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Hoagland ran right past the BODY to get the HEAD!!!

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posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 10:26 PM
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EDIT: This is SOUTHPAW. Setting up a "point of contact" on ATS for the CS program we've got "brewing". Who knows what'll happen. I've got this set up for "release" purposes. Just an easy way to track stuff, w/o getting into "my" stuff. Hope you are able to see this. I went to the experts. THAT is why I'm confident in the "call".


I took this photo to a local fire department. I figured that if I went to men who'd seen burnt bodies with some frequency, then perhaps they'd be able to "adjust" to see what's really laying on the surface of the moon.





RC Hoagland called this the "Turkey" and appeared to be viewing it from "left to right". That was the wrong way to be looking at it. Right to Left would have made more sense to him, if he'd looked more closely.

Those firemen all asked how "that guy got all burned up like that..." and then they asked "Did he have a prosthesis?". They asked this because of the exposed joint at the side of the pelvic area pointing toward the "sky". There are two "prongs" there, as the Firefighters noted... Those same prongs can be viewed on the opposing side, where the leg is still actually attached to the "entity". One can view a "ball" in the center of two IDENTICAL PRONGS. These prongs and ball create a joint not unlike that in YOU or ME.

You can see the head at the opposite end, perhaps the face torn off, and still attached at the extreme right end of the photo (entity 'head'). Also, there is a piece of "hardware" to the "right" of the "entity" that could be a "tool" or a "limb" even. The head, at the right, with shadow underneath it, the neck VISIBLE, the shoulders (entity is laying on its side, both arms are gone, and one leg is gone as well).

The Firefighters said, "That's definitely NOT from 'round here... where is that, Nevada or somethin' like that?" You should have seen the looks on their faces when I told them they'd just positively ID'd a BODY on the MOON taken from a photo acquired by the FINAL Apollo Mission... the LAST shot taken from the surface, as far as I know...

So do ya see it?

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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 04:47 AM
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man, im tryin real hard here.

but i can not see what your talking about in this photo.

rekon you could draw some circles on it and stuff?



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 04:53 AM
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No clue what this is either, bit of background stuff would be nice, looking forward to hearing it!



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:19 AM
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For reference, here are the rest of the pictures from Hoagland's site.

The whole scene:


Here is the above picture named the "turkey".



Here are the pictures of the head, half torn off. This is an AMAZING
picture. The red stripe is there.


Now check out what happens when you lighten the picture. Eyes in the sockets!


This picture is amazing....Is this some sort of android?



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:30 AM
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Seriously though, I just cannot see anything at all of a body!

The head, yeah maybe but it could also be that we see what we want to see, right??

I mean, it's a pretty odd thing to just leave around don't you think....let's say a bit of incriminating evidence that I wonder why an intelligent species that does not want anybody to know about them would leave behind!

Anyway, see what more you can get out of the pics...Peace, Mondo



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by Mondogiwa
Seriously though, I just cannot see anything at all of a body!

The head, yeah maybe but it could also be that we see what we want to see, right??

I mean, it's a pretty odd thing to just leave around don't you think....let's say a bit of incriminating evidence that I wonder why an intelligent species that does not want anybody to know about them would leave behind!

Anyway, see what more you can get out of the pics...Peace, Mondo


I don't see how that can be anything but a head. It's simply missing the lower jaw structure.



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:44 AM
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Brad,

I have no idea?? Yeah, it looks like a head of course, but when you see anything and you put your mind to it, well then there you have it!

Take clouds for example..ever notice that when you look at a cloud you can pretty much see whatever is on your mind but others cannot right away?? You point it out, and to you it's obvious, then the other person says, "Oh yeah, now I see it."
Well, could be the same thing here BUT AGAIN, I have no idea. I just think that the human mind can be led very very easily is all.

However, I do admit that it sure looks peculiar to me too. I really don't have to be told that it looks like a head to think that it does in fact look like a head!

Peace, good point by you...Mondo



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:47 AM
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I don't see the body. All I see is the head. Is there a clearer picture that you can show us? Maybe you can outline these features you are talking about.



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 08:08 AM
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Well, it's cute, but it's a FACE. Here's the issue. You have specialized brain centers (unless you are one of the very few that don't) that examine your visual fields for face-like features. Your brain expends quite a bit of volume on it, comparatively.

ANYTHING that could be a face will be evaluated in more detail, and over time, especially in a sort of noisily detailed scene, it will start presenting you with face perceptions. That's why when you're in the woods you may start seeing faces on trees, or on patches of leafy ground, or in clouds. They're not really there, it's your face-recognition system picking out the only things it can find and saying "is this a face, is THIS a face" when it's got nuthin.

Any object that randomly fits a face-like shape pretty closely, just by random chance, will pop out as a 'head' or 'face'. That doesn't mean it is. In fact, you have to discount perceptions of faces and heads and use YOUR head to determine if the "match" you're getting from your face recognizer is real. That's why you see Mars Cydonia faces, and Old Man of the Woods faces and the like, and why people see Mary in peanut butter and Elvis on shop doors. You're geared to see faces and heads where only a vague possibility exists. It's also why people see faces on Mars and not, say, genitalia. Why you see Elvis's face in the oatmeal and not his shoe.

The effect is called pareidolia.



Meet Lenin on the shower curtain.

Here's a bunch of them, by category.

thefolklorist.com...



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 08:15 AM
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Here's a good one. (cue creepy music....)

BABY ALIEN SKULLS!!!



OMG!!

It's SKULLS! And they're skulls of baby greys, right? Maybe crushed out of baby grey eggs that hadn't hatched yet, and and ..what? Nope, they're seed capsules from snap dragons.



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 08:19 AM
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Tom,

I think you got in my head an explained very well what I was trying to in a round about way say as well! You are very clear and concise, thanks and I agree totally with you! Of course there are always exceptions to the rule but I think you have made a great point here!!

Peace, Mondo



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonSaberACTUAL
EDIT: This is SOUTHPAW. Setting up a "point of contact" on ATS for the CS program we've got "brewing". Who knows what'll happen. I've got this set up for "release" purposes.


A new marketing campaign...



The Firefighters said, "That's definitely NOT from 'round here... where is that, Nevada or somethin' like that?" You should have seen the looks on their faces when I told them they'd just positively ID'd a BODY on the MOON


I would not call that IDing a body but if that's what you want to think.

Another thought: If the man is standing there taking a picture, why wouldn't he picked it up (the skull) and put it in the moon rock box and brought it back to earth?





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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 08:55 AM
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The primary reason androids and robots are commonly depicted in motion picture and novels in a human shape, is so viewers and readers can identify with them and make the necessary emotional attachments. And they're cuter that way.

Working robots, on the other hand, have no need to appear anthropomorphic. In fact, doing so may detract from a particular usefulness. So imagine you're designing a robot for use on the moon, or any other harsh environment. It isn't a huge leap in engineering to discover that two mechanical eyes aren't needed. Our two eyes provide binocular vision, and allows us to judge depth and/or distance. Mechanical vision doesn't need that feature; it can utilize laser for instance in order to determine distance.

There is no point for a robot, used on the moon, to have a head that appears to mimic the human head. Unless of course, you are convinced of the existence of 'protocol 'droids'.

I'm going to wait a bit on the 'burnt body', 'cause odds are someone on this forum is a current or former firefighter, and may have some opinion to offer. Failing that, I'll run the picture past some forensic specialists and get their input. How does a material combust with the extremely low oxygen levels on the moon?



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:03 AM
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Hey Man,

If you could get a pic with more clarity that would be a tremendous help. I agree that its way to fuzzy to see anything. I was turning my computer upside down and sideways and still did not get much out of it... Maybe the head, but (we all see heads?) I think I see more breasts but thats me.

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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:24 AM
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Does this help anyone?




posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:28 AM
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I see rocks, seriously why do these threads keep coming up. If someone provided actual good evidence of stuff on the moon i would be the first to say it, but you are seeing what you want to see. There is a medical term for seeing what you want to see but i can't just remember the name.

Yeah so that's my view, rocks, rocks and oh yes rocks.

EDIT

Sorry i didn't see Tom Bedlams post above, i must have scrolled past it sorry.

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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I see rocks, seriously why do these threads keep coming up. If someone provided actual good evidence of stuff on the moon i would be the first to say it, but you are seeing what you want to see. There is a medical term for seeing what you want to see but i can't just remember the name.

Yeah so that's my view, rocks, rocks and oh yes rocks.

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Sorry i didn't see Tom Bedlams post above, i must have scrolled past it sorry.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by ImaginaryReality1984]


Sorry but that looks like a head. Period. And the thing that looks like a body has two "U" shaped prongs on each side of it. That is NOT what rocks look like.

How does this not look like a head with eye sockets? Since when does a rock have a red metallic stripe on the bottom?


Secondly, why wouldn't a race of people who are humanoid design something that looks like them. All the robots we design look like us. What's the difference?


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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:38 AM
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I'm going to have to say that it "appears" to be rocks to me as well. Although I cannot confirm or deny this as I have never been to the moon



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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These are brand new as I have not seen them before. They have nice detail and do certainly (in my opinion) resemble the remains of a deceased and unique body. Good pictures -- thanks for the post. I hope more information comes forward about these.



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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What is the red metallic stripe on the bottom of this "rock"?

I'm skeptical as well, but I cannot explain this at all.



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