Israelites of that time, he may have associated with them and he dressed similar but was he actually an Israelite? In no way am I implying that the Jewish people of today who follow the Talmud, Torah or any book are evil but we do need to study these things carefully.

Years later, the translators of the Bible needed to come up with a word for the people of Judea and so they used “Jew” to replace “Judeans”. There is no longer any Judea (as a land) so around the time of Shakespeare; we see the first English translation of the word “Jew”. Today we have the people of the book of Moses and/or the Zohar and Talmud and we refer to them as “Jews” but in reality, there are few Israelites (by blood) today, unless we are referring to the Muslims in that area today. Judaism is not a race – but a religion, although the Rabbis who sit very comfortably with the Monsignors at the center who control Zionism, will tell you the lie that the Jews are a “race”. Yes, today we have an interesting situation where the Zionists (mostly white skinned Jews) claim they are a race and are somehow entitled to Palestine. Many will go so far as to take DNA samples to prove their blood connection to the Israelites but I’d like to ask these people, if they have ever wondered what it means to be called a “Racist”?

Thus Zionism in all its forms is extremely dangerous and today works as the puppet of the Pan-American conspirators. But even though Zionism is very much the enemy of Christianity, there is a more hidden purpose underneath it. Take a look at Russia today and we see an emergence of the Brown Shirts or Leninists. These people are attempting to resurrect a memorial to their fallen hero. In Lublyanskaya Square, right in front of the headquarters of the KGB, the Felix-Dzerzhinsky Memorial! Whereas the followers of Satan and Lucifer want selfishly for man to have what they have without any consequence, where Sorath is concerned, he brings nothing but suffering to man. If these followers of Sorath should have their way and destroy Freemasonry and Zionism in Russia, there will be a blood bath that will be unprecedented in history! These followers of Sorath advocate racial cleansing to this very day and thus Leninism, the child offspring of both Freemasonry and Jesuitism requires both to survive, yet at the same time, threatens to devour them! This part is very important to keep in mind. Thus the Zionists in Russia are preventing this from occurring whilst at the same time, looting the nation and destroying it in every way economically.

We once more have to buy into 2 false choices –either Zionism/Freemasonry or Leninist Communism but the answer is to reject them both.

Dear friends, do we not all hear the cries from the Masons and Jesuits here? Do they not cry out and claim that they are the freedom fighters opposed to Fascism, and that they fought against Hitler etc? Some of them may even imagine that Hitler was a Jesuit and even though he had a likening to Blavatsky, and even though he marched around with a Martin Luther salute, or anti-Catholic Salute, they imagine that he was still aligned with the Jesuits. Indeed, he was! But he was also Freemason! But they do not care to see this truth and would rather only what can be known on the surface.

In 1939, Hitler had no intention of fighting against England, yet if Hitler did not want to attack England, then why would also intend to invade the Soviet Union? Do you recall the Barbarossa plan which was one year before the war? What was it that Hitler really wanted then? On the surface it appeared that he wanted a Holy Romans Empire, no? But when you look deeper, was it not also a mammoth attack on Middle and Eastern-Europe? Was there not an attempt to paralyze the spiritual growth of these people? At the center we see the workings of infernal dielectrics – similar to what Marx wrote about yet Marx being totally devoted to evil concealed this deep within his work.

If you are lost, then WW2 was simply this: To destroy Middle and Eastern-Europe and prevent the spiritual renewal that was to come. This goal is no different than that of the Crusades – the Crusades had little to do with reclaiming the Holy land from the Muslims and that is why the Khazars and Black Nobility worked toward at every chance to sac and pillages every Christian’s village along the way. Hitler was placed in charge of making this goal happen and this is also why he came to power with such ease. You will recall the fact that Russia suffered a terrible loss of life during WW2. It was planned within the lodges of the Freemasons, whom the Jesuits were in full control over, that the USSR could do nothing to have a first successful strike against Germany. All of a sudden, are we now to accept that Hitler had as great opportunity as possible to win against the USSR but somehow his Barbarossa plan had no preparation at all! Those dear soldiers from Germany literally starved and froze to death! What we saw was the same occurrence on both sides – massive loss of life. Stalin had his troops left with no maps whatsoever!

Hitler and Stalin made it all possible for the sacrifice of the greatest number of people as possible and Hitler and Stalin had one unique connection – they were both Masons and both Jesuits. It is pure nonsense to accept the lies of history that Stalin was mobilized to have an attack on Hitler but later on, was somehow able to stall him. Those who look into the spiritual worlds know full well that the truth is far from what they teach now in modern history class. Yet, what less do the majority of the Masons here propagate?

And now today the Jewish people (as we may now refer to them) deserve at all costs to integrate back comfortably into our societies as our closest brothers. It was the Jewish people who paved the way into the INDIVIDUALITY of the soul that was needed before Christ’s coming. Thus the Jews are to receive something back from the world due to the gifts that they offered us long ago. The only way to do so is to support against anti-Jewish hatred but also to denounce Zionism at all costs! For the Jewish person is easily trapped in-between being forced into the hands of Zionism through anti-Jewish attacks and also through supporting the myth that Israel is a land given to the Jews! Hitler knew these deeper meanings. Hitler understood that the only way to prevent the Jews from carrying out their spiritual task was to force them into becoming atheists and also to force them into Israel.

We see permeated throughout the arena of modem day with this false notion of freedom. From the writing of great rebellious men like Nietzsche, to the juvenile ranting of men like Crowley, we hear the cry for “freedom!” This is the nature of it, for the beast in us needs not to be suppressed, as it is a fact that no man can reach the heavens if he has not yet faced the beast within himself ‘666’. Crowley knew this all too well and thus to his followers he was very wise – for to be free enough to know thy self and to still remain the beast would be better than living as a suppressed soul. Since Crowley taught that true evil is to have no will power; no will to decide how to live, how to think, how to call out to the Father then we now are not surprised to hear it all on the news daily, the need for Gay Right, Same Sex Marriage; we see it in the calling out for sharing of arts and music, the list goes on and on. Yes indeed, it appears that we live in times where the ideas of morals are becoming stuck in between a rock and a hard place. The idea of being free to explore the sexual natures of our bodies, the need to indulge in our passions and this call to “freedom” is heard everywhere in society today. Believe it or not, it is not really so much of what Crowley says that is evil but what he does not say.

To those of you who do read his books, do you really think Crowley was foolish enough to reveal everything to you?

How does one prove that Crowley was part of a Conspiracy against Christianity? We simply look into what he teaches about the Church and how everything Christian is contained and summed up as Jesuitism. Crowley so cunningly understood that people will automatically accept this idea since it stands to reason that the church has suppressed the free will. Thus, Crowley attacks not only the followers of Lucifer but he attacks the true spiritual Christians by creating an emporium of dielectric to blind anyone to see clearly that not everything Christian is necessarily contained in the dogmas of the Church. But look at the fruits of his followers today? Take a look at the posters here who always run to the aid of Crowley, as the man most misunderstood!

Dan Brown’s work and the new entertainment including The Lost Tomb of Jesus have many Christians concerned. But I would say to them all, why are you so worried? The sinister intention has nothing to do with proving that Jesus’ had children, or that his bones can be found but rather that he was not CHRIST and thus to bring about anything other than allowing Christians to see that he was Christ the LOGOS! The distraction comes to us in a form that is hidden within the science of materialism. It is the same science that makes followers of Einstein smart enough to understand the theory of relativity but not wise enough to question how it works in REALITY! Einstein’s example of throwing a watch into space at the speed of light and having it return unchanged with the hands in different alignment sounds wonderful to those who have not trained their minds to see through the illusion of materialism. Yes, indeed Einstein was a smart man but what if a student asked him “dear sir, how can a watch that travels at light speed return here unscathed?” Of course Einstein would naturally disregard this as not appropriate for the example, yet this is nothing less than “thinking divorced from Reality”. Just as the Crowleites are being fooled into accepting that Cowley was the messenger of the Great White Brotherhood. The Legend of Unbroken Sword never passed over to Crowley and he knew that but it does not prevent people from buying into it. He stole the name the way the Templar Knights today steal the name, the way the Cathars of today steal he name. Not only does this lead researchers to vast confusion but it insults those who the true adepts.

The Great White Brotherhood is not any blood line it is a connection through advanced souls to the engendering of higher truths. Those scoundrels like Crowley took this name for another sinister purpose to confuse those seekers who came looking for the name of those to place trust in a leader of nations. It was not to say in the least, any concern of Crowley about the opposing forces that were working about to destroy the souls of men. Satanism is simply the followers of the OTO today, and other group that are affiliated with them. Of course there are many that are also not affiliated. These groups within all corners of society today will have you believe that do not worship Satan. They tell us that they worship matter, or even that they are spiritual. I beg you to never fall for this without first digging deeper. Should they find Belial and Asmosday not to be Satanic in nature and call it something other in nature then so be it!

Oh infidels, if you are so blind as to not see the material causes that you bring about these Keys’, the you have no right to claim freedom of will, nor that you know what Satanism is. When you’re little pals go to work on another’s free will, you basterdized everything you have claimed you stand for. FOOLS, for you are blinded by your own passions! You share one thing in common: you serve that force that provides you with an eternal material kingdom. To those who only see the material kingdom and see nothing of the spiritual, you are also doomed to die in this life and then remain behind watching yourself live as the animals of morbid passion you assume YOU ARE.

Satan works in the opposite pole to Lucifer. Both work together. During the Crusades, the true Christians who were hiding within the ranks within the Catholic Church were aligned with men like Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas opposed those Franciscan orders within the Church. These men came about later on as Goethe and were opposed by Sir F. Bacon. However, to make it clear today, when those Christians found deep within Catholicism saw the evil stirring up through the Jesuits, they separated themselves from Catholicism. We saw the emergence of men like Calvin and Luther. They knew that the Jesuits had all but captured the Catholic bureaucracy. What else did we see? The True Templar Knights had already been exterminated but many of them escaped to Scotland and other places. They began the restoration of a form of Christianity that was to lead into Freemasonry. Freemasonry, being Christianized through and through, aligned themselves with the Rosicrucian’s and other sects like the old Cathars (whom the church wiped out) and others such as the Manicheans and the Protestants. But what arose up in forces to oppose the Jesuits was Freemasonry more so than the others. Freemasonry was destined to push forward a type of wisdom (male wisdom) that was to allow Freedom of will. Freedom of will was a must to come about and so through and through, they were the greatest enemies of the Jesuits.

We see in the writing of Blavatsky how the Jesuits had eventually started to gain ground over the Freemasons. And she put it correctly in ISIS Unveiled and Dr. Steiner also, that no greater damage was done to freemasonry that that of the Jesuits. During the time of the Council of Vienna Freemasonry was all but merged into the very bowels of Jesuitism. Freemasonry today is the conquered son of the Vatican. The Vatican controls all sects today. Protestantism is just as Catholic as anything else except for the appearance on the surface.

On this note, we have those members here who claim that they are striving for freedom of will. Cug and Rockpuck and Masonic Light and others. They correctly identify the Jesuits as the true black adepts of the witch trials of yesterday. Sadly, they would wish to place all truth-seekers into that category also. They represent the broken family of today, the wife of the husband who abuses the children but looks the other way! Although they correctly identify the true perpetrators; being those that would force their will over them, ironically they do not see the other pole of the forces that are also moving forward, they fail to see that those natural passions which they so wish to explore are not natural, but of Satan himself. It is these passions that they indentify with as freedom, but the freedom is there to also enslave them into accepting the lie that we are all to submit to the NEW WORLD ORDER. They see it as a wonderful idea. Today the Freemasons (whether they accept this or not) force upon nations immigration in the extreme and this is to loosen the connection to what we call the folk spirit. What are “Folk Spirits? These are those forces that keep a people bound to a land – for the brotherhoods know that in order to subjugate a nations people, you must first intermix and destroy all heritage and also degrade morals. This exact plan was carried out by the Jesuits many times before and we can see this sinister attack on Paraguay over 500 years ago. To force a people from their land they must lose connection to folk Spirit. Thus today the guilt placed on top of Germany that they shall always be remembered as Nazi’s and nothing more. They are trained to be self-haters.

Thus the evils ones are place overtop the Christ, an imposter who will be the new king of the Christians, Jews and all the people of the world.

Originally posted by sweftl337
We must follow our hearts to the best of our own intentions and ability ...

The knowledge of the gnostics.

Trully a difficult thing to get a a hold of, and easy to lose.

Today is a time unlike any other in history where the ability to speak truthfully and to think without being told “what to think” is in serious jeopardy. We live in a time of great confusion and falsehood that threatens to engulf all of humanity.
- Sweft

[edit on 6-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]

Today the Freemasons (whether they accept this or not) force upon nations immigration in the extreme and this is to loosen the connection to what we call the folk spirit. What are “Folk Spirits? These are those forces that keep a people bound to a land – for the brotherhoods know that in order to subjugate a nations people, you must first intermix and destroy all heritage and also degrade morals.

Is this the secret goal of the Masons?

To enforce, uhh... extreme immigration, and subjugate nations by intermarrying with them, erasing their heritage, and weakening their supernatural connection with their folk spirits?

...and we're doing this whether we accept it or not? Does this mean that Freemasons are doing it unwittingly and unknowingly, like supernatural pawns or footsoldiers?

I seem to be a bit behind in the whole intermarrying and erasing of heritages thing. Does it all begin at the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite, or higher? How many degrees do I have to go through in order to start subjugating nations?

Please tell me what your books says, so that I can start preparing and/or acquiring degrees.

Hi Roark,

Freemasonry's task is to move forward the principle of freedom of will. But today this will-freedom is infused with falsehood and thus it turns into suppression of truth. This is why people so often deny that Conspiracies exist – the illusion of Democracy and freedom clouds our judgment to see truth. This freedom of will is strengthened only in order to achieve what is desired - continued permutation of falsehoods. Freedom of will needs to be put into proper perspective, as the early Brothers who built us wonderful artistry that still remains behind as old castles etc did everything in their power to conceal the true originators of the craftsmanship. This is of the most Holy duty that they do not claim charity of any sort. Today we see the opposite where the symbols of charity are placed into everything that is Freemasonry. It takes a keen observation to see these things correctly. It is the difference between freedom of one's actions and the idea of having freedom out of personal willfulness to serve Christ. Freemasonry promotes clichés and ideologies that inspire moral relativism. This is perfectly ok, so long as people understand the differences between moral strength and a resolute will toward freedom, vs. freedom (to simply have it) out of love of comfort and ease, and the indulgences of benevolent Gods.


The Masons used to always oppose the Jesuits who push the suppression of will. Today we see irregular lodges opening up in the name of the Pope, so something is not quite the same as it once was before, you see? To any Masons who lived hundreds of years, ago this is a Cardinal sin.

A Priest at your local Catholic Church knows just as much as a 33rd degree Freemason today, little to nothing and as such most are good-to-do people. To put into perspective, Masonry gets picked on more than the others because it acts as a recruiting ground whereas joining the Catholic Church is less likely to promote from within, as a different structure is set-up at different levels. As you know Roark, the recruiting is not always what people are led to believe and in the irregular lodges, they advertise it.

Freemasonry was from the beginning very Christian and the members understood that Christ is God but it has changed today. In the Roman Church, believe it or not, this idea of Christ being God was challenged more than anywhere else. For example, the Council of Nicaea held in the 320's AD. The Freemasons never started to question this until much later on. The Jesuits are bringing about the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on Earth but this has nothing to do with Christ. Since the merger of Jesuitism and Freemasonry, we have now a serious problem. It is not as if they both shall cancel each other out! On the one hand we have suppression of will by Jesuits and on the other suppression of truth and suppression of morals. During the time of the Crusades where suppression of Will was the key, there were still the underlying morals. People did not go dancing around naked in those days but they also had no freedom to choose. Imagine what is soon to come when we have no morals and also the suppression of free-thought? No more Conspiracy websites is the very least.

So it is not so much something of Freemasonry as it is the times that we are living in influencing humanity to pulling us all into a certain direction.

What the gospels speak is true but what we see more often today in both the church and in Freemasonry is this notion that " we no longer want Christ as a Master because he merely leads us through a normal world." The subconscious moving toward opposition to this normal world is conducted within the ceremonial magic of today. This allows people to understand sub-consciously that the world of Christ does not continue eternally in the physical. A choice is made to continue what we have already acquired in physical life and we attempt to create new conditions of immortality to reflect the materialistic physical world. Satan and Lucifer’s plan is to make use of the Apostate Church and Freemasonry and move this agenda forward

In several posts, it has been mentioned that Stalin was "Jesuit-trained". Since it would seem that much is being made of "Jesuit training" I would like to point out that it would hardly seem possible that Joseph Stalin was, indeed, trained by this particular group of men.

Joseph Stalin did, indeed, attend a religious seminary, the Georgian Seminary at Tiflis. This Seminary was, as the other Georgians were, Greek Orthodox NOT Roman Catholic.

I hope that facts that refute one aspect of your diatribe don't interfere too much with your beliefs. After all, they are only facts.

Well I was going to make a long reply but I think I can sum it up in a nut shell.

You think Crowley was trying to distroy Christianity...

And my answer has to be..........

So what?

It seems like you would be perfectly happy if Christianity destroyed Thelema. Is that not a bit of a double standard?

As far as "always running to the aid of Crowley" That is udder nonsense.. All I do here is post responces to things that are not true. Lord knows there is plenty of true stuff about Crowley that will make the average person turn their nose up at him.

In fact if you wish to point out some things that he really stood for as examples I would back you up.

For example most of the time I don't respond to Tamahu's anti Crowley posts because his complaints are about things that are true. I don't agree with him, but I can respect his views.

In your case, If you wish for Christians not to follow Crowley I think all you need to do is post something like this bit from the Book of the Law.

49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.
50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

Source: The Book of the Law chapter 3:49-55

Do you really need much more than that? I think not.

benevolent tyrant,

I did not go into any detail with facts, but then again being Jesuit-trained is very vague can mean many things, I agree. Cardinal Gregory Agagianian was also trained in Georgia in the Orthodox Church and he was also Catholic, so we cannot go by the titles of old.

Stalin was taught in a theological seminar that was controlled by the Catholic lobby hiden within the Orthodoxy. Jesuits also use Zionist rascism to their advantage. As early on as the rise in Bolshevism, Stalin was seen as a very gifted young Catholic and the plan to move the Conspiracy out of the hands of the Western powers and into the hands of the Jesuits, when Stalin rose to power.

Cug:

Do you not see that the witch trials of yesterday are not over yet? They are about to be reborn with a new vigor that will cease all forms of truth. Those burned at the stake were true Christians (many of them Protestants) and the Satanists were the executioners. Crowley hated the Nazarenes and he only helped the executioners by mashing them all in with the Jesuits. You make it sound as if all he wanted to do was just masturbate and eat his own feces and be left in peace, but if he was truly a man who wanted to simply BE then why does he so cunningly lump all Christians together into one great big category? Did Joshua do something personally to Crowley, or was it the Priest’s in the Church who upset him so? Did Crowley first attack Jesus and Mohammed, or did they attack Crowley?

It will never be the members of the OTO who will be burned at the stake; it will be the followers of the Nazarenes' teachings! I do not hate you but I think you assume that Crowley brought something of freedom to the table that was not already brought about in the correct form by men like Goethe. I do not hate you or Crowley's form of Thelma; I try to avoid the hate thing and I likewise avoid buying into the falsehoods.

Only Christians are allowed to destroy other religions and trample human rights, every one knows that!

However you are actually right on about the "true mission"

I have actually been given orders to travel to Brazil and find me a South American hottie to bring back to the states and mate with. Our offspring will then continue destroying America because they are a different color then every one else. I have also been given orders to stop acting like an American because Masonry is currently trying to destroy America so I have to act like a Canadian to add subtle confusion upon the masses, though my efforts so far have gone unnoticed. How ever I think that the plan is working so far as Americans no longer have the spiritual ties to ... the gods... that they didnt know they followed to begin with..

Anways, already my neighbors have no idea about their historical past nor ancestors because me being a Mason have confused them about their harritage, so one of my neighbors swears she is an eskimo and the other a somolian though both are products of a past interracial marrying conspiracy to weaken their harritage in early day America.. eventually we all (Masons) hope the mass confusion involved within our many conspiracies to mate with colored folk and bring about the destruction of .. history.. that people will implode in upon them selves and .. resort back to their pagan past and burn Christian Churches so that we can give rise to a new .. satanic church because we all full hearily believe that the current Christian churches are evil, but simply not evil enough. Then we will control the world! Because every one will be so damn confused by our evil schemes that they will not know what the hells going on anyways right?

All makes sense!

And Roark just so you know, you have to be a 666 and a half degree in order to take part in the ... events listed above. You must also apply for membership for the purple lodge. (Black lodge is disinfo its actually purple)

There. I spilled the beans on the true Masonic conspiracy.

Yall should know by now, only the Church and the states truly conspire.

Originally posted by sweftl337
Crowley hated the Nazarenes and he only helped the executioners by mashing them all in with the Jesuits.

You know I don't care a bit about the Jesuits What Crowley hated was the hypocrisy he saw in many Christians.

You make it sound as if all he wanted to do was just masturbate and eat his own feces and be left in peace, but if he was truly a man who wanted to simply BE then why does he so cunningly lump all Christians together into one great big category?

1. Who said Crowley wanted to simply BE? I sure didn't, and He sure as hell didn't?

2. Lumping all Christians together? You mean like you did in that other post?

Cug is a Satanist and so are you

So twice in this thread you have demonstrated the hypocrisy Crowley saw in Christians.

3. It was his Girlfriends feces

It will never be the members of the OTO who will be burned at the stake; it will be the followers of the Nazarenes' teachings!

No one will be burned at the stake.

I do not hate you but I think you assume that Crowley brought something of freedom to the table that was not already brought about in the correct form by men like Goethe.

Why do you assume that about me? You have been a member here less than a month.. A month that I haven't really been posting that much. I can't imagine you took the time to read a couple of years worth of my posts.

I do not hate you or Crowley's form of Thelma; I try to avoid the hate thing and I likewise avoid buying into the falsehoods.

Well you try to avoid.. but it seems you have bought into the stuff Leo Zagami is posting. He was not a member of the O.T.O. He was part of a group that that was an offshoot of the O.T.O.A. The O.T.O.A. is a quite diffrent animal from the major O.T.O. players.

Now as things sometimes go in the occult world I have no doubt he was told he was a member of the True O.T.O. but he was lied to. if you can find a copy of Michael Bertiaux's (Founder/head the O.T.O.A.) The Voudon-Gnostic Workbook you will see just how different it is.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Only Christians are allowed to destroy other religions and trample human rights, every one knows that!

Yes, you're right and George Bush is a good example of a Christian also. You see, Crowley was a genius.

Ever wondered about the Illegal immigration problem the American people face today? May be you miss the bigger picture here but on the surface here's what most people (at the very least) who are not retarded, can surmise:

We know it is particularly bad in the Southern States. Corporations do love this, as do the politicians who want more support through a new voting block of Mexican illegal’s (soon to be given amnesty) which will support them in getting voted back into office. Bush's bill to build a wall just happened to be underfunded by billions (by design) and so forget about telling me that Bush wants to stop illegal immigration, he is all for it! Everything they do of course has passed through cost-benefit analysis and so the North American Union which even Lou Dobbs has covered on CNN, would appear to be about money, free trade and consolidation. To those who are really up to speed, they also see this as an attack on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Mexicans are wonderful people but very poor and as such, of course they will take an opportunity to work for a little more money, in some cases a lot more money. The Mexican government is completely a clone of the Neo-Conservatives in the White House. Yet no-one who supports the illegal immigration can ever stop to think about why the Mexicans are poor! This emergence of the new racist movement in Mexico (funded through Freemasonic lodges in the US and Mexico) created Mexican activists who go about promoting the killing of all the whites and blacks over the age of 16 and who are already calling California and Texas, “MEXICO”! Even Jessie Jackson, a Prince Hall Mason, who shows up on behalf of the Mexicans to promote peace and acceptance will not do anything at all in New Orleans for the Black folks. He’s another bought and paid for shill. Many clubs and bars in Texas and California are Spanish speaking only and also will only accept Mexicans. Even banks in Texas are handing out flyers that have only Spanish written on it and no English.

But I suggest for those who are wishing to look deeper into this reason for illegal immigration go back and re-read my post again. The Brotherhoods directing the conspiracy from the top are well aware that forcing illegal immigration onto a nation that is unwilling to accept it will bring about a detachment which has something much more to do than merely mixing up races.

Cug, what exactly is the matter with your mind? You attack Tamahu who is a beacon of light here. Anyone but you and your little gang of thugs can see that.

You know I don't care a bit about the Jesuits What Crowley hated was the hypocrisy he saw in many Christians.

The Hypocrisy like how he could not know the difference between Jesus Christ and the Pope of Rome? Isn't this the very point, or are you attempting some FNORD?

2. Lumping all Christians together? You mean like you did in that other post?

And whatever, whatever, whatever, I say to you infidel! Whatever feces, for God's sake! Perhaps, Crowley found more worms in his girlfriends'. Honestly, I could give two *feces* about which flavor he ate!

Why do you assume that about me? You have been a member here less than a month.. A month that I haven't really been posting that much. I can't imagine you took the time to read a couple of years worth of my posts.

I have not read all your posts. And....you do have only my word to go by so doesn’t assume what you don't know. Let's stay on topic here.

Well you try to avoid.. but it seems you have bought into the stuff Leo Zagami is posting. He was not a member of the O.T.O. He was part of a group that that was an offshoot of the O.T.O.A. The O.T.O.A. is a quite diffrent animal from the major O.T.O. players.

Leo was not only a member of the OTO. He was a Freemason and a Catholic and much more. And you attack his credibility, whereas I give him a chance to speak his mind. I do not see any reason to not trust him and he is very brave person for coming forward. I do not insult him for becoming a Sufi either -not saying that you have. He is a better Christian today than many so-called Christians and if Crowley was referring to so-called Christians in the same manner I just did, I'd go much easier on him.

I am well aware of what forces you serve....be gone with you! Try attacking someone's post by proving copyright infringement, as you normally do why don't you, child of Belial.

Dude, a couple of tips... Not everyone is serving "forces". There aren't demons behind every bush, and Freemasonry certainly isn't responsible for cultural assimilation problems related to immigration on a global scale.

Originally posted by sweftl337
Cug, what exactly is the matter with your mind? You attack Tamahu who is a beacon of light here. Anyone but you and your little gang of thugs can see that.

Attack Tamahu? I have not attacked Tamahu (And I don't think he would say I have, Please Tamahu speak up if I have) Two people having different points of view of a subject (understatement of the year )that is being discussed is not an attack.

The Hypocrisy like how he could not know the difference between Jesus Christ and the Pope of Rome?

Crowley didn't hate Christ... he disliked Christians.. Big difference! In fact the Bible is on Crowley's "Books for serious study" list (Listed under fiction.. to piss off Christians)

And whatever, whatever, whatever, I say to you infidel! Whatever feces, for God's sake! Perhaps, Crowley found more worms in his girlfriends'. Honestly, I could give two *feces* about which flavor he ate!

What about my other points? I'm truly ihnterested in your answer.. You don't what Christians lumped together.. yet you lumped me in with the satanists. do you not see the hypocrisy in that???

I have not read all your posts. And....you do have only my word to go by so doesn’t assume what you don't know. Let's stay on topic here.

Interesting.. you assume something about me.. then told me not to assume something about you.. hypocrisy example 3 in this thread.

Leo was not only a member of the OTO. He was a Freemason and a Catholic and much more. And you attack his credibility, whereas I give him a chance to speak his mind.

How do you explain how his proof is signed by someone who was kicked out of the O.T.O.A.? An VIII paper would have to be signed by Ruess, Crowley, Karl Germer, Hymenaeus Alpha, or Hymenaeus Beta if he was a member of the O.T.O., by Marcelo Motta, or David Bersson if he was a member of the S.O.T.O., and by Kennth Grant if he was a member of the Typhonian O.T.O. but no it was signed by the person the O.T.O.A. is claiming is running a fake O.T.O.A.

It's not my evidence it's his.



I am well aware of what forces you serve....be gone with you! Try attacking someone's post by proving copyright infringement, as you normally do why don't you, child of Belial.


I'm not attacking you.. I'm talking to you. If you have conviction in your ideas I would think you will be able to discuss them.

BTW

Originally posted by Cug
Attack Tamahu? I have not attacked Tamahu (And I don't think he would say I have, Please Tamahu speak up if I have)

No, I don't recall ever being personally "attacked" by you Cug.


As for this thread as a whole, it is more involved than I've time for right now...


Though I do agree with the part sweft is saying about Aleister Crowley.

How A.C. actually did attack True Christianity, while pretending to only attack the profane "Christianity" of the hypocritical fanatics, murderers, inquisitors, etc.




[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu

Originally posted by Roark
Dude, a couple of tips... Not everyone is serving "forces".

Sure they are.

These "forces" that most people serve, are the subconsciousness, unconsciousness, and infraconsciousness.

Only by liberating the Consciousness from these subjective elements by working with the Holy Spirit, will this world cease to exist as such an extremely painful place.

*massive snip*

Who could honestly say that this is not how it is?

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]

OK... fair enough.

Sorry, I was referring to the demon/Belial/reptilian/Masonic overlord kind of "forces", but thanks for... the stuff about the Spheres of Klipoth.

Sweft you are absolutley right about a hidden agenda to destroy christianity. Watch out the thread highjacker masons are now onto every new post you start.. You have some great ideas and they are well thought out. Keep it up.

Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Sweft you are absolutley right about a hidden agenda to destroy christianity. Watch out the thread highjacker masons are now onto every new post you start.. You have some great ideas and they are well thought out. Keep it up.

Thanks for all your support Andy. No matter where we are all now in our journey, it all starts with first hearing that little voice deep inside that says "something is not right here and I must look deeper". The other clouds and muck that remains as confusion will often fall into it's proper place over time..

Peace,
Sweft