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Interview With An Alien

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posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by SkyWay
Probably the reason the dim light was focused on the alien's head is so that it can be more clearly visible in the video. That's just logical. If you make a video of someone or something you focus on it and center it in the video. Besides, it is clear from the video that the light was not very bright by the dim quality of the video, so it was probably soft enough not to bother the alien.

Of course, if the light had not been focused on the alien's head, the debunkers would have been screaming that it was more evidence that the video is a hoax.


[edit on 6-3-2007 by SkyWay]


Just because I don't believe the video to be real does not make me a debunker (not that you said that I am, but you imply it seemingly to mean that if people don't believe in this film - they are debunkers).

Perhaps the video is a hoax - perhaps not. I don't believe it for a multitude of reasons, especially because "Victor" acquired an amount of money he can "comfortably retire with." I don't care if he wanted money because he was scared, because it was high risk to leak it, or even a protection method to insure his safety. It's CRAP.

I know how the government works, and even IF "Victor" wore a disguise, and had his voice changed, and went through all this trouble to 'sneak' this video out to the public - they would STILL know exactly who he is.

Victor, his friends and his family - plus some acquaintances would be dead if something this important was real, and their information would have been erased as if they never existed - no trace.

What about the money trail? Victor reportedly got enough money to 'retire' with from this video - did he get it in cash ? Does he stuff it under his bed? I bet he got a check and put it in the bank... Thats one question that needs to be asked of the studio that gave him the money.

If people knew anything about covert ops in the USA (which I am sure many readers have had experience with), you know exactly what I am talking about when I say this would have never gotten out - Victor and his entire life, people he knew would be only remembered by a speck of time without any record of existence. Sound to conspiratorial? perhaps it does, but many reading this know its the truth... can I prove it? Yeah, but I don't want to.

If you want proof, find someone in the military you know - who has dealt with the CIA - stuff like that... put your own friends at risk


VICTOR WOULD BE DEAD.

Now, the people coming forward claiming to have worked for black projects and alien crafts - I would tend to believe more, because they don't have any proof and can not prove anything that the government can easily deny.




posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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That was a waste of over an hour to be honest.

The Alien isn't real, the way he moves the quick snapping reaction, the light and so on and so fourth all make it much easier to fake.

Take the lighting for example: So bright light hurts the aliens? So they can simply switch the filter on the camera to increase the level of light internally without harming the Alien any. So on and so fourth. If anyone bothered they could rip this to shreds.



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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The way I see it any video of aliens or ufos, regardless of quality, must be debunked, ridiculed and labeled a hoax. During at least a year of viewing and participating on threads on this board, never, have I seen any skeptics been swayed into at least giving the evidence a 50-50 chance of authenticity. To the contrary, I have seen many believers acknowledge fakes openly when not convinced! I myself who is a believer, have labeled several videos as suspect or at least misindentifed. However, most of the hardcore skeptics have proven themselves incapable of this.
If anyone thinks I am lying, search the names and you will see the same people always denying! Actually, this is no mystery but I won't get into accusations! I prefer our honest members form their own judgements!

In respect to this particular video let me present some famous quotes from celebrites and known officials who have viewed the video:




Whitley Streiber says... = I hadn't realized until I saw this how familiar it would be"

" If this is fake, it's really good "

" It's very difficult to watch this... because somebody who made this knows something about the way they move. "

" I hope to God it's a fake. Because if it's not, I'm so ashamed for mankind. "

Whitley Streiber is a best Selling Author ( Communion & recently released "The Grays" )
Quoted during Strange Universe radio show, after being shown the footage for the first time.




Art Bell said this... " In the first half hour, I sensed that... I wasn't satisfied with the quality of answers being given... "

"As the interview progressed, and Viktor to some degree began to relax, I began to get a different sense... and that was he was telling the truth.

I think Viktor was scared. I think Viktor really is scared.... and so my judgment of the interview after about the first half hour, is that we began to get some real information.

It was a significant milestone in broadcasting. "
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Art Bell is a syndicated Radio Host for the world's most popular late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM. Quoted just after finishing a radio interview discussion with Viktor.




Rick Baker says... -I just don't buy it. I would be willing to stake my reputation on the line on the fact that this is a hoax. "
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Rick Backer is an Academy Award winning hollywood make-up artist who has worked on countless monsters in movies, including the aliens in Men in Black.




Robert Dean... + " This is powerful. Because this is not a staged event, this is real.
I don't know how the hell you got this, and I don't know who the hell you got this from, and frankly I don't want to know who you got it from."

The level of classification on this kind of a thing is so far damned above top secret, that you can't even imagine how sensitive this is. And how tightly the government sits on anything like this. "

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Robert Dean served as an Army Intelligence Analyst at NATO Headquarters in Europe.
Retired from the Army, he is now a highly regarded UFO Researcher & Analyst.



Ok enough of the quoting nonsense.
I have unbiastly provided both pro and con reviews to show the diversity of views!

Can I prove this real? The answer is no because I don't have access to classified information! Can the skeptics prove it is a hoax? Absolutely Not! Picking a few perceived flaws here and a few there proves absolutely didley!!!

Only real classified information can prove anything but since no one is allowed to access and divulge anything we can sit here hours and hours debating the same stuff over and over till we turn yellow! It is pointless!

The only reason I argue with skeptics is because they are falsely and arrogantly trying to prove all the videos and pictures as hoax with silly/nonsensical arguements while believers such as myself are usually more flexible. In fact, I would say the odds of this being legit are about 50-50!



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 03:39 PM
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It really pisses me off that people would hoax such videos. The video was very interresting and it made me certainly wonder, however utlimatly I'm fairly confident it's fake.

Mainly because this "Victor" character wanted money for this, I mean come on, if you're in any way interrested letting the truth out, you won't go and ruin your credibility by asking for money.

Secondly, it strikes me as very convinient that the lighting in the tape is so dark and conceals most of the Alien body. Then there's the convenient excuse that these aliens are sensetive to light. Why would they be so sensetive to light? Especially when it has such big eyes you'd expect the creature to be used to light.

Third, the fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax.

I'd love to believe aliens were here, but I just don't see it.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by VladTheImpaler]



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by VladTheImpaler
It really pisses me off that people would hoax such videos. The video was very interresting and it made me certainly wonder, however utlimatly I'm fairly confident it's fake.

Mainly because this "Victor" character wanted money for this, I mean come on, if you're in any way interrested letting the truth out, you won't go and ruin your credibility by asking for money.

Secondly, it strikes me as very convinient that the lighting in the tape is so dark and conceals most of the Alien body. Then there's the convenient excuse that these aliens are sensetive to light. Why would they be so sensetive to light? Especially when it has such big eyes you'd expect the creature to be used to light.

Third, the fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax.

I'd love to believe aliens were here, but I just don't see it.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by VladTheImpaler]


Here we go again with the money issue!
Are you really that poor that you can't afford to buy it? Second, do you know anyone from any profession that works for free? You have to understand that ufology, although perhaps a pseudo-science, is just another occupation and people have to make a living! Any reasonable person should not base credibility on this. It is extremely hypocritical!

Second, I think you got your gray theory wrong. Gray eyes are allegedly very good but also extremely sensitive to light therefore dark rooms are much preferable! I am not making things up; this is common knowledge among paranormal researchers! I guess in some ways greys are identical to owls and other nocturnal earth species with respect to light sensitivity.

Third, you said "fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax." Sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever! If your gonna make excuses to call this a hoax at least try harder and make them a bit more convincable!



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWay
How in the world could you take the comment to refer to skeptics if you read it in the context in which it was posted? I present the original context following


Because skeptics and hoaxers sometimes get lobbed into the same category. In that regard I didn't those comments clearly. I'll show more due diligence when someone uses the word 'hoax' next time


Although how you mistook me for being in the hoax camp when I clearly made several remarks that distinguished me from that train of thought is beyond me.


Originally posted by SkyWay
In that context the meaning should be clear to anyone.


Just like your bias in only criticising people who exclaim "hoax!" and not additionially criticising people who say "it's real!" without proof either. You still haven't acknowledged this and I'll let you slowly sink into that murky sand pit for as long as you please.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 05:37 AM
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I tried to compare the silhouette of VICTOR (in the alien interview film) to BOB LAZAR's face:

I found 3 similarities:

1. Victor: big glasses // Bob Lazar: big glasses, same type of
2. Victor: rather long than round face,head, // Bob Lazar: same shape of face
3. Victor: Hair full, parting, not curly, Bob Lazar: same (similar) hair style, parting


(4. Voice ? Victor: altered voice, difficult to compare to Bob Lazar's voice.)

Maybe it can be proven/disproven whether Bob Lazar is Victor by analysing Victor's voice. If it turns out to be that Victor is indeed Bob Lazar, it wouldn't prove the alien interview a fake, but as Bob Lazar is allegedly debunked (by S. Friedman) it wouldn't cast a positive light on that stuff

Photo of Bob Lazar: www.ufo.com.br...

Part of interview with Victor: www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda

Originally posted by VladTheImpaler
It really pisses me off that people would hoax such videos. The video was very interresting and it made me certainly wonder, however utlimatly I'm fairly confident it's fake.

Mainly because this "Victor" character wanted money for this, I mean come on, if you're in any way interrested letting the truth out, you won't go and ruin your credibility by asking for money.

Secondly, it strikes me as very convinient that the lighting in the tape is so dark and conceals most of the Alien body. Then there's the convenient excuse that these aliens are sensetive to light. Why would they be so sensetive to light? Especially when it has such big eyes you'd expect the creature to be used to light.

Third, the fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax.

I'd love to believe aliens were here, but I just don't see it.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by VladTheImpaler]


Here we go again with the money issue!
Are you really that poor that you can't afford to buy it? Second, do you know anyone from any profession that works for free? You have to understand that ufology, although perhaps a pseudo-science, is just another occupation and people have to make a living! Any reasonable person should not base credibility on this. It is extremely hypocritical!


I’m sorry, whether or not I’m poor has nothing to do with this. I don’t believe ufology such as this should be in any way considered an occupation. It’s just not acceptable to discount this because “they need to make a living too”. Sure they need to make a living too, but when people are being paid for such sensitive and doubtful material this makes me question their motive. Money always creates distrust to me, in any matter.


Originally posted by SocialistAgendaSecond, I think you got your gray theory wrong. Gray eyes are allegedly very good but also extremely sensitive to light therefore dark rooms are much preferable! I am not making things up; this is common knowledge among paranormal researchers! I guess in some ways greys are identical to owls and other nocturnal earth species with respect to light sensitivity.


Well, I’m just speculating.

Where did this information come from that these aliens are so sensitive to light? I don’t care what “paranormal researchers” say or think is common knowledge. How did they find out this fact? Did someone just make it up and then it was accepted as fact? It just seems like a VERY convenient coincident as this enables any film makers to shoot their hoax videos in dark lighting conditions concealing the entity. This fact makes it more probable than not that it is a hoax.

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Third, you said "fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax." Sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever! If your gonna make excuses to call this a hoax at least try harder and make them a bit more convincable!


Yes, this makes total sense to me. Society and popular culture has over the years formed and shaped our ideas and perception of how an alien would look like. It makes perfect sense to hoax such a video and have the alien look the way we expect it to look like, so that within a split second of watching the video the human minds tells us “that is an alien! Woowza!” If the alien looked like something utterly unfamiliar and strange I doubt that it would get the same attention and focus.

I’m not making excuses, I’d love for this not to be a hoax, I just think probability says it is. But by all means, if there is additional evidence out there, I’d be happy to take a look.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Here we go again with the money issue!
Are you really that poor that you can't afford to buy it? Second, do you know anyone from any profession that works for free? You have to understand that ufology, although perhaps a pseudo-science, is just another occupation and people have to make a living! Any reasonable person should not base credibility on this. It is extremely hypocritical!


You have to remember that there have been and still are UFO hoaxers out there who pray on people's willingless to believe - in order to make a quick buck. There's nothing wrong in making money from being involved in UFOlogy if what you do is authentic and not deceptive to the audience that you deal with so to speak. I don't think people have an issue with individuals making money as there's nothing wrong with that. As you said even doctors and nurses get paid. Just as long as they are not misleading or deceiving anyone and taking advantage of people's interest. When large sums of money are involved, such as from book sales or speaking at an event then of course you have to be mindful that some people may take that opportunity to be selfish and make a lot of money. Greed can swallow anyone that's why it's important to filter the genuine UFOlogists from the fake ones.


Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Second, I think you got your gray theory wrong. Gray eyes are allegedly very good but also extremely sensitive to light therefore dark rooms are much preferable! I am not making things up; this is common knowledge among paranormal researchers! I guess in some ways greys are identical to owls and other nocturnal earth species with respect to light sensitivity.


I'm assuming people have made the assumption that Greys do not like much light since their eyes are black and bulbous, hence designed to take in as much light as possible. I suppose looking at animals like owls and comparing them it would be a fair assumption. Although of course it would be good to have an actual Grey in which you could study for real. Although I'm sure you're open to the possibility that this can be used as a convenient excuse to have minimal lighting; in which you could hide such details as animatronics and puppets.


Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Third, you said "fact that this alien looks like how we'd expect it to look like makes it even more likely it's a hoax." Sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever! If your gonna make excuses to call this a hoax at least try harder and make them a bit more convincable!


I've frankly seen more 'convincing' aliens on film which of course I know are fake so the video alone is not enough to convince me it is real. Since puppets/animatronics/prosthetic suits allows for lifelike movements; especially a suit!

[edit on 7/3/07 by Flyboy211]



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 01:13 PM
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I believe it's an alien!



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:05 PM
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I'm still trying to find out whether this "VICTOR" is Bob Lazar or not . It would be worthwhile to make some voice analysis by linguistic experts.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 04:42 PM
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Would not the guy who did the interview know if it was Bob Lazar or not? If it was Bob Lazar, that would totally destroy the credibility of the movie. Heh.



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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Hahahahaa...Just gotta love the hypocrisy in this forum. Some people with little or no knowledge about aliens and ufos are claiming to know more than the researchers. Also, since they are selling videos they are non credible. HAAHAHA

Let me give you a few hints on "credibility" my "honest" friend. Credibility is based on perception and so are facts. Nothing can be absolutely proven if other people do not want to agree with your fact and it will remain an opinion forever and ever! If I say it is night, while in reality it is day, and 99% of the people are stupid enough to believe me then it becomes a fact and I become credible.

As you will eventually find out in your life credibility and reality can be miles apart! Unfortunately this the case with ufology as once honorable scientists with masters and Ph.D's can attest to what happened after they left the mainstream world! But don't take my word for it, rather prove it to yourself by doing research!



posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda

Here we go again with the money issue!
Are you really that poor that you can't afford to buy it? Second, do you know anyone from any profession that works for free? You have to understand that ufology, although perhaps a pseudo-science, is just another occupation and people have to make a living! Any reasonable person should not base credibility on this. It is extremely hypocritical!


Dude, your darn tootin right its about the money issue. No one said anyone was poor and couldn't afford the video - your missing the point.

Lets just say your Victor - In the best interests of humanity, you ripped off this tape to show the world... you smuggled it out of Area 51 and now you have to edit the audio to protect your friends.
So in the best interests of humanity - the greatest thing historically that YOU alone can prove - you sell this video to some no name studio, and request enough money to retire on.

BTW, I am a researcher and I don't make a dime off anything I do. Most people start this as a hobby - they have regular jobs as I do. Only the greedy make it a profession (well the greedy that come out with 'uber' videos and make tons of money because aliens 'sell')

If the greatest historical occurrence in the history of humanity is being stonewalled - its most likely because of people like Victor and others that I will not mention in this thread are causing it to happen because no one knows what to believe or who to believe.

A parallel to this - big oil companies... keep them addicted to the oil...
Ufologists writing wacky stories and pulling aliens out of their butts that can't be confirmed: Keep them addicted to those UFOs and Aliens.



Second, I think you got your gray theory wrong. Gray eyes are allegedly very good but also extremely sensitive to light therefore dark rooms are much preferable! I am not making things up; this is common knowledge among paranormal researchers! I guess in some ways greys are identical to owls and other nocturnal earth species with respect to light sensitivity.


Which would contradict the Sarpa report... and their anatomy in general - but alas...
See; this is what is happening, mass contradictions - no researcher knows where to start - they don't know what to believe or what not to believe... in all truth - it stinks! I believe there might be aliens on earth yes - do I believe info has been leaked - yes... what info? I have NO clue... either does anyone else but the persons who leaked it.

Its people who make money off of UFOs and Aliens that maintain the cover up and hide the truth... it is they who are the disinformationalist monsters.

I mean, fine your abducted - write a book; whatever I have no problem with that. You write a book about the history of UFOs fine, a book about what aliens look like - FINE - you write a book about what you experienced FINE...
But if your coming out and breaking information to the public that could change history - and you want money for it? well, you need to be slapped up side the head. Not only that - there would be no need to hide if you went public to the media straight away. They wouldn't be able to kill you if the whole world new what you looked like. After that - then make your money, you would deserve it...
till then - sorry, its a hoax for money.
(having a bit of a nic fit - sorry if I am being too harsh)



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 12:38 AM
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How is/was this video for sale when it is freely available for download on the internet


Here is the link:alienvideo.net.... This link will take you to the site's main page where you will have to search for it. Don't worry, it's easily findable. If you don't find it do a google search and find an alternative download site!

I was not reffering to this video being for sale in my previous post but was genericaly trying to make a point about charging money and credibility. Another poster was the one that claimed this video was for sale!

As far as I understand, a movie based on this footage was made and that is what was for sale! Please don't distort the facts!

I am not a ufology researcher(at least not officially) but I do like to research this topic whenever I can. I have found a lot of information about ufos and aliens and I also have to say some researchers are more believable than others, however, this does not discredit ufology but rather makes it even stronger! Ask yourself why would disinformation agents bother introducing soo much noise if their was no signal to distort


Ufologists and the rest of the people should understand this and not get fooled! Believing every photo/video is legit is foolish. Believing that all are fakes is just pure moronism! Yes examine and judge but don't expect the government to openly acknowledge anything before you start believing! This is were most people fall in the trap. They think that since Mr. Bush(or any president) ignores the topic then its probably a bunch of stoned looneys with weird "visions". Nothing could be further from the truth!

I will take a look at the sarpa report and comment on it at a later date. Thanks for mentioning the inconsistencies but the majority of paranormal researchers seem to conclude that the greys do indeed have powerful large eyes that are sensitive to light!

[edit on 8-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
How is/was this video for sale when it is freely available for download on the internet


Here is the link:alienvideo.net.... This link will take you to the site's main page where you will have to search for it. Don't worry, it's easily findable. If you don't find it do a google search and find an alternative download site!

I was not reffering to this video being for sale in my previous post but was genericaly trying to make a point about charging money and credibility. Another poster was the one that claimed this video was for sale!

As far as I understand, a movie based on this footage was made and that is what was for sale! Please don't distort the facts!

I am not a ufology researcher(at least not officially) but I do like to research this topic whenever I can. I have found a lot of information about ufos and aliens and I also have to say some researchers are more believable than others, however, this does not discredit ufology but rather makes it even stronger! Ask yourself why would disinformation agents bother introducing soo much noise if their was no signal to distort


Ufologists and the rest of the people should understand this and not get fooled! Believing every photo/video is legit is foolish. Believing that all are fakes is just pure moronism! Yes examine and judge but don't expect the government to openly acknowledge anything before you start believing! This is were most people fall in the trap. They think that since Mr. Bush(or any president) ignores the topic then its probably a bunch of stoned looneys with weird "visions". Nothing could be further from the truth!

I will take a look at the sarpa report and comment on it at a later date. Thanks for mentioning the inconsistencies but the majority of paranormal researchers seem to conclude that the greys do indeed have powerful large eyes that are sensitive to light!


Wait, you’re telling me I need to believe to get the government to acknowledge the existence of ET’s? I’m sorry, that sounds like a religion, just like Christians need to believe in Jesus Christ in order to ascend to heaven. I’m not going to believe in anything without sufficient evidence.

My default position is that all photos and video’s are hoaxes until proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. So please note that I don’t believe all photos are fake (i.e. belief->faith), I just don’t acknowledge them as real until this has been sufficiently proven!

You’re saying that the majority of paranormal researchers seem to conclude that the greys eyes are indeed sensitive to light. Does it not interest you how they came to this conclusion? Did they study a grey or are they just pulling this crap out of their ass? I’m not interested what the majority says about anything.



posted on Mar, 8 2007 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Hahahahaa...Just gotta love the hypocrisy in this forum. Some people with little or no knowledge about aliens and ufos are claiming to know more than the researchers. Also, since they are selling videos they are non credible. HAAHAHA


I'd like you to find statements where people have stated/implied that. It's not a question that if someone makes money they're not credible; just that it leaves the possibility they're in it for profit and not a genuine interest in UFO's & E.T.

Also in regards to you saying "some people with little or no knowledge about aliens and ufos are claiming to know more than the researchers"; if indeed it is true what another poster said about contradicting information from different parties then I'm not surprised. We've never seen a real Grey to study for instance, so who can say the information that is 'publicly' available on them is true/false?


Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Let me give you a few hints on "credibility" my "honest" friend. Credibility is based on perception and so are facts. Nothing can be absolutely proven if other people do not want to agree with your fact and it will remain an opinion forever and ever! If I say it is night, while in reality it is day, and 99% of the people are stupid enough to believe me then it becomes a fact and I become credible.


First I'll show you the dictionary definition of 'credible :-


cred·i·ble
–adjective
1. capable of being believed; believable: a credible statement.
2. worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness.


Whilst that may fit in with what you said about being 'believed'; a lot of skeptics find it hard to 'believe' certain individuals are credible since a lot of their claims are not backed up by irrefutable and definitive proof. IMO individuals who may lack credibility are ones such as 'Victor' and Stephen Greer. Especially the latter who whilst should be applauded on their venture for disclosure; claim to have hard evidence yet will only release on certain conditions. For that people such as myself take their claims with a pinch of salt, and no witness testimonies are not proof no matter whether they're given by military, scientific or technical (i.e engineers) personnel.

However someone who has more 'credibility' such as 'Phillip J. Corso has records that prove he worked where he claimed to; therefore adding 'credence' to where he said he was at particular times and telling the truth. However a lot of doubts have been poured on his claims and I still believe it's an open case.

Here's a definition of fact :-


fact
–noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.


To say "Nothing can be absolutely proven if other people do not want to agree with your fact" is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever come across. I can prove that human blood is red by cutting someone, I can prove gravity by throwing something in the air, I can prove the grass is green by looking outside etc. That statement borders on moronic and smacks of someone who may use that ethos when encountered with facts/information that are adverse to their own personal views.


Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
As you will eventually find out in your life credibility and reality can be miles apart! Unfortunately this the case with ufology as once honorable scientists with masters and Ph.D's can attest to what happened after they left the mainstream world! But don't take my word for it, rather prove it to yourself by doing research!


Well a scientist or more accurately a physicist (nuclear physicist at that) such as Stanton T. Friedman strikes me as someone credible as he does not swallow up what people say and does check their backgrounds, researches and makes his own conclusions. If people are going to make claims I'd like to see the reasoning and rationale behind it. If they claim to have evidence I'd like to see that evidence to evaluate and examine it for myself.

[edit on 8/3/07 by Flyboy211]



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by VladTheImpaler
Wait, you’re telling me I need to believe to get the government to acknowledge the existence of ET’s? I’m sorry, that sounds like a religion, just like Christians need to believe in Jesus Christ in order to ascend to heaven. I’m not going to believe in anything without sufficient evidence.


Do you specialize in distorting statements? I said don't wait for the government to openly acknowledge ufos/aliens before you start believing in them! That goes for everyone not just you!


My default position is that all photos and video’s are hoaxes until proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. So please note that I don’t believe all photos are fake (i.e. belief->faith), I just don’t acknowledge them as real until this has been sufficiently proven!


LOL!!! Thats like saying I don't believe in God unless I actually see him! Do you fail to see how ridiculis your statements are
Last time i googled ufos I got 50,000+ images; surely at least some of them must be real!!! Go ahead and show me which you think are real! I challenge you!


You’re saying that the majority of paranormal researchers seem to conclude that the greys eyes are indeed sensitive to light. Does it not interest you how they came to this conclusion? Did they study a grey or are they just pulling this crap out of their ass? I’m not interested what the majority says about anything.


Yes it does interest me how they arrived at these conclusions but I also trust what the majority of the ufologists say and not the disinformation agents which you apparently trust. It would be reasonable to assume that some people have actually contacted greys and other species and where able to study them to some degree!



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Flyboy211
Also in regards to you saying "some people with little or no knowledge about aliens and ufos are claiming to know more than the researchers"; if indeed it is true what another poster said about contradicting information from different parties then I'm not surprised. We've never seen a real Grey to study for instance, so who can say the information that is 'publicly' available on them is true/false?


Yes there is some contradicting "evidence" thanks to our "beloved" disinformation agents that specialize in BS! How do you know that some people and some researchers have not contacted greys and have not studied them? Are you pulling this statement out of your arse?



[First I'll show you the dictionary definition of 'credible :-


cred·i·ble
–adjective
1. capable of being believed; believable: a credible statement.
2. worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness.


Whilst that may fit in with what you said about being 'believed'; a lot of skeptics find it hard to 'believe' certain individuals are credible since a lot of their claims are not backed up by irrefutable and definitive proof. IMO individuals who may lack credibility are ones such as 'Victor' and Stephen Greer. Especially the latter who whilst should be applauded on their venture for disclosure; claim to have hard evidence yet will only release on certain conditions. For that people such as myself take their claims with a pinch of salt, and no witness testimonies are not proof no matter whether they're given by military, scientific or technical (i.e engineers) personnel.


Oh! So you don't really believe anyone do you.. not even the Disclosure Project! Thanks for showing your true colors in relation to ufo disclosure! How long has Dr. Greer been waiting to present his testimony and evidence in Congress and why does he constantly get stonewalled? If your gonna blame someone why not blame the culprit instead of the victim
And then you say the most ignorant statement I have ever and I mean EVER heard; witness testimony does not constitute proof! Are you out of your mind? This person has hours and hours of testimony when in reality people have gone to death row with only a few witnesses!!
I SMELL DOUBLE STANDARDS AND IT ABSOLUTELY STINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


[To say "Nothing can be absolutely proven if other people do not want to agree with your fact" is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever come across. I can prove that human blood is red by cutting someone, I can prove gravity by throwing something in the air, I can prove the grass is green by looking outside etc. That statement borders on moronic and smacks of someone who may use that ethos when encountered with facts/information that are adverse to their own personal views.


You missed my point! Yes we all know the grass is green, gravity exists, etc.... What you fail to understand is that facts are not always based on reality...in other words the possibility always exists where people can get brainwashed in believing anything! What are facts today can be BS tomorrow when another scientists develops a better theory. Science is not static it evolves!



Well a scientist or more accurately a physicist (nuclear physicist at that) such as Stanton T. Friedman strikes me as someone credible as he does not swallow up what people say and does check their backgrounds, researches and makes his own conclusions. If people are going to make claims I'd like to see the reasoning and rationale behind it. If they claim to have evidence I'd like to see that evidence to evaluate and examine it for myself.


I believe Mr. Friedman was fed disinformation from Mr.Doty. Mr. Doty was an AFOSI disinformation agent. If you are really sincere about ufology I strongly suggest being more selective with your sources!



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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Once again... what started as a civil discussion of an interesting video was reduced to arguments over sentence structure and choice of words.

The believers AND skeptics both need to grow up and learn to accept that the other side has it's own beliefs. Sure, debate the issue, but if the person doesn't agree with you don't try to pick their sentences apart to find hidden motives or agendas...

What a waste of time coming to this thread...



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