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Yahweh is a DEMON

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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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His [Yahweh's] promises last for eternity.

-WiseSheep



Yahweh's lie # 1 :


39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it [Babylon] shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
[Jeremiah, chapter 50)

Yahweh promises that Babylon "shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation." The land of Babylon, in actuality, has since been inhabited constantly, even to this very day.



Lie # 2 :


4 Yet hear the word of the LORD, O Zedekiah king of Judah; Thus saith the LORD of thee, Thou shalt not die by the sword:
5 But thou shalt die in peace: and with the burnings of thy fathers, the former kings which were before thee, so shall they burn odours for thee; and they will lament thee, saying, Ah lord! for I have pronounced the word, saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah, chapter 34)

10 And the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes: he slew also all the princes of Judah in Riblah.
11 Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains, and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.
(Jeremiah, Chapter 52)

Yahweh promises Zedekiah that he will die in peace. Subsequently, he is tortured, chained, and rots in prison until he dies.



Clearly, Yahweh's promises do not "last for eternity." Not only is he a murderer, torturer, commander of theives, infant killer, sadist, and all around demon, he is also a liar.


"All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes."
- Thomas Paine



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[edit on 3/7/2007 by DerekOneSeven17]




posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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Satan's lie # 1: He tried to convince others that YHWH is a demon.

Satan's lie # 2: he calls God a liar and murder.

Satan's lie # 3:He tried to convince others that he does not exist.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Clearly, Yahweh's promises do not "last for eternity." Not only is he a murderer, torturer, commander of theives, infant killer, sadist, and all around demon, he is also a liar.


Read it in context for crying out loud. If you are gonna attempt to show that the only truth that exists is a lie. You got to do a whole lot better than that.

Either you are copying information from someone who's blinder than a bat, or you got a demon playing you like a fiddle.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 06:21 PM
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Let's start with some Capital Punishment Crimes by JHWH:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, ne



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
The rest of JHWH 'beautifull' works you can finde here:
www.evilbible.com...



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Yahweh promises that Babylon "shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation." The land of Babylon, in actuality, has since been inhabited constantly, even to this very day.


If one tells you they are going to do something and you are residing within the time frame before they actually have planned to carry it out. They are not a liar.



Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Yahweh promises Zedekiah that he will die in peace. Subsequently, he is tortured, chained, and rots in prison until he dies.


Yep as I said before, read it in context.


Jeremiah 34:8-11
8This is the word that came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people which were at Jerusalem, to proclaim liberty unto them;

9That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother.

10Now when all the princes, and all the people, which had entered into the covenant, heard that every one should let his manservant, and every one his maidservant, go free, that none should serve themselves of them any more, then they obeyed, and let them go.

11But afterward they turned, and caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free, to return, and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids.



Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
"All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes."
- Thomas Paine


Boy he had it all figured out didn't he? How many beings did he create in his image? Where was he before the foundation of the earth?



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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You're not quoting anything that's from Jesus but after or before him. Nice try though.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:21 PM
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Read it in context for crying out loud. If you are gonna attempt to show that the only truth that exists is a lie...

Either you are copying information from someone who's blinder than a bat, or you got a demon playing you like a fiddle.

If one tells you they are going to do something and you are residing within the time frame before they actually have planned to carry it out. They are not a liar.

-WiseSheep



Here is a contextual reference to Yahweh's promise that Babylon will, for ever, be uninhabited. Before he promises this, as you can read below, he commands his followers to kill all the Babylonians and their bulls and horses, and says that he will burn the entire city and it's inhabitants. There appears to be no reference that he plans to make Babylon uninhabited thousands of years after the commanded extermination. It appears that he is promising this as the aftermath of their nation's destruction.


50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.
50:25 The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans.
50:26 Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left.
50:27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! for their day is come, the time of their visitation.
50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple.
50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.
50:30 Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD.
50:31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee.
50:32 And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him.
50:33 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go.
50:34 Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his name: he shall throughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the land, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon.
50:35 A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith the LORD, and upon the inhabitants of Babylon, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men.
50:36 A sword is upon the liars; and they shall dote: a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be dismayed.
50:37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed.
50:38 A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.
50:39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.
50:40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
(Jeremiah, Chapter 50)


It appears it is you who needs to "read in context," and "open our eyes" to reality. It is you who is CLEARLY worshipping a demon.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:32 PM
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Your quotation of Jeremiah, chapter 34, has nothing to do with Yahweh's promise to Zedekiah.

The exerpt that you quoted (you can read it again below) is actually about how Yahweh commanded his followers to free their slaves and servants. The followers of Yahweh then re-enslaved their former servants.


8This is the word that came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people which were at Jerusalem, to proclaim liberty unto them;
9That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother.
10Now when all the princes, and all the people, which had entered into the covenant, heard that every one should let his manservant, and every one his maidservant, go free, that none should serve themselves of them any more, then they obeyed, and let them go.
11But afterward they turned, and caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free, to return, and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids.



That has nothing do with what i presented which was Yahweh's promise...

4 Yet hear the word of the LORD, O Zedekiah king of Judah; Thus saith the LORD of thee, Thou shalt not die by the sword:
5 But thou shalt die in peace: and with the burnings of thy fathers, the former kings which were before thee, so shall they burn odours for thee; and they will lament thee, saying, Ah lord! for I have pronounced the word, saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah, chapter 34)


Or the breaking of that promise by Yahweh...

10 And the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes: he slew also all the princes of Judah in Riblah.
11 Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains, and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.
(Jeremiah, Chapter 52)



As i said before, Yahweh is a liar.

As i said before, It appears it is you who needs to "read in context," and "open our eyes" to reality.

You are CLEARLY worshipping an immoral, murderous, lieing, demon.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Your quotation of Jeremiah, chapter 34, has nothing to do with Yahweh's promise to Zedekiah.



Sure it does. The word came after and as a result of the covenant being made.

This stuff you're spouting is comparable to a man trying to convince the world that the sky is green and the grass is blue. Of course If he's color blind and can't tell blue from green, or truth from lie. Well, no sense in arguing.

Ask the one you are blindly accusing for just a little more patience and possibly some sight, and you'll be on the right track. Or closer anyway.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:18 PM
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Here's a question for you WiseSheep - what if I have honestly and genuinely asked God to guide me to the truth and he hasn't guided me to Christianity?



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 02:17 AM
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This stuff you're spouting is comparable to a man trying to convince the world that the sky is green and the grass is blue.

-Wisesheep


You are obviously delusional if you believe that. I hope i am not the only one who sees this.

If anyone is actually interested in the Truth they can read my posts and make a judgement themselves.



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 03:09 AM
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So we may have been decieved or lied to, nothing new about it. But it sure explains alot about the things that are happening on Earth and the way humankind is acting.

Blame the devil? I guess the good God may not be in control after all, maybe God let humankind suffer under the devil so that humankind will learn, have we?

Is humankind getting better, more enlightened or is humankind going downhill, who is to blame? Humankind's rotten heart, or the fact that humankind is ignorant, believeing in their own righteousness. Is being even more religious the cure?

I am not saying the the devil does not exist or that dark corrupt beings may be influenceing our actions, but we have let our ignorance control us for too long.

I know that some religions see non-believers and each other religion as false or going down the wrong path. This view is unlikly to change anytime soon. An endless debate and conflict that will last as long as humankind survives.

Is it so wrong to therefore concentrate less on the worshipping of any deity and more on the moral and spiritual development of humankind and society on a deeper level.

Are moral virtues less desirable than the worship and obedience to one's deity? Is it possible that we may have been deceived by those who want to take advantage of us?



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by TheStev
Here's a question for you WiseSheep - what if I have honestly and genuinely asked God to guide me to the truth and he hasn't guided me to Christianity?


I'd like to answer as well. If you have, then you've made a great step in the right direction. Remember though God works according to His timeframe and not ours, so I would not expect a lightning bolt to strike at your feet with a voice saying "Here I am, come". It could happen, but wasn't the case for me or anyone I know. I'd recommend keeping up that communication, and should you want to receive the free gift of eternal life, please U2U me for details. I'll do my best to help. Over to you WiseSheep.

I admire WiseSheep's patience with those who make statements instead of asking questions. Those who like to slam the table instead of sitting down to talk. I may have had that kind of patience in the past, but don't believe in shouting matches these days. He'd broken ice I did not touch. Keep up the great work saint:


You have voted WiseSheep for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


[edit on 8-3-2007 by saint4God]



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by TheStev
Here's a question for you WiseSheep - what if I have honestly and genuinely asked God to guide me to the truth and he hasn't guided me to Christianity?


He's left us truth. He's given all of us the brain and ability to find it.

If you were in a remote place with no access to anyone let alone his book, then he just might decide to show you something. We are at his mercy, he's not at ours.


Your question is like a man standing in a free supermarket asking one next to him, what if he asked GOD to guide him to get a bite to eat and he hasn't guided him to any food.



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by WiseSheep
Your question is like a man standing in a free supermarket asking one next to him, what if he asked GOD to guide him to get a bite to eat and he hasn't guided him to any food.


So true, WiseSheep! God will not do for people what He has made them capable of doing for themselves. Some people don't want to use the two hands God gave them.



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
You're not quoting anything that's from Jesus but after or before him. Nice try though.


That's the whole point!!
Yahweh,Jehovah, whatever you want to call him is the god of the Old Testament

[edit on 8-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
You're not quoting anything that's from Jesus but after or before him. Nice try though.


There's nothing before or after him.



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by TheStev
Here's a question for you WiseSheep - what if I have honestly and genuinely asked God to guide me to the truth and he hasn't guided me to Christianity?


Steve, God, at least in my experience, has more than one way to show people the truth. I wish that I could relay everything that God has shown me,but I cannot. I assure you though, if I could, you would think one of two things:

(1) You would either label me a complete "nut."

(2) You would label me a "heretic" that would have been burned at the stake 200 years ago.

So, I generally keep the full range of my beliefs to myself and let others believe as they wish and laugh to myself... Maybe that is not very Godlike.... but it certainly is self preserving.

[edit on 8-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Steve, God, at least in my experience, has more than one way to show people the truth. I wish that I could relay everything that God has shown me,but I cannot. I assure you though, if I could, you would think one of two things:


satan has many ways to twist lies, because they are continually edited on the fly.



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