Interview With An Alien

Originally posted by knicks4life
this infamous alien video is definetly a fake without a doubt. Why has it been everywhere online for YEARS if real?

That's your logic?! That's your reason for calling the video a fake?! Your thinking is a bit lacking in cohesion.

Originally posted by SkyWay
That strict scientific method should be applied equally in both directions to decide if it is a hoax or genuine. You don't do that though. You make the claim that the video is a hoax without the kind of evidence to prove your claim that you demand from those that do not claim the video is a hoax. Don't you think you're being a little hypocritical?

Not at all. If someone makes a claim that runs contradictory to what is currently accepted by the majority of the scientific community which, ideally anyway, is based upon the most recent evidence, the burden of proof is up to them. A simple - and I mean simple - video doesn't meet even the most liberal standards of evidence to the contrary.

So we disagree. I say the video is a hoax. Not even an elaborate one.

My own evidence to that fact is that there is not one alien life form in the public domain. It doesn't mean they don't exist, just that there is simply nothing to prove their existance.

Yet I believe. Weird, huh?

Originally posted by SkyWay

Originally posted by knicks4life
this infamous alien video is definetly a fake without a doubt. Why has it been everywhere online for YEARS if real?

That's your logic?! That's your reason for calling the video a fake?! Your thinking is a bit lacking in cohesion.

well, I for one do not think the government what let this be shown if real.

[edit on 5-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]

Originally posted by SkyWay
Please provide proof that I believe. Where did I say that I believe? That is a perfect example of unsubstantiated claims by some of you people who claim to be skeptics. You have neither evidence nor rationale for the claim.

Well you didn't categorically state "I firmly believe.." but the fact that you've only attacked the sceptics/hoax crowd for being closed minded; yet haven't done that for the believers indicates a possible bias and makes it out as if you're a believer. A true skeptic would scrutinise both sides.

Surely if someone is going to say that the alien in the video is a genuine E.T, then it falls into your definition of 'unsubstantiated claim'. My evidence is in your posts, my rationale I've already explained.

Originally posted by befoiled
So we disagree. I say the video is a hoax. Not even an elaborate one.

Yes, you say it is a hoax. A positive claim. Yet you fail to prove it. The maker of the video says it is real. A positive claim as valid as yours because you have no proof of your claim any more than he does of his claim.

All you have are suspicions. That is merely your own subjective unscientific reaction.

See, it is one thing to demand that another person prove their claim, and completely different to claim that it is a hoax. To ask another for proof of his claim is inquiry. It is not a conclusion. But to claim something to be a hoax goes beyond inquiring into a claim made by another and is a contrary claim made by yourself. You are not being skeptical. You are being merely contrarian.

Originally posted by SkyWay
That strict scientific method should be applied equally in both directions to decide if it is a hoax or genuine. You don't do that though. You make the claim that the video is a hoax without the kind of evidence to prove your claim that you demand from those that do not claim the video is a hoax. Don't you think you're being a little hypocritical?

If someone makes an extraordinary claim that an E.T is real, they have to prove and corroborate that with evidence. One reason why people think it's fake is that two make up artists; one being Rick Baker who's very experienced said he can and has done better. His film record should speak for itself. It's also not beyond the realm of plausibility that the E.T could be nothing more than an animatronic/human puppet or even someone in a suit. It's much more improbable that it's an alien. With the right expertise you could recreate/emulate that video with prosthetics/puppets. Let's see it for real

Originally posted by Flyboy211
Well you didn't categorically state "I firmly believe.." but the fact that you've only attacked the sceptics/hoax crowd for being closed minded;

I didn't attack anyone. I am merely asking you who claim the video is a hoax to provide proof instead of just bellowing HOAX because others do so.

Originally posted by Flyboy211
With the right expertise you could recreate/emulate that video with prosthetics/puppets. Let's see it for real

Then why hasn't it been done by now? There's been plenty of time. All you guys ever do is make empty claims and boasts. You have absolutely nothing to show. Nothing to support your claims. Just some lame comparisons like "well it LOOKS like a puppet..."

Originally posted by SkyWay
I didn't attack anyone. I am merely asking you who claim the video is a hoax to provide proof instead of just bellowing HOAX because others do so.

Where did I state it was a hoax? Proof please (if you were referring to me personally)

I've already said that the people who are very skeptical or believe it is a hoax have given their reasons. One strong argument is that special effects namely puppetry and prosthetics are more than able of replicating the creature; even appearing more 'authentic'. Look at films and various sci-fi shows to see for yourself. It's doesn't need to be 'proven' if it's already been done on television lol.

Surely if you're going to ask individuals who fall into the hoax camp to show proof you should also be asking the 'believers' to do so too. Especially since the latter is a more outlandish claim.

Originally posted by kroms33
And, just from making the photo lighter - how exactly have you come to this conclusion?

I see no difference, and I have looked at the video numerous times - to me, the creature is very suspect. In all regards, this 'creature' could just be a puppet.

Believe me, I am a firm believer in UFOs and EBEs - its just videos like this, which monetary gain was substantial - make the UFO field of research look non-credible.

Monetary gain for UFO pictures/video has to stop... it makes Ufologists look like money grubbing kooks.

I agree . What a dumb documentary. So false. That ET looks helpless. It's the people and doctors in the video that give it away. The puppet is a damn good one though.

Originally posted by SkyWay
Then why hasn't it been done by now? There's been plenty of time. All you guys ever do is make empty claims and boasts. You have absolutely nothing to show. Nothing to support your claims. Just some lame comparisons like "well it LOOKS like a puppet..."

Things a little dense on Jupiter?

There's no need to re-create the video because we've seen aliens who look almost identical/similar in films/television.

If you want me to choose a film, then check out :-

Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County

FYI the creatures do not have the same skin colour but have grey skin and look very similar. You would not be able to distinguish if they had the same skin pigment.

Originally posted by SkyWay
See, it is one thing to demand that another person prove their claim, and completely different to claim that it is a hoax. To ask another for proof of his claim is inquiry. It is not a conclusion. But to claim something to be a hoax goes beyond inquiring into a claim made by another and is a contrary claim made by yourself. You are not being skeptical. You are being merely contrarian.

Failure to back up a specific claim, as is the case of those who produced and marketed this particular video, warrants the designation 'hoax' because of the sheer number of hoaxes that preceeded it.

In the meantime feel free to prove otherwise. Until that happens, the evidence supports my stance. You have nothing but another bad video. I have the unsubstantiated claim of an mysterious individual who sold this for profit.

Originally posted by Flyboy211
Where did I state it was a hoax? Proof please

(if you were referring to me personally)

Here's your proof. Which is more than you were able to provide when I asked you for proof.

It's the wolf-pack instinct. One wolf starts howling and that sets off the others howling too.

No it's because we question and don't simply accept things at face value without it being proven beyond reasonable doubt.

In the above post you included yourself with those who claim the video is a hoax when you wrote "we."

I like this video but it does not make it a real.
here is a link to the reverse speech about victor and this video it is interesting and I thought people should check it out
Area51 Victor interviews alien
I would have liked this one more if it was longer and uncut, if you are going to leak a video leak the whole damn thing please.
does anyone know about the reverse speech and if it is legit?

Originally posted by befoiled
Failure to back up a specific claim, as is the case of those who produced and marketed this particular video, warrants the designation 'hoax'

You just described what you have done. Are YOU a hoaxer?! I am shocked!!

Well I for one cannot say that my "opinion" is absolutely right but i'd love to see someone duplicate the behavior of that things eye and around the eyes!!! If such a puppet has been used, can someone point me to a clip somewhere showing that same behavior?

Originally posted by SkyWay
Here's your proof. Which is more than you were able to provide when I asked you for proof.

One little statement of many I made. In which I was referring to skeptics as a whole and did not use the term 'hoax'

Here's something I said which you've clearly missed and should have acknowledged :-

Originally posted by Flyboy211
I'm sure it's no mean feat to get the appropriate puppet actions but the fact it's more than possible means it's likely to be fake. There's much more of a chance for it to be fake than actually proper footage of a genuine ET.

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Rather than asking me to "prove it isn't biological" perhaps you should prove to me it is biological. Since you're the one making the extraordinary claim. Puppets can be made to move and react almost lifelike. I can't prove either way as I had nothing to do with the video's inception. I can only go on what common sense tells me. Minimal lighting and no verification it is real, plus two film special effects guys said in the film it could be faked with the right expertise.

You also missed the meaning of the following statement :-

Originally posted by Flyboy211
No it's because we question and don't simply accept things at face value without it being proven beyond reasonable doubt.

I'll re-iterate I require absolutely irrefutable proof for me to believe that E.T is real since I've frankly seen better in works of fiction.

Originally posted by Flyboy211
In the above post you included yourself with those who claim the video is a hoax when you wrote "we."

If you looked at my other statements you'd realise that I said it was likely fake and not an out and out 'hoax'.

Why are you so harsh against the hoax camp and not the believer camp unless of course you are partisan, i.e biased. Something you have not yet denied.

Originally posted by SkyWay
You just described what you have done.

Are YOU a hoaxer?! I am shocked!!

I am pretty sure I didn't make this poor quality video nor sell it for profit. I just pointed out its many flaws and - due to its sad lack of evidence - its failure to convince anyone capable of rational thought of the authenticity.

Feel free to believe it is real, however.

Originally posted by Flyboy211

There's no need to re-create the video because we've seen aliens who look almost identical/similar in films/television.

Awww please!! I've seen plenty of scifi movies with all kinds of special effects and none compare with the alien in the "interview" video. Anyway, as I said, you people are always making silly claims that you can duplicate what you see in videos but you never do. All talk with nothing to back it up!