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S-4 Question: What does the "S" stand for?

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posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 04:15 PM
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We have our cars parked in the same garage.

It's only logical, after studying 9/11 and all the other false flag terrorism performed throughout the world, that the hawks in US policy will feel the need to extend this tactic to space.

I have long wondered where that need to lie and deceive comes from. I mean: space defense is the future which ever way you look at it. False flag terror is really unnecessary to achieve that goal.

The extremists are mainly concerned, I guess, that this militarization wouldn't be exclusively American. Ultranationalism, as an inflation of ultra-individualism, is the root psychology for this.

Furthermore, many in the American political elite see humanity as an unpredictable lot, the world as an fundamentally unfriendly planet, and space as an exclusively dangerous place. Partly this is explainable by the American situation, in which competition between people outranks fraternity, races collide instead of coexist, and democracy is a sham. There is just no trust in 'the other' (xenos in Greek).

Fear is the main, albeit outdated drug to guarantee international compliance with those American symptoms.




posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Thodeph


Fear is the main, albeit outdated drug to guarantee international compliance with those American symptoms.


I disagree.

But, how does your view tie into the "S" for S-4 ?

Lex



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 05:20 PM
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I was replying to IronDogg. Please make an effort to at least read the latest three posts in a thread.

I'll summarize: according to William Cooper, the code name for S-4 was 'The Dark Side of the Moon'. Now wouldn't that be an ideal outpost for a so-called extraterrestrial attack?



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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I did read the posts.
Twice.

The post that I questioned still has me baffled.

Maybe I'm just too shallow, or you're being too complex to explain a
simple thought.

Lex



posted on Mar, 18 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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Thodeph,

I have to agree with Lex on this one! I think you put your last two posts on the wrong thread. After Rereading both of them several times and reading the follow-up's posted by both you and Lex, I can't see how your posts are in any way Relevent to the topic of this thread.

The goals of this thread are twofold:

1. Establish what the "S" in S-4 means.
2. Establish what or where S-4 is.

I honestly can't understand how either of you last two posts help with any of the above. If I missed something tell me, otherwise I'll have to agree that you are Way off topic!

Reguards,

Tim



posted on Mar, 18 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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It was just an attempt to psychologically explain the need to stage false flag terrorism as an imperialistic tactic. A tactic that will be extended into space sooner rather than later.

No disrespect intended.



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 05:50 AM
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S4, aka Sector 4 at Pappoose Lake, is probably the main spaceport(and ufo reverse engineering facility) in North America for ufos going to the "dark side of the moon", mars, venus, and perhaps other planets in our solar system and beyond!

Many whistleblowers have collaborated on this information over the decades as well as the extensive/massive underground facilities at Groom Lake, Dulce, Los Alamos, 4 corners base, Edwards AFB, etc!

If there is nothing to hide then why are there so many underground facilities in the USA


Phil Schneider said that there are over a hundred of them in the USA alone and he said that over a decade ago before his death. One can only imagine an increase since then!

I don't necessarily buy into the "false flag operations" but I do think there is some extra-terrestial mining activity going on and/or perhaps even an alternative-3 plot being tried out!

[edit on 20-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
S4, aka Sector 4 at Pappoose Lake, is probably the main spaceport(and ufo reverse engineering facility) in North America for ufos going to the "dark side of the moon", mars, venus, and perhaps other planets in our solar system and beyond!

Only for your personal, and obviously non-standard, definition of "probably"
.


Many whistleblowers have collaborated on this information over the decades as well as the extensive/massive underground facilities at Groom Lake, Dulce, Los Alamos, 4 corners base, Edwards AFB, etc!

And all this "collaboration" has resulted in an astonishingly small amount of solid evidence. Or even tangible evidence. In fact, the word "zero" comes to mind when thinking about it.


If there is nothing to hide then why are there so many underground facilities in the USA


Phil Schneider said that there are over a hundred of them in the USA alone and he said that over a decade ago before his death. One can only imagine an increase since then!

Maybe it would be simpler if you conspiracy fans listed those areas, where there are no underground bases.

Of course, looking at this absurdity, someone with a working "Occam's Razor" might actually conclude that all those "bases" simply don't exist. Especially when taking into account the evidence, as mentioned above.

And by the way: You talk about giant underground bases. I assume that there are lots of machinery and many living beings, some (
) of them humans. Well, all this produces tremendous amounts of heat, which has to be vented to the surface somehow, otherwise the whole thing would soon overheat. Because of this, such an underground base would have a very visible IR signature on the surface (either a uniform "glow" or dedicated hot spots at vents), no matter how well it is hidden to the human eye. This signature could be easily detected, yet no-one has done so. Also, you can't explain it away. It is effectively a direct consequence of the Second Law of Thermodnamics, arguably one of the best confirmed and most basic scientific findings ever. So, can you come up with a plausible(*) explanation for the lack of IR output by your alleged bases?

(*) I don't mean "The aliens do it by magic" or equivalent non-explanations.


Regards
yf



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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IMO the S stands for SSHHHHHHHHHH,just another example of the arrogance of the secret projects.



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by yfxxx

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
S4, aka Sector 4 at Pappoose Lake, is probably the main spaceport(and ufo reverse engineering facility) in North America for ufos going to the "dark side of the moon", mars, venus, and perhaps other planets in our solar system and beyond!

Only for your personal, and obviously non-standard, definition of "probably"
.


Many whistleblowers have collaborated on this information over the decades as well as the extensive/massive underground facilities at Groom Lake, Dulce, Los Alamos, 4 corners base, Edwards AFB, etc!

And all this "collaboration" has resulted in an astonishingly small amount of solid evidence. Or even tangible evidence. In fact, the word "zero" comes to mind when thinking about it.


If there is nothing to hide then why are there so many underground facilities in the USA


Phil Schneider said that there are over a hundred of them in the USA alone and he said that over a decade ago before his death. One can only imagine an increase since then!

Maybe it would be simpler if you conspiracy fans listed those areas, where there are no underground bases.

Of course, looking at this absurdity, someone with a working "Occam's Razor" might actually conclude that all those "bases" simply don't exist. Especially when taking into account the evidence, as mentioned above.

And by the way: You talk about giant underground bases. I assume that there are lots of machinery and many living beings, some (
) of them humans. Well, all this produces tremendous amounts of heat, which has to be vented to the surface somehow, otherwise the whole thing would soon overheat. Because of this, such an underground base would have a very visible IR signature on the surface (either a uniform "glow" or dedicated hot spots at vents), no matter how well it is hidden to the human eye. This signature could be easily detected, yet no-one has done so. Also, you can't explain it away. It is effectively a direct consequence of the Second Law of Thermodnamics, arguably one of the best confirmed and most basic scientific findings ever. So, can you come up with a plausible(*) explanation for the lack of IR output by your alleged bases?

(*) I don't mean "The aliens do it by magic" or equivalent non-explanations.


Regards
yf


If you bothered to do some research into this matter either online or onsite [full sarcasm]perhaps[/full sarcasm] you would find some evidence to support my theories! Except that would be too much work for you and would go against your mainstream beliefs so once again you choose belittlement and insults!

For your information, there is no way to get a heat signature hundreds of feet below the surface of the earth(or inside a mountain) and the vents you speak about would be cleverly hidden somewhere!

No regards,
SocialistAgenda



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
If you bothered to do some research into this matter either online or onsite [full sarcasm]perhaps[/full sarcasm] you would find some evidence to support my theories! Except that would be too much work for you and would go against your mainstream beliefs so once again you choose belittlement and insults!


SocialistAgenda,

Well, I've been doing research in this field since 1992 (15 Years in case you were planning to ask). Now the Problem is that beyond John Lear, I can't find a thing that supports any of your claimes.

May I ask where you are finding YOUR Evidence?

For Once Humor me and SKIP the Cheap SARCASM!


Tim

NOTE: One man's story, supported by a guy claiming he saw a UFO in the night sky isn't Proof of Anything.



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost01

Well, I've been doing research in this field since 1992 (15 Years in case you were planning to ask). Now the Problem is that beyond John Lear, I can't find a thing that supports any of your claimes.


I read somewhere in one of your posts that youre 25 years old. You started your research at age 10?



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost01

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
If you bothered to do some research into this matter either online or onsite [full sarcasm]perhaps[/full sarcasm] you would find some evidence to support my theories! Except that would be too much work for you and would go against your mainstream beliefs so once again you choose belittlement and insults!


SocialistAgenda,

Well, I've been doing research in this field since 1992 (15 Years in case you were planning to ask). Now the Problem is that beyond John Lear, I can't find a thing that supports any of your claimes.

May I ask where you are finding YOUR Evidence?

For Once Humor me and SKIP the Cheap SARCASM!


Tim

NOTE: One man's story, supported by a guy claiming he saw a UFO in the night sky isn't Proof of Anything.


How much evidence do you need and from how many sources do you want it?

[No sarcasm]Here are a few sources since you bothered asking:[/No sarcasm]
Phil Schneider, John Lear, Bob Lazar, Dan Burisch, George Knapp, Bill Hamilton, Jason Bishop, Thomas Castello, Dr. John F. Gille, Edmound Gomez, Gabe Valdez, Paul Bennewitz, Branton, Val Valerian, Art Bell, David Serada, etc.etc.etc!!!

And here is a small list of sites with great material!


  1. www.fortunecity.com...
  2. www.subversiveelement.com...
  3. www.ufoevidence.org...
  4. www.enterprisemission.com...
  5. www.startinglinks.net...
  6. www.angelfire.com...


Trust me in that I could go on and on with names and sites but we will you bother looking at anything? Why some people like to make fools of themselves is beyond me!




posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
If you bothered to do some research into this matter either online or onsite [full sarcasm]perhaps[/full sarcasm] you would find some evidence to support my theories!

Why should I provide you with evidence for your theories? How about yourself? I haven't seen any evidence from you - only numerous tall tales, and even more hyperlinks to same, which don't provide any evidence either.

I can't prove a negative, especially if the subject is a "perfectly hidden underground base". Anybody, who walks right across the aera of the alleged base and finds absolutely nothing, is only told "I said so. It's hidden!!". It's a basic feature of every civilized discussion that he who makes the extraordinary claim has to provide the evidence for that claim! And such evidence doesn't include simply more unproven stories repeating the same claim. Just gathering as much people as possible with the same claims as yours is not "research"! The truth is not decided by a majority vote. And all this is especially true, if there are basic plausibility problems with the claim in the first place. The problem of how to dump excess heat and waste unnoticed is a real one, and I suspect you haven't even the slightest idea that it is a problem (see below), let alone how to explain it away.


Except that would be too much work for you and would go against your mainstream beliefs so once again you choose belittlement and insults!

So? Sue me.


For your information, there is no way to get a heat signature hundreds of feet below the surface of the earth(or inside a mountain) and the vents you speak about would be cleverly hidden somewhere!

"Cleverly hidden"!

Hey, they're called "vents" because they are venting something! Maybe (and likely) excess heat, but possibly also gaseous waste. You can hide vents as cleverly as you like, whatever is vented will not stay hidden. Also, "hundreds of feet" below the surface, it's getting warm. And it's getting hotter for every meter you dig further down. That means, very deep underground bases will need even more heat ventilation!

And anyway, just in case you denied that the underground bases have any vents at all, you'd plainly contradict many of your fellow "underground base" fans who clearly say there are vents.


No regards,


Thought so. I noticed that I'm your "foe" now. Thanks for the honour.


Regards
yf



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 03:11 PM
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I don't believe there is any secret base in the vicinity of Papoose Lake because there is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim.

For the sake of examining all sides of the issue, I checked out the links provided above by SocialistAgenda. They failed to provide any compelling evidence to sway my opinion and were, in general, quite laughable. None made me laugh harder than an article I found on the Enterprise Mission site:

www.enterprisemission.com...

As someone who knows more about "Tom Corbett: Space Cadet" than most people on the planet, I can be especially critical. This sort of thing doesn't exactly help the site's credibility.



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 03:34 PM
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This is getting better every day
!

If these people ...


Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
[No sarcasm]Here are a few sources since you bothered asking:[/No sarcasm]
Phil Schneider, John Lear, Bob Lazar, Dan Burisch, George Knapp, Bill Hamilton, Jason Bishop, Thomas Castello, Dr. John F. Gille, Edmound Gomez, Gabe Valdez, Paul Bennewitz, Branton, Val Valerian, Art Bell, David Serada, etc.etc.etc!!!


... are your best and most reliable sources, and these ...




  1. www.fortunecity.com...
  2. www.subversiveelement.com...
  3. www.ufoevidence.org...
  4. www.enterprisemission.com...
  5. www.startinglinks.net...
  6. www.angelfire.com...


.. your best references, then you are an example for "gullibility" the same way as a black hole is an example for "gravity"!


Trust me in that I could go on and on with names and sites ...

Oh, I'm sure you can!


... but we will you bother looking at anything?

I did look. Really. It was an almost surreal experience
.


Why some people like to make fools of themselves is beyond me!

Funny. I thought exactly the same when looking at the sites you listed.

I mean (to name just a few claims championed by one or more of the site), Hoagland&Mars ... Crop Circles! ... von Däniken/Sitchin!!! Gimme a **** break!


A typical case is the "dulce" site (#2 in your list). Pages of blah-blah and not a single piece of evidence whatsoever. Not one photograph! Not one original document! Only tall tales. And you think that I am an idiot if I don't believe all this at face value?! Reminds me about what Einstein said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe".

Regards
yf



posted on Mar, 22 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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From the above list, I only consider Phil Schneider and Bob Lazar genuine whistleblowers (others are disinformers or related to the government).

The Lazar testimony is crucial for the existence of S-4. It's browsable in full detail on the mirror page in my below sig.



posted on Mar, 23 2007 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
[No sarcasm]Here are a few sources since you bothered asking:[/No sarcasm]
Phil Schneider, John Lear, Bob Lazar, Dan Burisch, George Knapp, Bill Hamilton, Jason Bishop, Thomas Castello, Dr. John F. Gille, Edmound Gomez, Gabe Valdez, Paul Bennewitz, Branton, Val Valerian, Art Bell, David Serada, etc.etc.etc!!!

And here is a small list of sites with great material!


  1. www.fortunecity.com...
  2. www.subversiveelement.com...
  3. www.ufoevidence.org...
  4. www.enterprisemission.com...
  5. www.startinglinks.net...
  6. www.angelfire.com...


Trust me in that I could go on and on with names and sites but we will you bother looking at anything? Why some people like to make fools of themselves is beyond me!



You actually find this stuff Credible?


I can't believe I'm reading this! Well, I have to give you credit for taking time to go and look.

In all fairness, can I ask what "standard" you use to decide if something is creditable? After reading through you list of links, I can't stop laughing!


Case in point:
fortunecity.com
angelfire.com

These two are Public webhosts. That means you dug up someone's private home page. For all we know, these pages might belong to a 5th grader who studies UFO's as a hobby. Didn't you realized that when you saw the web address?

No Offense, but you do realize that Not everything on the internet is True?

Tim



posted on Mar, 24 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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Ghost01, Yfffxx

I guess if I gave you morons a list of a hundred or more sites they would all be non-credible!

Since both of you have proven to be completely biased there is no point for me to provide any more links! Keep being ignorant for all I care!



posted on Mar, 24 2007 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowhawk
I don't believe there is any secret base in the vicinity of Papoose Lake because there is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim.

For the sake of examining all sides of the issue, I checked out the links provided above by SocialistAgenda. They failed to provide any compelling evidence to sway my opinion and were, in general, quite laughable. None made me laugh harder than an article I found on the Enterprise Mission site:

www.enterprisemission.com...

As someone who knows more about "Tom Corbett: Space Cadet" than most people on the planet, I can be especially critical. This sort of thing doesn't exactly help the site's credibility.


Really! I am neither amused nor shocked to hear such an ignorant response! One or two of the links I provided has over a hundred links by itself! Humour me by really looking at these and forming an educated opinion instead of jumping on the "I don't believe this BS bandwagon"!

I am not saying everything should be taken at face value but when someone says everything(several hundred sites) is nothing but BS then you have surely proven yourself BIASED TO SAY THE LEAST!!!!

Have a nice day.


[sarcasm]Oh, by the way, I would also recommend the Bob Lazar mirror site but don't waste your time there either since its all BS! [/sarcasm]



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